R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

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  • rangerrick012
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    • Jan 2010
    • 6201

    #136
    Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

    Tim Brown had some good comments about the role CTE may have played in Seau's passing.
    “What I say about this, and this is what I’ve been saying to everybody when it comes to the whole CTE thing: I know that that’s real because you have guys who play this game, and they get concussions and keep playing. So I’m not doubting the fact that CTE is real,” Brown said. “But when you look at the guys who do this, you don’t see Roger Staubach committing suicide. You don’t see some of the more successful players doing this. It’s all guys who are having a few problems. You can say what you want — does the CTE cause the depression? Does the CTE cause these guys not to be able to adapt? That’s another whole story. But all I’m saying is it seems like all these guys who are having this issue, going back to the center, Mike Webster, for the Steelers, it’s all guys who are having issues adjusting to life after football.”

    Brown said he suspects that football had dominated Seau’s life to such an extent that he had a hard time adjusting to life without football — and a hard time finding a reason to get up in the morning.

    “There’s a whole lot of studies that need to be done before we can just say it’s CTE,” Brown said. “I just think it has a lot more to do with the issues that these guys are dealing with.”
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    • ODogg
      Hall Of Fame
      • Feb 2003
      • 37953

      #137
      Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

      Originally posted by rangerrick012
      Tim Brown had some good comments about the role CTE may have played in Seau's passing.
      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-junior-seau/
      This is what I believe as well, these guys are stars from the earliest age and then suddenly they're just an average Joe. Some can adjust and some cannot. And yes I'm sure they do have health problems due to the sport they played but that is to be expected.

      I must say, although I feel bad for the families of these athletes I can't bring myself to feel too sorry for these guys and get all worked up about the brutality of the sport and how awful it is we subject them to it.

      These guys are happy to accept the fame and immense wealth this sport can bring and then when it's time to pay the piper afterwards, anonymity, no big paychecks flowing in, all sorts of ridiculous health issues, etc etc we are supposed to feel bad for them?

      Sorry but I just refuse to feel as if they are somehow victims as some of the NFLPA and others in the media seem to want to paint them. I don't buy it and quite frankly I don't think the majority of the public buys it either. Again, I feel terrible for the families but these men are not victims.
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      • Sportsforever
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        • Mar 2005
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        #138
        Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

        Haven't read through the entire thread, but first off RIP to Junior. Living here in SD it's amazing to see the response to this and how much he meant to everyone who's been here for any length of time.

        Secondly, I understand the concussion thing I think the NFL needs to really take a hard look at what can be done/what is going on. I don't, however, understand why no one is talking about the substances these guys are putting in their bodies during their playing days as a causal factor. Of the 8 guys who have died from the Charger's SB team I think half died of heart attacks at young ages...that is indicative to me of heavy supplement/steroid use and I'm surprised that this hasn't come up at all.
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        • Senator Palmer
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3314

          #139
          Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

          I've been trying to refrain from posting anything but condolences in this thread, but after the Tim Brown statement I wanted add one thing.

          Deion Sanders is on record for a suicide attempt back in the late 90s when he drove his car off a cliff. I ain't trying to be funny, but I don't remember Deion hitting anybody.

          Now I don't want to in any way minimize the toll the game takes on the human body, but I'd venture to guess that there are a combination of factors that led to Seau's tipping point, and not one thing.

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          • edaddy
            MVP
            • Jun 2004
            • 2848

            #140
            Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

            Originally posted by Sportsforever
            Haven't read through the entire thread, but first off RIP to Junior. Living here in SD it's amazing to see the response to this and how much he meant to everyone who's been here for any length of time.

            Secondly, I understand the concussion thing I think the NFL needs to really take a hard look at what can be done/what is going on. I don't, however, understand why no one is talking about the substances these guys are putting in their bodies during their playing days as a causal factor. Of the 8 guys who have died from the Charger's SB team I think half died of heart attacks at young ages...that is indicative to me of heavy supplement/steroid use and I'm surprised that this hasn't come up at all.
            No only two died of true heart attacks..Chris Mims(enlarged heart) and Lew Bush..As someone who personally knew Shawn lee I can tell you he died of a heart attack brought on by pnuemonia and diabetes..He never used an aspirin much less supplements or steroids.. I have to believe that these Chargers death are an unfortunate coincidence.. however firmly believe that these players suicides are part of the concussion syndrome and brain trauma incurred while playing..its real..
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            • AussieChiefsFan
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              • Feb 2012
              • 1393

              #141
              Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

              R.I.P Junior :'( You will be missed
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              • ProfessaPackMan
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                • Mar 2008
                • 63852

                #142
                Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                Just pathetic man:

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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #143
                  Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  Sheesh....Well at least the only thing taken was a bike.
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                  • Senator Palmer
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3314

                    #144
                    Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                    Just putting the info out there.

                    ESPN - Friend Say Seau Battled Insomnia


                    Friends of Junior Seau said the former NFL linebacker suffered from insomnia, and at least four of those friends said Seau regularly took the prescription drug Ambien, according to a USA Today report.

                    Nancy Emsley, who frequented the same gym as Seau, told USA Today that she repeatedly stressed to Seau the importance of getting eight hours of sleep after taking an Ambien pill.


                    Seau
                    "He told me he usually woke up around 1 or 2 (a.m.) and couldn't go back to sleep," Emsley told USA Today.

                    The 43-year-old Seau was found shot to death at his home on May 2. His death has been ruled a suicide.

                    Ambien is the most recognized brand name for zolpidem, a drug usually prescribed for sleep disorders. Ambien's FDA-approved prescribing information includes warnings that suicidal thoughts or actions have been reported by depressed patients using that class of drugs.

                    Instructions are also included that tell users not to take Ambien if they consume alcohol -- which friends said Seau did -- or if they are unable to get a full eight hours of sleep.

                    Mark Walczak, Seau's former teammate with the San Diego Chargers, told USA Today he witnessed Seau taking a prescription sleeping pill in 2005, when Seau played for the Miami Dolphins.

                    "I know he's had a very difficult time sleeping over the years," Walczak told USA Today. "I think it's gotten worse and worse. Lack of sleep creates huge anxiety."
                    I know that I've had bouts of insomnia from time to time, and it can just ruin you. I know exactly what the article refers to when it talks about anxiety.


                    USA Today Article - really long, but really good read...
                    "A man can only be beaten in two ways: if he gives up, or if he dies."

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                    • Boltman
                      L.A. to S.D. to HI
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 18283

                      #145
                      Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                      An amazingly in depth look into Seau's inner life. Very compelling yet terribly sad.

                      It is a bit long (17 pages) but well worth the read.

                      Junior Seau: Bitter endgame

                      After his retirement from the NFL, a troubled Seau tried to keep up appearances with his vast networks of friends and acquaintances. But his inner life was in shambles.

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                      • DJ
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 17756

                        #146
                        Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                        Originally posted by Boltman
                        An amazingly in depth look into Seau's inner life. Very compelling yet terribly sad.

                        It is a bit long (17 pages) but well worth the read.

                        Junior Seau: Bitter endgame

                        After his retirement from the NFL, a troubled Seau tried to keep up appearances with his vast networks of friends and acquaintances. But his inner life was in shambles.
                        That was an amazing - yet, sad - read. A great job by the writer.
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                        • SidVish
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                          • Apr 2003
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                          #147
                          Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                          Not surprising but it looks like Seau suffered from CTE.

                          A team of scientists who autopsied the brain of renown NFL linebacker Junior Seau after his death last year have concluded the football player suffered a debilitating brain disease likely caused by two decades worth of hits to the head and which may have led to his suicide, researchers and his family exclusively told ABC News.
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                          • chilli311
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                            • Feb 2008
                            • 2475

                            #148
                            Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                            <ARTICLE>
                            I don't want this to sound disrespectful, but there was no question of if. It was a question of when.

                            The worst part is, there isn't anything that anyone can do to prevent head trauma. Bigger helmets, more padding, harder material, etc. It's all just a show to make it look like there is something that can be done. The fact is, until there is a way to secure the brain in a position where it can't move around, there will be head trauma in football.
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                            • Jr.
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #149
                              Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                              Originally posted by chilli311
                              <article>
                              I don't want this to sound disrespectful, but there was no question of if. It was a question of when.

                              The worst part is, there isn't anything that anyone can do to prevent head trauma. Bigger helmets, more padding, harder material, etc. It's all just a show to make it look like there is something that can be done. The fact is, until there is a way to secure the brain in a position where it can't move around, there will be head trauma in football.
                              </article>
                              Herm Edwards was talking about helmets and placing blame on the NFL that there aren't helmets that better protect from concussions.

                              It was an idiotic statement, because (like you said) there isn't a helmet that can prevent the brain from moving inside the skull (which is what causes concussions). Helmets are hard to protect the skull, which was why players were nearly dieing on the field in the early days. There needs to be a lot of padding to slow the head down at impact to protect the brain, but then the risk for cracking the skull is higher.

                              Unfortunately, there is no way to protect both.
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                              • rangerrick012
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                                • Jan 2010
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                                #150
                                Re: R.I.P. Junior Seau 1969-2012

                                Michael Irvin had a good interview today on the Jim Rome show today about this topic.

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