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  • OSUFan_88
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    • Jul 2004
    • 25642

    #226
    Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

    Originally posted by 55
    Eddie George has better career numbers than Lynch across the board (save for about ten less rushing TDs) and he's never going to sniff the Hall of Fame, so no. Plus, the media doesn't like Lynch at all so the voters aren't going to go out of their way to put him in.
    Yeah, but George has just an awful ypa that will never allow him into the Hall.

    But Lynch has literally no shot as of right now. If he has a totally incredible year this coming year, he may creep into the picture. But he is going to need at least...idk, 5 more years of high productivity, and that would be extremely rare for a power back like him.
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    • 55
      Banned
      • Mar 2006
      • 20857

      #227
      Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

      Originally posted by OSUFan_88
      Yeah, but George has just an awful ypa that will never allow him into the Hall.

      But Lynch has literally no shot as of right now. If he has a totally incredible year this coming year, he may creep into the picture. But he is going to need at least...idk, 5 more years of high productivity, and that would be extremely rare for a power back like him.
      Replace Eddie George with either Corey Dillon or Fred Taylor and the same idea still applies.

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      • slickdtc
        Grayscale
        • Aug 2004
        • 17125

        #228
        Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

        Yeah no Lynch for HOF at this point. He needs a couple more seasons at his current pace, which is unlikely. His couple seasons in Buffalo were okay but not near the level he's reached in SEA. But, being on a SB champ and going to back to back SB's could help his case in the eyes of the HOF.

        Revis gets in even today. He's been clearly best at CB for a while now. Asomugha challenged him then promptly disappeared although Sherman has a case. Especially when accounting for the offensive rules that limit defensive players, Revis shines (and on multiple teams). He's gonna put together another couple years and be a sure thing so it'll be moot. Right now it's just how you look at things, but being unarguably the best for this long in this league era is remarkable to me.
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        • SPTO
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          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #229
          Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

          I agree with the consensus, no on Lynch in the HOF.
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          • bkrich83
            Has Been
            • Jul 2002
            • 71582

            #230
            Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

            Originally posted by rangerrick012
            I know this is an old thread, just thought I'd bump it bc of an ongoing debate my friend and I have.

            Darelle Revis. I know the whole Revis island thing and him being the best shut down corner for awhile. But I can't really see how he's had a HOF career, while my friend mentions him along Ed Reed and Polamolu and ahead of Charles Woodson.

            So Revis, hall of famer?
            If he keeps playing like he is, how is he not. Quite possibly the best players at his position during his era, and one of two or three semblences of a lock down CB, in an era designed to make lock down CB's extinct.

            If you go on how he compares to players of his era, and he plays at a high level for a few more seasons, I don't see how he's not.
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            • jWILL253
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              • Jun 2008
              • 1611

              #231
              Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

              Meh. I can see the argument for Lynch NOT being a HoF'er. I mean, he's only 4th on the Hawks all-time leading rusher list (IMO, his ceiling for that would only be second place, as Shaun Alexander has everyone else beat by 3,000 yards.), and his years in Buffalo were meh.

              At the same time, I'm not sure of what the standard is for a HoF ballot. If it's "an elite player who plays at a very high level for over a long period of time", or "elite players with rings", then Lynch would be first ballot. If the standard is "absolute record breaker", then Lynch doesn't fit that standard.

              As for the media stuff someone alluded to... well then I say GTFO like I do when it comes to the baseball HoF. Why let any of that foolishness affect the vote for a player's ballot? Judge them for what they do in the field, nothing else matters.
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              • redsox4evur
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2013
                • 18169

                #232
                Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                Revis is a no doubt HoFer for me. He got the ring this past season. And in my mind that makes him a no doubter. But if he gets another one. I will go so far as to say highly probable 1st ballot guy. As others have stated he is the best CB in the league. He is a great shutdown CB. And without him the Patriots do not even make the SB this year.

                Lynch, no way...the media stuff is going to hurt him. Like how suspicion of steroids has hurt Jeff Bagwell and Mike Piazza up to this point. And also as of right now. He stacks up with guys like Eddie George, Brian Westbrook and Clinton Portis. Do you see any of them as HoFers. I am on the fence about George but can't see Westbrook or Portis as HoFers.
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                • jWILL253
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                  • Jun 2008
                  • 1611

                  #233
                  Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                  Originally posted by redsox4evur
                  Revis is a no doubt HoFer for me. He got the ring this past season. And in my mind that makes him a no doubter. But if he gets another one. I will go so far as to say highly probable 1st ballot guy. As others have stated he is the best CB in the league. He is a great shutdown CB. And without him the Patriots do not even make the SB this year.

                  Lynch, no way...the media stuff is going to hurt him. Like how suspicion of steroids has hurt Jeff Bagwell and Mike Piazza up to this point. And also as of right now. He stacks up with guys like Eddie George, Brian Westbrook and Clinton Portis. Do you see any of them as HoFers. I am on the fence about George but can't see Westbrook or Portis as HoFers.
                  How is Lynch on the same level as those guys? If rings are qualifiers, Lynch has one. Those RB's you mentioned don't.
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                  • 55
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                    • Mar 2006
                    • 20857

                    #234
                    Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                    Rings mean squat if you're 35th on the all-time rushing list and you were a prick to the media (the people that actually get to vote for you or not) for your entire career.

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                    • bkrich83
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #235
                      Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                      Originally posted by jWILL253
                      How is Lynch on the same level as those guys? If rings are qualifiers, Lynch has one. Those RB's you mentioned don't.
                      Exactly. His argument makes no sense.
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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #236
                        Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        Exactly. His argument makes no sense.
                        The actual argument without all the words was that one of them played for the Patriots and the other didn't.

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                        • redsox4evur
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 18169

                          #237
                          Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                          Originally posted by kehlis
                          The actual argument without all the words was that one of them played for the Patriots and the other didn't.
                          Ok let me clarify...Revis is the top CB in his generation, and the knock on him is he has never won a ring. So now that he has a ring, he is a HoFer. And as 55 said his stats don't qualify him for the HoF and the fact that the media hates him. IF I was a media member who had an NFL vote, even before Revis got his ring I would give him my vote, he is the top CB in the league right now. And is arguably the best of his generation. So taking rings out of it, Lynch doesn't have the stats right now to put him in the HoF. But with the ring he could be inducted but will not because the media hates him. And a better comparison could be Corey Dillon. Dillon has 3 more TD's than Lynch and around 2,500 more rushing yards. So is Corey Dillon a HoFer?

                          Also if you want to simplify my OP, it was that Revis is top CB in his generation with a ring. And Lynch has mediocre stats and media hates him.
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                          • jWILL253
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1611

                            #238
                            Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                            Originally posted by redsox4evur
                            Ok let me clarify...Revis is the top CB in his generation, and the knock on him is he has never won a ring. So now that he has a ring, he is a HoFer. And as 55 said his stats don't qualify him for the HoF and the fact that the media hates him. IF I was a media member who had an NFL vote, even before Revis got his ring I would give him my vote, he is the top CB in the league right now. And is arguably the best of his generation. So taking rings out of it, Lynch doesn't have the stats right now to put him in the HoF. But with the ring he could be inducted but will not because the media hates him. And a better comparison could be Corey Dillon. Dillon has 3 more TD's than Lynch and around 2,500 more rushing yards. So is Corey Dillon a HoFer?

                            Also if you want to simplify my OP, it was that Revis is top CB in his generation with a ring. And Lynch has mediocre stats and media hates him.
                            Troy Aikman is #65 on the all-time career TD list, and he was inducted in 2006.

                            Earl Campbell is#33 on the all-time rushing yards list (Lynch is two spots behind), and he was inducted in 1991. He also doesn't have a ring.

                            Stats are only meaningful when people want them to be.

                            Also, not speaking to the media =/= being a dick to the media.
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                            • redsox4evur
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 18169

                              #239
                              Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                              Originally posted by jWILL253
                              Troy Aikman is #65 on the all-time career TD list, and he was inducted in 2006.

                              Earl Campbell is#33 on the all-time rushing yards list (Lynch is two spots behind), and he was inducted in 1991. He also doesn't have a ring.

                              Stats are only meaningful when people want them to be.
                              OK do you think Corey Dillon is a HoFer? Because they have similar numbers and each only has 1 ring. As I said Dillon's stats are a little better.
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                              • jWILL253
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                                • Jun 2008
                                • 1611

                                #240
                                Re: Is (Insert Player Here) A Hall of Famer?

                                Originally posted by redsox4evur
                                OK do you think Corey Dillon is a HoFer? Because they have similar numbers and each only has 1 ring. As I said Dillon's stats are a little better.
                                On general statistics, yes. But since everyone will remember him more because of his stint with the Patriots, it should be noted that the year he won the Super Bowl was an anomaly of a season in the middle of a downward trend. His last year in Cincy, he finished with 541 yds. After the Super Bowl season, he finished with 733 yds in 2005, and 812 in 2006. People are probably soured on his downward trend. Also, how much of that Super Bowl success was because of Dillon? Honestly.

                                Lynch as been gold for Seattle ever since he came to town. And everyone knows how important he is to this team.
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