MVP Discussion Thread

[Bdubb]

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It's either Peyton or Brady imo.

Just some of Tom's numbers:

• No. 1 in quarterback turnovers (4 INT, 0 fumble), among season-long starters

• No. 2 in Real Quarterback Rating (98.7), our measure of all aspects of QB play

• No. 4 in Offensive Passer Rating (102.3)

*He’s produced 28 touchdowns (25 passing, 3 rushing) this year with a total of just four turnovers. That 7 to 1 TD-turnover ratio is on pace to be the third best single-season mark in NFL history. The two seasons better: Brady’s 37 total TDs and 5 turnovers in 2010 (7.4 to 1) and Aaron Rodgers’ 48 and 6 (8 to 1) in 2011. Both earned MVP honors in those seasons…

*Brady right now leads the greatest offensive machine football has ever seen, about to top 500 points scored for the fourth time in six years… only 10 teams have done it even once.

*Only three teams are within even 100 points of New England’s 430 points scored.

*The Patriots prepare to host the Texans Monday night after winning six straight games. During the streak, Brady [is] now the first and only quarterback in NFL history to win 100 more games than he’s lost. Brady is 133-38 in the regular season and 16-6 in the postseason, tying Joe Montana for the most playoff wins:

[gopher_guy]

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I hope the Vikings make the playoffs, for Adrian's sake. Because if we make the playoffs, it means he had a good last 3 weeks, made it to 2,000 yards (possibly pushing Dickerson's record for most yards ever), and I think he'd have a VERY strong argument for the MVP if that was the case.

[wwharton]

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It's part(although you could say it's small)of the reason why Manning is probably leading the charge for MVP right now. It's a storyline basically.


You can easily say this about Manning as well.


To continue these hypotheticals, if Denver finishes 11-5 and Minnesota finishes 10-6, should Manning still win it(I say still because I already know he's going to win it anyway)?

As for the injury talk, I think Manning going to a new offense and instantly making them possibly the best team in the AFC would have him in the same regard with the MVP race whether he was injured last year or not.

As for the records, actually no. If the records played out like that I would be onboard with AP (in the AP vs Manning debate... someone else like Brady or even Rodgers may enter the picture). I'm not against AP so much as I think others have a better case bc I don't see the Vikings winning that many games and getting in the playoffs. If we're assuming they win 10 games then I'm with you.

Also remember, Jamal Lewis was in this exact same situation with the Ravens, ran for over 2000 yards, got OPOY... as I think he should have. If the only major difference is he didn't come back from injury, I don't really see why that should matter for THIS award.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Times are a LOT different now than they were back then so it'd be naive to think that injuries wouldn't matter for either of their(Manning and Peterson because they ultimately will matter, among other things)cases.

[Chrisksaint]

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AP right now, with what he's doing with Ponder as his QB is nothing short of amazing. Brady is right there however in my book

[wwharton]

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Times are a LOT different now than they were back then so it'd be naive to think that injuries wouldn't matter for either of their(Manning and Peterson because they ultimately will matter, among other things)cases.

We'll see. They add to the story, but wins will always be what matters most. And we're not talking about a 1a/1b situation where you need something to break a tie so to speak. In that case, they'll vote for something that adds to the story. I don't see 1a/1b when talking about vaulting a team that crawled into the playoffs last year to possibly the best in the conference vs someone doing work on a team that doesn't make the playoffs. Like I said, if the Vikings win 10 games I'm with you... I just don't see that happening, and therefore don't see AP's name being mentioned, injury or not.

[x Stinkfist x]

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I think AP deserves it the most, the Vikes would prolly be O fer if he was gone....

[55]

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MVP: Tom Brady
Offensive Player of the Year: Adrian Peterson
Comeback Player of the Year: Peyton Manning

[Bdubb]

Ugh enough of the AP talk, sorry. Elite running back gets you 7 and 6 chasing for the wild card. An elite QB gets you in first place chasing for the Superbowl. So how in today's NFL can you not pick a QB? Manning or Brady honestly.

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[BleacherBum2310]

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I'd go 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Rodgers 4. AP

I respect the heck out of AP but like you guys said it's a QB driven league.

before I get the Homer responses, reasons I put Rodgers in the top 4 is not based on Stats it's based on what they had to overcome this year. One of the worst OL in football, Top 2 WR's have missed significant time and no running game at all.

[gopher_guy]

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Adrian Peterson is without a doubt the most valuable player to his team's success in the NFL.

[Bellsprout]

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We all keep lauding AP for being the only source of offense the Vikings have, and to be sure he's been great, but why doesn't Rodgers get the same plaudits?

The Packers running game (outside of Sunday night) is to running the ball what Ponder is to throwing it.

And it's not like Rodgers has had his full compliment of weapons all year. Jennings has been hurt for most of the year, Nelson is in and out of the lineup, Finley's inconsistent as ****, etc.

[Sportsforever]

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We all keep lauding AP for being the only source of offense the Vikings have, and to be sure he's been great, but why doesn't Rodgers get the same plaudits?

The Packers running game (outside of Sunday night) is to running the ball what Ponder is to throwing it.

And it's not like Rodgers has had his full compliment of weapons all year. Jennings has been hurt for most of the year, Nelson is in and out of the lineup, Finley's inconsistent as ****, etc.

I think Rodgers is a victim of his own success. While he's been good this year, he's just not on the same level as last year. It didn't seem like he missed a pass last year and this year he has come back down to earth a bit, IMO. Still a great QB and a very good year, but not the same as last and I think that hurts him (and not just because of the injuries...he's missed wide open receivers that he didn't last year).

[gopher_guy]

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We all keep lauding AP for being the only source of offense the Vikings have, and to be sure he's been great, but why doesn't Rodgers get the same plaudits?

The Packers running game (outside of Sunday night) is to running the ball what Ponder is to throwing it.

And it's not like Rodgers has had his full compliment of weapons all year. Jennings has been hurt for most of the year, Nelson is in and out of the lineup, Finley's inconsistent as ****, etc.

While you have a point here, IMO the fact the Rodgers is not the best at his position this year plays into it.

What do you have to do to beat the Vikes? Pretty simple, stop Adrian. Everyone knows what's coming, they can't stop it, and AP is by far the best in the league.

Sure, the injury story is helping AP's MVP stock. But the Vikings would be one of the laughing stocks of the NFL. One, maybe two wins.

If the Vikings make the playoffs, I think he should get the MVP no questions asked. If we miss the playoffs, which looks like a likely scenario, it won't be a travesty if someone else gets it, I will probably just disagree with it :wink:

And I strongly disagree with the notion that the MVP should just be the QB of the Year award...

[kingkilla56]

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Ugh enough of the AP talk, sorry. Elite running back gets you 7 and 6 chasing for the wild card. An elite QB gets you in first place chasing for the Superbowl. So how in today's NFL can you not pick a QB? Manning or Brady honestly.

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By this logic, **** everybody not a qb right? I think youre looking for the Davey O'Brien award.