Priest Holmes HOFer?

[jth1331]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

The fact that Holmes didn't hang around for very long isn't even the half of it.

Holmes, much like Shaun Alexander and the revolving RB door at Denver during the Shanahan era, was very clearly a product of the system.

Larry Johnson rushing for 3500 yards in 25 games started and making consecutive All-Pro teams after replacing Holmes and then proceeding to fade to oblivion once his OL leaves more or less attests to this.

Yeah, because every RB in Denver during the Shanahan era wound up averaging 1500 yards and 15 TD's during their reign there :rollseyes:

Not only did TD flourish during the regular season, he was a beast during the postseason. 8 playoff games, he had over 1100 yards rushing and 12 rushing TD's. In the playoffs people, against the best teams out there.

Now, these border guys like Holmes, they aren't getting in if Davis doesn't get in. Davis has the championships, accolades to warrant over them.

People brought up Shaun Alexander, but I'm actually thinking he does have a case to be in the HOF. Probably won't make it, but the 100 TD's is a nice total there.

[Clemsonpanther]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Larry j proved that priest was in a system. 4 out of the 5 starters on the chiefs line should be in, or just induct the whole group. If a guy that is goat for 3 years isn't in (Terrell Davis) neither should he. I maintain that John elway was mediocre until his 30s and is not a HOFer

[JBH3]

Fantasy Football HOFer? Most def.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

I maintain that John elway was mediocre until his 30s and is not a HOFer

What in the world?

[DukeC]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

I maintain that John elway was mediocre until his 30s and is not a HOFer

The sequence that just went through my brain.

nsfw

Spoiler

......

nsfw

Spoiler

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

I maintain that John elway was mediocre until his 30s and is not a HOFer

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Yeah, because every RB in Denver during the Shanahan era wound up averaging 1500 yards and 15 TD's during their reign there :rollseyes:

Yeah, because it's not conspicuous or anything that 3rd round pick Olandis Gary pops in as a rookie after Davis gets hurt and rushes for 1150 yards in 12 games and then is replaced by 6th round pick Mike Anderson in 2000 who as a rookie goes for 1500 yards and 15 TDs in 12 games and two years later rookie Clinton Portis is a lock for the Hall and possibly breaking Emmitt's record after 2 1500+ yard seasons with a 5.5 YPC average and then is replaced by kick returner Reuben Droughns who rushes for 1200+ yards, who is then subsequently replaced by former superstar Mike Anderson who after 3 seasons of irrelevancy rushes for 1000 yards and 12 TDs, and then is replaced by Tatum Bell who rushes for 1000 yards in consecutive years.

In Denver, you literally had running backs [perennially] come out of nowhere to post huge statistical years. That's what I mean by "product of the system."

[jth1331]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

I maintain that John elway was mediocre until his 30s and is not a HOFer

[jth1331]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Yeah, because it's not conspicuous or anything that 3rd round pick Olandis Gary pops in as a rookie after Davis gets hurt and rushes for 1150 yards in 12 games and then is replaced by 6th round pick Mike Anderson in 2000 who as a rookie goes for 1500 yards and 15 TDs in 12 games and two years later rookie Clinton Portis is a lock for the Hall and possibly breaking Emmitt's record after 2 1500+ yard seasons with a 5.5 YPC average and then is replaced by kick returner Reuben Droughns who rushes for 1200+ yards, who is then subsequently replaced by former superstar Mike Anderson who after 3 seasons of irrelevancy rushes for 1000 yards and 12 TDs, and then is replaced by Tatum Bell who rushes for 1000 yards in consecutive years.

In Denver, you literally had running backs [perennially] come out of nowhere to post huge statistical years. That's what I mean by "product of the system."

I asked you to show me a RB in Denver who averaged 1500 yards rushing and 15 TD's over the span of 4 years. Only Portis did that really in his 2 years.
I mean, if that OL was so good, the system so good, I guess we should put more OL from that team in the HOF and Shanahan and the OL coach or whatever. It couldn't be that Denver actually had a way of finding good talent at RB, and coaching them to showcase that talent in games.

[The15thunter]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Yeah, because it's not conspicuous or anything that 3rd round pick Olandis Gary pops in as a rookie after Davis gets hurt and rushes for 1150 yards in 12 games and then is replaced by 6th round pick Mike Anderson in 2000 who as a rookie goes for 1500 yards and 15 TDs in 12 games and two years later rookie Clinton Portis is a lock for the Hall and possibly breaking Emmitt's record after 2 1500+ yard seasons with a 5.5 YPC average and then is replaced by kick returner Reuben Droughns who rushes for 1200+ yards, who is then subsequently replaced by former superstar Mike Anderson who after 3 seasons of irrelevancy rushes for 1000 yards and 12 TDs, and then is replaced by Tatum Bell who rushes for 1000 yards in consecutive years.

In Denver, you literally had running backs [perennially] come out of nowhere to post huge statistical years. That's what I mean by "product of the system."

i've de-bunked a lot of your main points in the following posts:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041496566
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041496635
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041497349
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041498225

and my thoughts on priest and the chiefs system:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041496963

[nofx94]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

No. If Terrell Davis isn't in then he doesn't deserve it either. They had about the same career span. But then again I'm a tough evaluater. I am the first person to tell you that Kurt Warner is not a HOFer.

Sent from my 1983 Motorola DynaTAC mobile phone

Everyone else has said it, but what sets TD apart is the Super Bowls he played a crucial part in winning.

I asked you to show me a RB in Denver who averaged 1500 yards rushing and 15 TD's over the span of 4 years. Only Portis did that really in his 2 years.
I mean, if that OL was so good, the system so good, I guess we should put more OL from that team in the HOF and Shanahan and the OL coach or whatever. It couldn't be that Denver actually had a way of finding good talent at RB, and coaching them to showcase that talent in games.

Except that those players came out of nowhere and fell off just as quickly. A short run at the top does not a Hall-of-Famer make. This is the case with Priest Holmes.

From 2001 to 2003 he was as good as or better than anyone in the league. But three great fantasy seasons are not the stuff of legend. He was a good back, but if you take out those three years as the full-time KC starter, his numbers are as follows: 3582 yards and 36 touchdowns rushing on 820 carries, 986 yards and 3 touchdowns receiving on 133 catches over seven years. The rushing numbers are respectable, the receiving numbers not as much.

In either case, it's an average of 500 yards rushing (4.37 y/c) and 141 yards receiving (19 rec/ssn) every season. Those are decent backup numbers. Besides the three golden years in KC, he was only a full-time starter one other time in his career (1998 - 16 games/13 starts; 233 carries, 1008 yards, 7 TDs; 260 receiving yards on 43 catches). He started eight games once, seven games once, four games once, two games twice, and didn't really play at all in 1997 besides one fourteen-yard kick return. After 2004 he never lead a team in rushing, and only led Baltimore once.

I'm beating a dead horse with these stats, but no Priest Holmes is not a Hall of Fame player by any measure I can figure out, including general importance to his team as a leader or utility player.

[jth1331]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Everyone else has said it, but what sets TD apart is the Super Bowls he played a crucial part in winning.

I think everybody against TD should actually look at his postseason stats. Thats against some really good teams and he dominated.

Except that those players came out of nowhere and fell off just as quickly. A short run at the top does not a Hall-of-Famer make. This is the case with Priest Holmes.

The only reason TD and Holmes fell off were due to the injuries they sustained. Thats it. Those other RB's didn't sustain the success TD did, which to me proves TD was on another level.
Holmes in 2004 in 8 games had over 800 yards rushing and 14 TD's. In 8 fricken games. That hip injury he suffered basically ended his career, much like TD's knee injuries ended his.

I'm with you on Holmes not being a HOFer, too bad injuries ruined his career much like TD.

[Shecky Shabazz1]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Priest had a excellent 3 year stretch with 2 of the 3 being phenomenal but its not enough to get him in the Hall. He only had 4 seasons where he played all 16 games. If he could have stayed healthy for a couple more seasons he would probably be in the Hall possibly a first ballad HOFer

[The ArkanSaw]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

Ouch, I would say no but damn was he good when he was good.

This goes to show how hard it is to consistently be a dominant running back. They typically go from great to unproductive very quickly. Priest was the man in 01-03 but if he had played just good from there on out i would say he would eventually squeeze in. If he was elected then guys like Drew Bledsoe and Rich Gannon should get in, which shouldn't happen...

[Caveman24]

Re: Priest Holmes HOFer?

he was great when healthy but naw thats 1 of the guys you talk to your kids about and say if he wasn't injured he would of been 1 of the best kind of like our parents do when speaking of guys like Penny Hardaway and others