Michael Vick Re-Signs With Nike

[ImTellinTim]

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So if Vick would have eaten the dogs would that have made it better? LOL.

#NOTASERIOUS?#

LOL, no. I was commenting on the fact that people were trying to compare the two. Your post helps underline the point that it's a ridiculous comparison.

[bkrich83]

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So if Vick would have eaten the dogs would that have made it better? LOL.

#NOTASERIOUS?#

Would have been better than killing them simply for entertainment? I would say yes. Hunting is a comlpetely different issue. Not one that I support either mind you.

Maybe you and guys like Vick don't understand compassion.

Animal torture is often considered a sign of being of several psychological disorders.

[BlueNGold]

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Seeing as the 4th was yesterday. I figure id pull out the old American theory that everyone gets a second chance.

Im happy to see Vick get his. I hope he does well with it. A lot of people feel otherwise for illogical, highly emotional, and unrealistic reasons. To each is own. But no one can really say that people in this country dont get second chances. You can be angry all you want but at least be honest about that.

Lol @ "illogical, highly emotional, and unrealistic reasons". So it's unrealistic and illogical for people not to like him or not forgive him for what he did?

Whatever you say.....

The funny thing is I'm one of the people who have let it go/forgiven him.

[feeq14]

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You can do the facepalm thing or deflect however you want. It doesn't change the fact you're basically saying a bunch of nothing. Don't get mad at me because you don't make sense, or don't have an actual point.

Whether he deserves a second chance is certainly debatable. There's no constitutional right to 2nd chances. It's not one of your inalienable rights. Whether he deserves a 2nd chance or not is strictly a matter of opinion. The fact of the matter is he got one.. Does that bother me? Not particularly. But I see why people don't think he deserved one. And that's well within their rights to believe that. He's a convicted felon who's getting a second chance strictly because he's a good football player. Simple as that.

I understand why certain people blindly defend him, I get it. I feel sorry for them, but that's s discussion for another forum.

BK i cant discuss things with you because you clearly have always had a lot of internet mojo when it comes to dealing with people you disagree with.

You tell me I dont have a point even though you just agreed with it a few posts ago. Then you go on to reverse on that point or purposeful fail to put two and two together in a logically fallacious attempt to make it seem like i havent been making sense. Lastly you straw man me into a group of people that i have never identified with, nor does my actual argument even put me close to. I could write a paper on this type of typical message board nonsense.

If you dont think he deserves a second chance I respect your opinion i understand why, but i think its crap and makes little sense. If you think that dogfighting is so egregious that he should not have had the chance to get back into football, either you are looking at this through highly tinted eyes, or are some type of otherwordly saint. Its all got a very fox newslike selective outrage quality that i find ridiculous but whatever. At least you gave me enough respect to respond to my point that you didnt understand but agreed with...

[bkrich83]

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BK i cant discuss things with you because you clearly have always had a lot of internet mojo when it comes to dealing with people you disagree with.

You tell me I dont have a point even though you just agreed with it a few posts ago. Then you go on to reverse on that point or purposeful fail to put two and two together in a logically fallacious attempt to make it seem like i havent been making sense. Lastly you straw man me into a group of people that i have never identified with, nor does my actual argument even put me close to. I could write a paper on this type of typical message board nonsense.

If you dont think he deserves a second chance I respect your opinion i understand why, but i think its crap and makes little sense. If you think that dogfighting is so egregious that he should not have had the chance to into football, either you are looking at this through highly tinted eyes, or are some type of otherwordly saint. Its all got a very fox newslike selective outrage quality that i find ridiculous but whatever. At least you gave me enough respect to respond to my point that yo didnt understand but agreed with...

I didn't straw many you in to anything. Never said I included you in to that group.

Did I say he didn't deserve a second chance? Nope.

I said getting a second chance isn't an inalienable right as you seem to be intimating. The notion you can't deny he deserves a second chance is simply false. As I said that's strictly opinion and certainly for debate. And again the fact of the matter is, he got his second chance because he's good at football.

Do I think he deserves a second chance? Again for the 5th time, I don't care either way. I am indifferent. Do I understand why people don't think he should get one? Absolutely.

I didn't think what I said was that complex. Apparently it was.

[wwharton]

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Lol @ "illogical, highly emotional, and unrealistic reasons". So it's unrealistic and illogical for people not to like him or not forgive him for what he did?

Whatever you say.....

The funny thing is I'm one of the people who have let it go/forgiven him.

I don't think that was the point here (or, at least I'll explain how I take it and why I kind of agree). This is the only active Michael Vick thread, so I get it if people want to rehash and have the same circular debate as before he went to jail. But really, this thread is about him signing with Nike. On one hand you'll have those that are happy for him, or happy in general that despite the huge sidetrack he brought on himself, he's able to get his life back close to what it once was.

The thing is the other hand should really just be people that don't care. Either you don't care because getting a major endorsement doesn't show one way or another that he's matured, changed, or whatever else you'd like to see to "forgive" his actions. Or you don't care bc you'll never forgive him anyway.

So with that said, I personally don't see how this thread is an avenue to express hatred for the man... beside it being the only active Vick thread. I completely understanding the people saying they hate him, will never like him, etc. but don't really care. It's ones who somehow think it's bad that he got an endorsement like this, or even that he's gotten an opportunity and is doing well in the NFL... active hatred and wishing bad on someone like that isn't much different than what these people are saying they hate the man for in the first place, imo.

But honestly, I think there have only been a handful of those type of posts here in this thread. As I'd expect/hope, the majority seem to either be happy for him or just don't care for one reason or another.

[SoxFan01605]

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Good for him...I think he deserves it. Not because he "deserves a second chance" (which, I feel he does...but to each his own on that) and not because he "deserves" endorsement deals for rehabbing his image (which I don't think anyone "deserves" in that sense). Endorsement deals are par for the course for big name athletes, and he is certainly that (with or without the dog fighting). If Nike wants to take a chance on him, good for them too. Maybe they can push a positive message for the cause of animal protection...I dunno.

As for his sincerity, I guess I'll be in the minority and say I have no real idea. I don't pretend to know the heart of a complete stranger. I just know the Mike Vick pre-prison wouldn't have even made the effort to appear sincere, let alone be sincere (though to be fair, the incentive is obviously stronger post-release). Whether people think he's genuine or not, matters very little IMO. His actions, regardless of perceived motive, have been wholly appropriate since his release.

For me, it has nothing to do with the on-the-field stuff. Off-the-field, his actions have been consistent and positive since he's been out of prison. He has accepted responsibility for his horrible crime, and he has made a concerted effort to shed light on the issue he was imprisoned for and speak out against animal cruelty. That might not be enough for some or might ring false, and that's perfectly understandable...but there's nothing more a man can do. Hopefully, as he continues to gain back some of his previous status/accolades, he stays on track. Time will tell.

[wwharton]

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Good for him...I think he deserves it. Not because he "deserves a second chance" (which, I feel he does...but to each his own on that) and not because he "deserves" endorsement deals for rehabbing his image (which I don't think anyone "deserves" in that sense). Endorsement deals are par for the course for big name athletes, and he is certainly that (with or without the dog fighting). If Nike wants to take a chance on him, good for them too. Maybe they can push a positive message for the cause of animal protection...I dunno.

As for his sincerity, I guess I'll be in the minority and say I have no real idea. I don't pretend to know the heart of a complete stranger. I just know the Mike Vick pre-prison wouldn't have even made the effort to appear sincere, let alone be sincere (though to be fair, the incentive is obviously stronger post-release). Whether people think he's genuine or not, matters very little IMO. His actions, regardless of perceived motive, have been wholly appropriate since his release.

For me, it has nothing to do with the on-the-field stuff. Off-the-field, his actions have been consistent and positive since he's been out of prison. He has accepted responsibility for his horrible crime, and he has made a concerted effort to shed light on the issue he was imprisoned for and speak out against animal cruelty. That might not be enough for some or might ring false, and that's perfectly understandable...but there's nothing more a man can do. Hopefully, as he continues to gain back some of his previous status/accolades, he stays on track. Time will tell.

This is basically how I feel, and no matter which side of the fence you sit on, Vick has been used as an example for our legal system. Whether sincere or not, I feel his actions to this point have shown that the punishment was sufficient to making him a productive member of society. The alternatives would be locking him up forever or execution. The legal system should not be in place for either of those options... it should be to allow/force people to be productive citizens once free, either bc they've legitimately changed or are afraid to return to all the bad that comes from being caught committing the crime. As bad as his crime was, since then the awareness of dog fighting in general has raised significantly, I'd suspect more has been done for the unfortunate animals that have been lucky enough to survive these type of situations, and a major name in our country has become a spokes person against it, with personal experience to discuss it with the demographic most likely to continue the horrible "sport" if they remained ignorant.

Whether you hate Vick forever or not, the entire situation has made the country a better place.

[da ThRONe]

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At this day and age nobody needs to hunt for food. If you are a hunter in the 21century your doing it because you like killing animal eatting them is merely a bi-product.

*My last post in this thread*

[wwharton]

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At this day and age nobody needs to hunt for food. If you are a hunter in the 21months century your doing it because you like killing animal eatting them is merely a bi-product.

*My last post in this thread*

It still doesn't compare... completely different situation. And on that note we can also point at the in breeding and treatment of dogs and horses used only for racing, the lack of humane practices still involved in butchering cattle, chicken and other animals to look better in the grocery store or animals used for testing to satisfy our vanity. All of this was discussed before, and I personally don't think it needs to be rehashed here (have at it if you disagree). Just don't let this get to OT, as the thread isn't about the Mike Vick Crime but about his resigning with Nike.

[The 24th Letter]

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Im very happy he got a second chance...

after seeing a person get off scott free for doing something 10x worse yesterday, I feel even stronger about justice actually being served...

He did his time. He can move on.

[wwharton]

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Im very happy he got a second chance...

after seeing a person get off scott free for doing something 10x worse yesterday, I feel even stronger about justice actually being served...

He did his time. He can move on.

First and last post about that or other non sports related court cases.

Thanks

[coogrfan]

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The thing is the other hand should really just be people that don't care. Either you don't care because getting a major endorsement doesn't show one way or another that he's matured, changed, or whatever else you'd like to see to "forgive" his actions. Or you don't care bc you'll never forgive him anyway.

So with that said, I personally don't see how this thread is an avenue to express hatred for the man... beside it being the only active Vick thread. I completely understanding the people saying they hate him, will never like him, etc. but don't really care. It's ones who somehow think it's bad that he got an endorsement like this, or even that he's gotten an opportunity and is doing well in the NFL... active hatred and wishing bad on someone like that isn't much different than what these people are saying they hate the man for in the first place, imo.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...so if I were to say that I wished that Vick hadn't been able to return to the pampered life of a millionaire athlete and had been forced to get a normal job and live an ordinary life, I would be no better than Vick in your eyes?

Seriously?

[wwharton]

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Whoa, whoa, whoa...so if I were to say that I wished that Vick hadn't been able to return to the pampered life of a millionaire athlete and had been forced to get a normal job and live an ordinary life, I would be no better than Vick in your eyes?

Seriously?

If you personally consider that as wishing "bad" on him, then no you wouldn't imo. My general response would be that he should be able to get a job his capable of doing. The fact that he's a talented athlete makes football a "normal" job for him, and it comes with a lot of money, fame and tv time for everyone mad at him to watch him be rich and famous. I get why that could be an issue. If you wish you weren't reminded of that by him being out of the spotlight, or just think he needs to be humbled more, then I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

But if you just want him to be less successful because you don't like the man, with no effect on your life or those around you at all, then that's pretty bad in my eyes. The question would be why would that make you feel better? He earned the right to play football, it wasn't given to him. If he won the lotto or got a job from his uncle making millions, I could see that but he's not back on the field just bc of his name or some hand out. His crime wasn't related to his job either, so it's not like he's profiting on the act.

[bkrich83]

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If you personally consider that as wishing "bad" on him, then no you wouldn't imo. My general response would be that he should be able to get a job his capable of doing. The fact that he's a talented athlete makes football a "normal" job for him, and it comes with a lot of money, fame and tv time for everyone mad at him to watch him be rich and famous. I get why that could be an issue. If you wish you weren't reminded of that by him being out of the spotlight, or just think he needs to be humbled more, then I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

But if you just want him to be less successful because you don't like the man, with no effect on your life or those around you at all, then that's pretty bad in my eyes. The question would be why would that make you feel better? He earned the right to play football, it wasn't given to him. If he won the lotto or got a job from his uncle making millions, I could see that but he's not back on the field just bc of his name or some hand out. His crime wasn't related to his job either, so it's not like he's profiting on the act.

I buy in to this.

As I said, I find him an utterly despicable person. I wouldn't go out of my way to help him in any way shape or form. I think the notion he earned his way back in to the league is debatable at best. I think his reform act is just that, an act. He simply now has good handlers who did a fabulous job at image rehab, so that people who don't know any better will buy in to the "he's learned his lesson" stuff hook line and sinker.

All that being said, I simply don't care about this deal. It doesn't affect me. It's a business deal between Nike and Mike Vick. No one else is profiting nor are they suffering because of it. No big deal imo.

I don't wish ill will on him or harm to him off the field or on. I also would never root for him, nor would I lend him any kind of assistance, in any situation. He simply is who he is to me. Nothing more nothing less.