Good player, bad team?

[bigbob]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Average player on an average team.

Terrible player on a terrible team.

[buckeye02]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Terrible player on a terrible team.

I was trying to take it easy on the guy...lol

[Shazor4]

Re: GOOD PLAYER BAD TEAM

They need an offensive line and then they would be okay.

Darren McFadden is another one I'd throw up there, but this last year the Raiders started to pull together but if they lose Nnamdi I believe they'll be back at the bottom of the pile.

Also, David Garrard is someone I feel would be a lot better on another team.

Saying that makes me laugh every time. Lions offensive line is not the problem. They were the 4th best pass blocking team last year. The problem with the Lions line is run blocking.

People overrate Staffords injuries so much. His injuries were pretty much freakish every time. When he was healthy he was a monster. He's gonna have a great season this year with more weapons form the draft.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

[bigbob]

Re: GOOD PLAYER BAD TEAM

Saying that makes me laugh every time. Lions offensive line is not the problem. They were the 4th best pass blocking team last year. The problem with the Lions line is run blocking.

People overrate Staffords injuries so much. His injuries were pretty much freakish every time. When he was healthy he was a monster. He's gonna have a great season this year with more weapons form the draft.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

So you pretty much just agreed with me because that's STILL the offensive line that needs work.

[Shazor4]

Re: GOOD PLAYER BAD TEAM

So you pretty much just agreed with me because that's STILL the offensive line that needs work.

What's a QB got to do with run blocking?

[rdnk]

Re: GOOD PLAYER BAD TEAM

Far as the topic,those DBs on the Bengals. I forgot their names.

Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph? I wish we had them on the Lions.

As for two Stafford injuries this year, he was hit while scrambling and Peppers fell on him awkwardly. No matter who you are, if Peppers shows up, he can get past you. Yeah the offensive line needs some work, but Pittsburgh won a Superbowl with mediocre offensive line in 2008, so it can be done.

[andayaman]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Why hasn't this one been said?
Larry Fitzgerald

I think its because everyone thought he retired last year. That's what happens when you have Derek Anderson "throwing" to you.

[bigbob]

Re: GOOD PLAYER BAD TEAM

What's a QB got to do with run blocking?

No where did I say that they had a bad pass blocking team. But they don't need a quarterback. They need a line that can do it all. If they can't run the ball then teams can sit back and force Stafford to throw with double coverage on multiple receivers.

[roethlisberger4pres]

Re: Good player, bad team?

I think its because everyone thought he retired last year. That's what happens when you have Derek Anderson "throwing" to you.

I think he's the one of the best players on a bad team. He wasn't getting noticed because he had ****ty Quarterbacks other than that he's a top 5 receiver.

[55]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Larry Fitzgerald was the first name to pop into my head.

[Feared]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Larry Fitzgerald doesn't pop into mind straight away for me because with Kurt Warner at the helm they used to be a pretty good team. Of course last year they tanked.

Nnamdi Asomugha, Steven Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Lee Evans, Patrick Willis, London Fletcher. Are some of the names I think of because they go out every week and give it their all and then some.. on teams that are perpetual losers season after season.. and yet they still give a great effort.

[roethlisberger4pres]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Larry Fitzgerald doesn't pop into mind straight away for me because with Kurt Warner at the helm they used to be a pretty good team. Of course last year they tanked.

Nnamdi Asomugha, Steven Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Lee Evans, Patrick Willis, London Fletcher. Are some of the names I think of because they go out every week and give it their all and then some.. on teams that are perpetual losers season after season.. and yet they still give a great effort.

It's amazing to see how much of an impact Kurt Warner was to that team, but if you're saying Fitzgerald was only good because of Warner that is highly disagreeable.

[mburke2]

Re: Good player, bad team?

First 2 names to come to mind: Larry Fitz and DeAngelo Williams

[phillysouljah]

Re: Good player, bad team?

Yall do realize Larry Fitzgerald had 90 catches for 1137 yards last season with Derek Anderson/Max Hall/John Skelton at QB? It doesn't matter who is throwing to him; Fitz is still capable of being a top WR. Everyone assumed he had a bad year but 90/1137 is a good season. That's more yards than he had with Warner in 2009!

[Sanchez_Mareno]

Re: Good player, bad team?

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