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[slickdtc]

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Of course not, but the threat of it behind closed doors plus Cowboys players and Jerry himself decrying the fine would've been enough kindling to set off a a firestorm. The league already has a bad reputation for being heavy handed. Again, this would NOT be a good time or target (Salvation Army) to go after.

If this was really a motivation, the NFL are some bitches.

They'd rather open this preferential treatment can of worms then fine a guy as per the rules? The argument for why would Zeke be fined begins and ends with the no props rule. Can't really be challenged. Now they're setting themselves up, and for not only the player but the organization he's representing that's violating the rules, to claim discrimination or something.

This league man. Always something stupid going on.

[kingkilla56]

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But the Giants cooperated fully with the investigation.

They fessed up to their violation immediately.

They didn't fight the league on it.

They didn't destroy evidence.

They didn't dare the NFL to find evidence.

They cooperated and the video footage showed there was no communication on walkie after the 15 second cut off. This violation happened after malfunctions of the gear, and it happened for 5 plays which resulted in nothing.

So I don't understand why some patriots fans feel some type of way about it. This was handled completely different from all the patriots fiascos for obvious reasons. The punishment fit the crime. Don't know what anyone was expecting.


Also whoever said the punishment should be forcing Coughlin back on us should be banned. I want to file a formal complaint.

[kingkilla56]

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Browns GM Ray Farmer was suspended four games and the team fined $250,000 for the texting "scandal" of 2014. Giants punishment appears to fall in line with that.

One could argue the Giants did get off easy considering this is their second rules violation in December, but I wil save that argument for someone who gives a ****.

What was the other rules violation?

No two violations are the same. NFL decided the severity of the violation and punished us accordingly. Did you want McAdoo suspended 4 games 250k fine and loss of draft picks over 5 plays of walkie talkie use after league equipment malfunctions which resulted in nothing positive for the Giants O?

[areobee401]

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What was the other rules violation?

No two violations are the same. NFL decided the severity of the violation and punished us accordingly. Did you want McAdoo suspended 4 games 250k fine and loss of draft picks over 5 plays of walkie talkie use after league equipment malfunctions which resulted in nothing positive for the Giants O?

Measuring air pressure in Steelers footballs.

I personally had and continue to have no interest in the discipline handed down on the Giants for the use of walkie talkies. You asked what would be a fair punishment. I found the most recent violation that sorta fits under what the Giants did and said the punishments for the two appear to match up evenly for what they were.

[wwharton]

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I just don't understand what any of that has to do with OBJ's point. Because of his "antics" his positive gestures that bring attention to a charity as opposed to himself deserve to be punished? You can only break the rule for a good cause if you haven't brought negative attention on yourself? What kind of logic is that?


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"Positive gestures that bring attention to a charity" is the fluff to get people behind him. He knew going into the game that the league doesn't allow it and did it anyway. Attaching a charity to it to get people to paint him as a victim doesn't change that.

I have no idea why the league decided to give Zeke a pass, but it was clearly a bad idea because of what we see now with this. I think it's ironic bc people drill the NFL for being extreme with their rules, but then the one time they decide to loosen up there's clear indication of why they have decided to do things to the letter 100% of the time.

At the end of the day, what happened in Dallas had nothing to do with OBJ or any other player in any other situation in any other time. For whatever reason, THAT specific act, by that person, at this time of year, in the way it happened moved them to not fine. It literally can not be compared to any other situation in any way. The truth is we don't know if OBJ would've been fined if he did the same thing... or if he would've done the same thing and didn't have a history of doing things already... or if he had done the same thing but made it clear before the game that he was going to do it... etc, etc, etc.

We do know that players don't like the uniform policies and have tried to find loopholes in the past. We also have heard them give the heart felt reasons for trying to show their independence (I only respect those who do it anyway and accept the fine without fanfare like Brandon Marshall and DeAngelo Williams). We also saw the NFL loosen up for a day and let players change shoes to promote causes and had a player make up a fake cause just so he could stand out with different shoes.

The NFL is damned if they do and damned if they don't, but they print money so I'm not going to cry for them. But people who say "if it were (me/my team/my age group/my sex/etc) then (insert negative) would have happened" are just complaining to complain. If OBJ wants to complain about the actual rule, more power to him. But the comparison falls short in many ways. He's already put a target on his back for things like excessive celebration so yeah, it is probably less likely he wouldn't get a pass but that's not some conspiracy against him.

How you feel about OBJ doesn't change the fact that Zeke still broke a rule(Used a prop for a celebration, which the league frowns upon)and by rule, should be fined.

You feel that Beckham brings negative attention, others may think he doesn't. Doesn't change the fact that Zeke, by rule, should've been fined. But since he wasn't, then the league opens itself up to criticism like this. It's not like he's complaining for the sake of complaining.

Has nothing to do with how I feel about OBJ (or how "others" feel). It's fact that he's painted a target on his own back with his actions in his short time in the league. These comments just further shows he doesn't get it, giving refs and officials even more reason to be quick to punish him if he tries to push the limits.

If cops pull over 100% of people going 56 mph and above, then on christmas eve one cop decides to give one motorist with a salvation army sticker on his car a warning, you think that opens the entire force up for criticism of unfair treatment? Personally, I don't... and think the guy (who's gotten 3 tickets for going 70 in the last year) claiming it's BS because "if that were me..." is crying over sour grapes.

[jb12780]

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I'm interested in what this alleged other rule violation was.

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[wwharton]

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But the Giants cooperated fully with the investigation.

They fessed up to their violation immediately.

They didn't fight the league on it.

They didn't destroy evidence.

They didn't dare the NFL to find evidence.

They cooperated and the video footage showed there was no communication on walkie after the 15 second cut off. This violation happened after malfunctions of the gear, and it happened for 5 plays which resulted in nothing.

So I don't understand why some patriots fans feel some type of way about it. This was handled completely different from all the patriots fiascos for obvious reasons. The punishment fit the crime. Don't know what anyone was expecting.


Also whoever said the punishment should be forcing Coughlin back on us should be banned. I want to file a formal complaint.

I agree with you, but don't see the patriot fan saying otherwise (unless you're taking some of the suggestions given here seriously, which I don't think they were).

Measuring air pressure in Steelers footballs.

I personally had and continue to have no interest in the discipline handed down on the Giants for the use of walkie talkies. You asked what would be a fair punishment. I found the most recent violation that sorta fits under what the Giants did and said the punishments for the two appear to match up evenly for what they were.

They investigated this and said it was much ado about nothing.

[areobee401]

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I agree with you, but don't see the patriot fan saying otherwise (unless you're taking some of the suggestions given here seriously, which I don't think they were).



They investigated this and said it was much ado about nothing.

Right, but the Giants measuring the air pressure themselves is against NFL policy. Again, I don't really care. But it is a rule that was broken.

[wwharton]

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Right, but the Giants measuring the air pressure themselves is against NFL policy. Again, I don't really care. But it is a rule that was broken.

That's more than I knew about it. But again, I don't think either you or I...

A) care
B) thought the giants' penalty was too much/too little/just right
C) care that the Giants did it in the first place

... so I'll back out of this one.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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"Positive gestures that bring attention to a charity" is the fluff to get people behind him. He knew going into the game that the league doesn't allow it and did it anyway. Attaching a charity to it to get people to paint him as a victim doesn't change that.



I have no idea why the league decided to give Zeke a pass, but it was clearly a bad idea because of what we see now with this. I think it's ironic bc people drill the NFL for being extreme with their rules, but then the one time they decide to loosen up there's clear indication of why they have decided to do things to the letter 100% of the time.



At the end of the day, what happened in Dallas had nothing to do with OBJ or any other player in any other situation in any other time. For whatever reason, THAT specific act, by that person, at this time of year, in the way it happened moved them to not fine. It literally can not be compared to any other situation in any way. The truth is we don't know if OBJ would've been fined if he did the same thing... or if he would've done the same thing and didn't have a history of doing things already... or if he had done the same thing but made it clear before the game that he was going to do it... etc, etc, etc.



We do know that players don't like the uniform policies and have tried to find loopholes in the past. We also have heard them give the heart felt reasons for trying to show their independence (I only respect those who do it anyway and accept the fine without fanfare like Brandon Marshall and DeAngelo Williams). We also saw the NFL loosen up for a day and let players change shoes to promote causes and had a player make up a fake cause just so he could stand out with different shoes.



The NFL is damned if they do and damned if they don't, but they print money so I'm not going to cry for them. But people who say "if it were (me/my team/my age group/my sex/etc) then (insert negative) would have happened" are just complaining to complain. If OBJ wants to complain about the actual rule, more power to him. But the comparison falls short in many ways. He's already put a target on his back for things like excessive celebration so yeah, it is probably less likely he wouldn't get a pass but that's not some conspiracy against him.







Has nothing to do with how I feel about OBJ (or how "others" feel). It's fact that he's painted a target on his own back with his actions in his short time in the league. These comments just further shows he doesn't get it, giving refs and officials even more reason to be quick to punish him if he tries to push the limits.



If cops pull over 100% of people going 56 mph and above, then on christmas eve one cop decides to give one motorist with a salvation army sticker on his car a warning, you think that opens the entire force up for criticism of unfair treatment? Personally, I don't... and think the guy (who's gotten 3 tickets for going 70 in the last year) claiming it's BS because "if that were me..." is crying over sour grapes.

That's cool...but he still broke a rule and as like others before him(even ones that were "clean")he should be fined as well.

But I guess Beckham should just keep his mouth shut and be glad nothing worse came from his fine.

[kingkilla56]

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That's cool...but he still broke a rule and as like others before him(even ones that were "clean")he should be fined as well.

But I guess Beckham should just keep his mouth shut and be glad nothing worse came from his fine.

Wwharton obviously has an ax to grind on Odell for some reason.

Pack is saying Zeke broke a rule. Odell is saying Zeke broke a rule. They're right he did. NFL picking and choosing when to be a decent public relations org is their problem.

I don't know what Odell putting a target on his back has anything to do with anything with Odell's observation.

[Hooe]

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I suppose this shouldn't be the case because I'm a Cowboys fan, but I really can't find the energy in me to care either way about Walkie-Talk-Gate or whatever fun name we're calling it. The Cowboys didn't lose to the Giants because of a few plays of inappropriate communication with respect to the NFL rule book.

And Zeke should have been fined by the current letter of the NFL rules. Those rules are stupid, but they are rules nevertheless.

[TheShizNo1]

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"Positive gestures that bring attention to a charity" is the fluff to get people behind him. He knew going into the game that the league doesn't allow it and did it anyway. Attaching a charity to it to get people to paint him as a victim doesn't change that.

I have no idea why the league decided to give Zeke a pass, but it was clearly a bad idea because of what we see now with this. I think it's ironic bc people drill the NFL for being extreme with their rules, but then the one time they decide to loosen up there's clear indication of why they have decided to do things to the letter 100% of the time.

At the end of the day, what happened in Dallas had nothing to do with OBJ or any other player in any other situation in any other time. For whatever reason, THAT specific act, by that person, at this time of year, in the way it happened moved them to not fine. It literally can not be compared to any other situation in any way. The truth is we don't know if OBJ would've been fined if he did the same thing... or if he would've done the same thing and didn't have a history of doing things already... or if he had done the same thing but made it clear before the game that he was going to do it... etc, etc, etc.

We do know that players don't like the uniform policies and have tried to find loopholes in the past. We also have heard them give the heart felt reasons for trying to show their independence (I only respect those who do it anyway and accept the fine without fanfare like Brandon Marshall and DeAngelo Williams). We also saw the NFL loosen up for a day and let players change shoes to promote causes and had a player make up a fake cause just so he could stand out with different shoes.

The NFL is damned if they do and damned if they don't, but they print money so I'm not going to cry for them. But people who say "if it were (me/my team/my age group/my sex/etc) then (insert negative) would have happened" are just complaining to complain. If OBJ wants to complain about the actual rule, more power to him. But the comparison falls short in many ways. He's already put a target on his back for things like excessive celebration so yeah, it is probably less likely he wouldn't get a pass but that's not some conspiracy against him.



Has nothing to do with how I feel about OBJ (or how "others" feel). It's fact that he's painted a target on his own back with his actions in his short time in the league. These comments just further shows he doesn't get it, giving refs and officials even more reason to be quick to punish him if he tries to push the limits.

If cops pull over 100% of people going 56 mph and above, then on christmas eve one cop decides to give one motorist with a salvation army sticker on his car a warning, you think that opens the entire force up for criticism of unfair treatment? Personally, I don't... and think the guy (who's gotten 3 tickets for going 70 in the last year) claiming it's BS because "if that were me..." is crying over sour grapes.

So, people/players/owners/etc are supposed to look at Zeke not being disciplined for violating a rule and go on about their day?

I can't hear your speeding/cop example because I don't have a police ticker going across my screen every time someone gets pulled over for speeding. It's not the same thing, imo.

This isn't a dammed if they do or don't situation. You sound like my man in here that's always defending the NFL. It's simple, if a player is doing something to promote a good cause (salvation army/cancer) you don't fine him. They contradcticted themselves and are now getting criticized and rightfully so.

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[ImTellinTim]

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BREAKING: The NFL will have a spring league starting in the spring of 2017, structured around four squads of veteran free agent players


I know a lot of people are probably excited about that, but that's a hard pass for me.

[wwharton]

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That's cool...but he still broke a rule and as like others before him(even ones that were "clean")he should be fined as well.

But I guess Beckham should just keep his mouth shut and be glad nothing worse came from his fine.

I think it was tongue in cheek but this is my thought exactly lol. I think Zeke should've been fined, but don't really care that he wasn't, in the same sense that I wouldn't care if OBJ wasn't fined for some celebration he got flagged for. But EVERYBODY knows that's usually a fine and they just gave Zeke a break for some reason. OBJ making it personal just sounds like a baby. IF OBJ was the only one (or one of a few) who got fined for stuff like that, then the "if it were me..." talk would have some merit. But no, 99.9% of the time everyone else gets fined including Zeke.

Wwharton obviously has an ax to grind on Odell for some reason.

Pack is saying Zeke broke a rule. Odell is saying Zeke broke a rule. They're right he did. NFL picking and choosing when to be a decent public relations org is their problem.

I don't know what Odell putting a target on his back has anything to do with anything with Odell's observation.

I have no axe to grind, lol. He just looks like a baby making everything about him. He does it often, that's just stating fact. The target comment has merit bc instead of crying about getting punished for doing something wrong, just don't do it. He deserves to be called out for it.