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[ubernoob]

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When you have psychopaths hyped up on roids for teammates. It ceases being hazing, its criminal plain and simple.

Then get the authorities involved. Boom, stood up for yourself. Not powerless.

[KMRblue1027]

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Than why didn't he do it? Oh wait... he'd be no better off otherwise because the cops wouldn't do anything and his teammates would just get worse. The authorities never takes any of this stuff seriously.

[ubernoob]

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Than why didn't he do it? Oh wait... he'd be no better off otherwise because the cops wouldn't do anything and his teammates would just get worse. The authorities never takes any of this stuff seriously.

I was talking about you. There was nothing criminal with his situation.

He could have refused to pay, he didn't. He could have went to said teammates, other teammates, the coaches, etc. He didn't. He has a tiny tiny slice of blame in this blame pie.

He finally had enough and walked away.

[Steven78]

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This mindset that he should have did something different and its his fault is EXACTLY why bullies are allowed to pick on people. Blame the victim. Must be a total p$%&y since he's in the NFL and acted like a wimp right?

Yeah, say something to the coaches, call the cops, that definitely wouldn't make it worse smh. The ignorance on this subject is astounding.

[ubernoob]

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So you're saying he shouldn't have said anything... but people are magically supposed to know what is going on?

Did I understand that post correctly?

[kehlis]

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You guys are making a huge assumption that he did nothing to stop this.....

None of us know the extent of the bullying. If it was simple hazing, it's laughable that you guys would suggest he call the police.

Stand up for himself? Sure, do any of us know he didn't do anything to try and stop it when it first started? No.

Do you think rookies liked being taped to goalposts in training camp? Probably not, but when you have 20 guys doing it to you there isn't much defense. There is a reason the NFL put a stop to it.


Putting blame on him is completely ludicrous unless you know for a fact that he did absolutely nothing to try and stop it. Assuming he did nothing is not at all fair.

[AUChase]

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I think using ignorance is just a cop out here when there's a pretty good debate going back and forth on the subject. If it comes to just having differing opinions then so be it, but no one is being ignorant.

If he was being threatened he should have went to the authorities. If his social status among the team was being threatened he should have stood up for himself or spoke to someone within the organization. If he did both of those things and it continued, then I see why and agree he did the right thing when he left the organization

Yeah his team was being a dick, but I also don't feel that sorry for the guy just based off what little bit we do know. If some light is shed on the situation that causes me to feel differently I'll let it be known. Right now all we can do is just sit and draw conclusions based on assumptions made about a grown man's personal situation and that man happens to play for an NFL team and make a lot of money.

That's my opinion for now. We'll know more about it soon and then my take on things may change.

[kehlis]

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By the way, it seems as if he was being bullied because he is gay.....I forgot to mention that in my last post.

[Steven78]

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My ignorant comment comes from those saying "how can an NFL player be bullied?"

[AUChase]

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My ignorant comment comes from those saying "how can an NFL player be bullied?"

That's fair and I agree.

I just assumed you were talking about some of the other things being said.

I guess I'm just used to conversations taking that turn very often around here. Not to go much further OT, but time and time again people can't just debate without insulting someone's knowledge.

Again.. not saying you did that. Thanks for clearing it up.

[ubernoob]

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Having been part of an organization (and in multiple locations at the forefront of that) where there have been multiple exposés done on the national scale (60 minutes, multitudes of news reports, etc.) about hazing... I will say that if he did not report anything, there is a very small amount of blame on his shoulders.

There's also blame on all the teammates that saw this happening and did nothing about it, if they did nothing. I don't feel sorry for him one bit if he didn't do anything serious until he left the team.

If he did seriously report it, then anyone who ignored it in the management of the team should be gone.

Bullying/hazing is always going to be around in some shape, way or form. Always. That doesn't make it right and more needs to be done to punish those that are truly bullying/hazing others - but acting like we can wipe it out is a silly Utopian notion that will never be realized.

[kehlis]

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Having been part of an organization (and in multiple locations at the forefront of that) where there have been multiple exposés done on the national scale (60 minutes, multitudes of news reports, etc.) about hazing... I will say that if he did not report anything, there is a very small amount of blame on his shoulders.

I just don't get this thought though?

If I break the law 10 times and only get caught once can I place blame on the police for not catching me the other 9 times?


I don't agree with him walking away, that's the only part I don't get, but I don't see how we can place any blame on him for the way he was treated by others....

[kingkilla56]

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I dont think I feel sorry for Martin. I think he handled it poorly. Maybe he should have stood up for himself. Not given the money for something he didnt want to support. But that is irrelevant. He was targeted as a mark by the clowns on his team. He was bullied. I know the thought of a grown man being bullied is nonsense to some especially a giant NFL player but it happens. People get bullied at school, at work, at the gym, at the bar everywhere. and not everyone will react the "right" way to it. I dont hold Martin's reactions against him. I hold the act of the bullying against those who did it (assuming these allegations are true).

[ubernoob]

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I just don't get this thought though?

If I break the law 10 times and only get caught once can I place blame on the police for not catching me the other 9 times?

I don't agree with him walking away, that's the only part I don't get, but I don't see how we can place any blame on him for the way he was treated by others....

If you assault someone 10 times, that person tells the cops 10 times and you only get in trouble one time... then yes, the cops share blame in allowing it to happen.

If he felt threatened/whatever you wanna call it to be made to pay these things and didn't report it or say anything about it in some type of serious manner to coaches/team captains/etc, then that part is his fault.

It's why the official Marine Corps order on it says this: "b. No Marine or Service member attached to a Marine command, including
Marine detachments, shall engage in hazing or consent to being the subject of
hazing." Nobody says "Oh, yeah... go ahead haze me." Being a complicit member of some of these acts is more than enough to get you charged.

It's not victim blaming. It's not his fault that this happened. It's (albeit a very very small part) partly his fault if they continue to happen when he doesn't report it.

[kehlis]

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If you assault someone 10 times, that person tells the cops 10 times and you only get in trouble one time... then yes, the cops share blame in allowing it to happen.

That wasn't your argument though.

You said if he was being bullied and DIDN'T report it, he is to blame.


So if I assault someone 10 times, and am only accused or caught once, does my victim get blamed for not reporting it previously?