Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

[biglen]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Ben's got a better career YPA, but he can't match up to most stats those 2 put up. Some of that is by choice, as the Steelers do not run up scores for the most part, (they choose to run games out and close down the passing game with a lead), and they abide by the Rooney's wishes to always try the run game, even if it fails over and over again.

Brady and Manning would not have the numbers they do now if they played with the Steelers, but i don't hear that too often. Pittsburgh wouldn't all of a sudden go to a 70-30 pass vs run split because Tom or Peyton came to town. It's not the Steeler way.

That's why i put more stock into overall performances within the team system and current circumstances over just plain numbers.

You just contradicted yourself with that statement. You say Pitt chooses to run games out and close down the pass. If they weren't successful at running the ball, wouldn't they let teams back in the game and maybe have more losses? You need a successful running game to close out games and they do it very well. Trust me, I'm an Eagles fan, and I see what it's like to try and pass to close out a game because Andy Reid is so *** **** thick headed.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

We need a limit on qb comparison threads per week.

Oh wait til after the Super Bowl because you know it's coming.

"Is Aaron Rodgers/Ben Roethlisberger the best QB in the league?"

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

There are 5 QB's I'd take before Big Ben.

Manning
Brady
Brees
Rivers
Rodgers

This /thread

[kingkilla56]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Oh wait til after the Super Bowl because you know it's coming.

"Is Aaron Rodgers/Ben Roethlisberger the best QB in the league?"

It hasnt started yet? You mean Ive been boycotting ESPN this week for nothing?

[tripwire]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

I love threads like this.

Pick the guy from my favorite team or you're wrong!!!!

There isn't a wrong answer among the 3 options. I'd feel comfortable with any of them.

+1

Exactly what I'm saying. Take one of the 6 QBs I listed before, and be happy if he's on your team.

[tripwire]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

You just contradicted yourself with that statement. You say Pitt chooses to run games out and close down the pass. If they weren't successful at running the ball, wouldn't they let teams back in the game and maybe have more losses? You need a successful running game to close out games and they do it very well. Trust me, I'm an Eagles fan, and I see what it's like to try and pass to close out a game because Andy Reid is so *** **** thick headed.

Their turtle ball has failed them the least few years. They've been giving up leads like never before. Check last season for a prime example. They had countless leads, only to lose in the 4th Q time and time again. They've had close games this year that didn't need to be because their run game couldn't close it out. Thing is, that's their philosophy, successful or not, and they won't change with the Rooney's under power.

If their run game was what it used to be, last season would have been a playoff year, and games like the Jets one last week would have been over far before it actually was.

Why do you think they passed it TWICE last week on 3rd downs in key situations? Why would they run 3rd and short most of the time with Ben in the Gun with trips to the left or right? They don't trust their run game in key situations like they used to.

It's not what it once was, and quite frankly, people who DON'T watch ALL their games won't change my mind otherwise.

Leave it at that.

[tripwire]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Oh wait til after the Super Bowl because you know it's coming.

"Is Aaron Rodgers/Ben Roethlisberger the best QB in the league?"

LOL

What odds are you giving over/under on that thread being started?

[HesTheCoach]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

The only area where Ben isn't as good as the other two is reading defenses, and how far behind he is is pretty debatable.

It would be a toss up for me between Ben and Brady. But I have to say RIGHT NOW, I would take Ben over Brady partially based on watching Brady against the Jets in the playoffs and against the Ravens last year in the playoffs. He didn't play very well in either game and was clearly afraid of contact.

I've said it before but I think some people dismiss Ben or put him behind other QB's because he plays the game much differently than most elite QB's in the NFL today. He isn't a pocket passer, he doesn't throw timing routes very often. Some of the plays he makes are ugly.

But the one constant is Ben is clutch and a winner. Definitely more clutch than Manning. Even in Ben's rookie year he was leading 4th quarter comebacks, even though he was supposedly just a "game manager".

[capp34]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Manning and Brady can't make the same plays Big Ben made with his legs in the AFC title game so im gonna roll with Ben for one game.

[Beantown]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

LOL

What odds are you giving over/under on that thread being started?

I'll set the Over/Under at one minute after the game ends, no matter which QB wins.

[lonewolf371]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

It hasnt started yet? You mean Ive been boycotting ESPN this week for nothing?

I've been boycotting it too (or just uninterested in most of what they have to talk about). I can't even believe Ben is in this discussion, not because I disagree but because I didn't think other people were getting so bullish on him.

[NovaStar]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

That has nothing to do with my point. My point is that when you get pressure on him he folds. Obviously they didn't get the same pressure in both games.

Exactly what did Ben do against the Pats this year when they got pressure on him? In the playoff game against the Jets it was not the pressure that was the difference it was the coverage. Brady did not fold no more than Ben does when he faces a good D and loses.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Oh wait til after the Super Bowl because you know it's coming.

"Is Aaron Rodgers/Ben Roethlisberger the best QB in the league?"

Haha prolly a few will pop up between then and Preseason.

A superbowl win for either of these guys won't change my opinion of them a whole lot cause one game doesn't decide a career it just seems lately a SB win just tends to validate a QB more in the media. Best example is Brees, I'm pretty sure most people agreed he was up there before last year but it wasn't until he won a SB that the media realized he was maybe top 3.

[alifeincomplete]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

IMO Brady is the best individual player of the three, and Roethlisberger has played on the best teams most recently.

Excluding the Patriots 2007 season, this is essentially my take on it as well. Big Rapist has played for consistently better teams. It bothers me a little bit that with this win Sunday, he'll get put into elite quarterback territory when he's not an elite quarterback. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are both better quarterbacks in almost every aspect of the game.

[z Revis]

Re: Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

Ben had 100 yards rushing support in 7 of his 14 games, Brady 10 of his 17. You can't skew those facts. Looking at attempts/game and avg rushing just doesn't tell the whole story.

Look and Mendenhall for example, 1273 yards, (7th overall), and a 3.9 avg. Not bad you think, but when you look deeper you'll see it wasn't a good season at all. The run game was inconsistent and average all season, and has been that way for years.

Only 3 games with more than 100 yards rushing out of 16
5 games with a mediocre run average between 3.0-3.7
4 games with a measly run average between 2.5-2.6

That's why overall stats usually NEVER tell you the true story.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't consider it one of the top running attacks in the NFL, but it's definitely an adequate one and enough to support a top QB IMO.

In Indy, it's safe to say that's been by choice. They can try and run it more if they wanted to.

It's by choice because they're pathetic at running the ball and they have a HOF QB at the helm. Running it more won't help. They tried that to an extent in the Jets game and it bit them in the *** a few times on critical downs.

Brady and Manning would not have the numbers they do now if they played with the Steelers, but i don't hear that too often. Pittsburgh wouldn't all of a sudden go to a 70-30 pass vs run split because Tom or Peyton came to town. It's not the Steeler way.

Maybe not, but I don't think Roethlisberger would have the numbers Brady and Manning have on the Pats or Colts. I don't think he'd be successful with the ball in his hands 30-40 times a game without a defense to support him. But we'll probably never know for sure.

Haha prolly a few will pop up between then and Preseason.

A superbowl win for either of these guys won't change my opinion of them a whole lot cause one game doesn't decide a career it just seems lately a SB win just tends to validate a QB more in the media. Best example is Brees, I'm pretty sure most people agreed he was up there before last year but it wasn't until he won a SB that the media realized he was maybe top 3.

Your ability to bring up a Saints example in almost every post is impeccable. lol