Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Broncos86]

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This is why a team like the Packers are champs. They don't change their game plan. 55 - 10? Throw that ball! Blitz that QB! Sometimes I think coaches try to out-think their opponents and they end up out-thinking themselves.

"He thinks we're gonna blitz, but then he'll think we think he thinks we're gonna blitz. So we'll show blitz, then drop back, then actually blitz! Yesss."

The best job a coach can do is put his players in a position to succeed.

[wwharton]

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This is why a team like the Packers are champs. They don't change their game plan. 55 - 10? Throw that ball! Blitz that QB! Sometimes I think coaches try to out-think their opponents and they end up out-thinking themselves.

"He thinks we're gonna blitz, but then he'll think we think he thinks we're gonna blitz. So we'll show blitz, then drop back, then actually blitz! Yesss."

The best job a coach can do is put his players in a position to succeed.

I agree with you but Packers fans have been complaining weekly about "taking the foot off the pedal" so they aren't the best example. Maybe the 09 Pats and we know how they were criticized. Anywho...

You have examples of the Skins vs Boys this year. They were blitzing like crazy and it was working. Then 3rd and long with the game on the line what do they do? Send an all out blitz again of course. Bryant gets one on one with a guy half his size and the Boys pick up the blitz and complete 3rd and 17 for the win.

It is a fine line. Going to a softer D that limits one huge play in those situations seems to work more often than not.

[Jonsco28]

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I didn't think Miami did anything that was really questionable. It's easy to judge everything in hindsight, but what happened on Sunday was anything but typical. In the history of the NFL, no team has done what Denver did on Sunday. It just doesn't happen.

Think about it... When Denver got the ball back with a little over five minutes left, they needed 2 TD's and a 2-point conversion just to tie. They had NO timeouts and a long field in front of them. Things just went their way. Could Miami have done things differently? Sure, but who would have every thought things would have unfolded the way they did? Miami probably would be okay 99.9% of the time with the scheme they called. Throw in the favorable call on Damaryius's TD (I thought the ball moved), the onside recovery, the amazing catch by Fells, and Tebow's 2-point conversion...it just all worked out. If Miami had recovered the onside kick, Tebow would have had one meaningless TD pass and he'd be getting hammered even harder than he is.

It bothers me hearing people crucify Sparano for going for two, saying that cost them the game. In hindsight, maybe... but I thought it was the correct call at that particular moment in the game. Kicking the extra point and going up by 13 didn't do them any good (he didn't know they were going to get another field goal). Denver still needed two TD's. You lose with 12 or 13 points if Denver scores 2 TD's, so going for two made sense to me.

[av7]

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Teams do move the ball A LOT in those situations. What doesn't usually happen is recovering an onside kick and having to worry about a QB running as much. I don't think I would say the prevent allowed Tebow to look good in the clutch, but I do think Tebow's got a long way to go to produce against more complex blitzing defenses like what was played earlier in the game. Any young QB should be expected to struggle there though... his was just extra special (may be Fox's gameplan with him too).

I took issue with the notion that the only reason a comeback happened was because of prevent. If prevent was such a gimme, then other teams with better QBs who are behind should be able to comeback more often. Tebow can't win no matter what, there's always a reason and its getting ridiculous to me and I'm not even standing on either side of the fence. The guy made plays at the end but its diminished even though he still has to make them

[wwharton]

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I took issue with the notion that the only reason a comeback happened was because of prevent. If prevent was such a gimme, then other teams with better QBs who are behind should be able to comeback more often. Tebow can't win no matter what, there's always a reason and its getting ridiculous to me and I'm not even standing on either side of the fence. The guy made plays at the end but its diminished even though he still has to make them

I hear you but there is something to the thought. The way I see it, it was an amazing comeback and Tebow had a big part of it. But if anything went wrong (could be anything not related to him) the only story would be how horrible he played. So on one hand, of course it wasn't just the prevent that made it happen but on the other hand, the comeback doesn't erase the other 55 mins of play.

I'd say just try to ignore the people on both sides and hope this week Tebow shows something that can give a better evaluation.

[Broncos86]

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Bottom line: you HAVE to execute. You either execute or you do not. In those last two drives, Tebow executed. Tebow needs to be able to execute during the other 55 minutes, but he at least brought it together. The throws he made were dead on strikes to the right wide receivers.

Nobody loses because of one play. Games are culminations of a multitude of plays. So Sparano went for two. It would've been a moot point had Prater hit two field goals. Or missed one in OT. Or Miami scores on their first possession in OT. All of this adds up. "What-ifs" are abound throughout the game. If he made this catch, if he made that tackle. It goes on and on.

[Jonsco28]

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Dumervil is likely out again this week. I'm starting to wonder if he's ever going to get back to the level play that Denver had in mind when they signed him to that huge contract. Even when he's been on the field, his production has been mediocre at best. I had visions of Miller and Doom wreaking havok in the backfield this year. Maybe he's never been truly 100% healthy. Whatever it is, something's just not right. Hopefully it's just bad luck.

I think Elvis only has a handful of tackles. I never thought I'd say this, but Ayers has been more of a factor this year.

[Broncos86]

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It's amazing to me just how snake-bitten some players are. D.Thomas, Moreno, and Dumervil just can't seem to stay on the field. Dumervil could be today's most dominant player if he can just stay healthy.

[RAZRr1275]

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What happened to Demaryius Thomas? He got 10 targets last week and this week he only gets one ball. Is it safe to say that decker is back to being the #1 guy or is this just a one week thing?

[Broncos86]

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What happened to Demaryius Thomas? He got 10 targets last week and this week he only gets one ball. Is it safe to say that decker is back to being the #1 guy or is this just a one week thing?

A) D. Thomas cannot run routes. I keep saying it, he cannot run routes. His injuries have hindered him immensely, and it shows in his ability to genuinely get open.

B) Tebow was terrible. TERRIBLE.

C) Decker is a better WR right now. He can run routes, he catches the ball, he knows how to use his body to shield from defenders.

Last week, Thomas was barely in the game. He had a couple catches and a couple drops. But was largely a non-factor against Miami. If he was "targeted" ten times last week, I'd imagine many of those were throw-aways by Tebow.

[Jonsco28]

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Definitely not many bright spots today. There are so many things wrong with this team, I wouldn't even know where to start.

I went into this game hoping to see Tebow take some maturation steps, but I didn't see it. His numbers are always good in the fourth quarter, but they lie. He gets those yards in garbage time when the defense backs off. Denver had -17 passing yards midway through the third quarter (they had 2 yards passing midway through the fourth quarter last week). Horrible. He has shown no ability to direct or sustain any drives. If he keeps playing this way, he's not going to get the rest of the season to prove himself.

There is no question that their defense is not very good, but three-and-outs are killing this team.

[jth1331]

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Definitely not many bright spots today. There are so many things wrong with this team, I wouldn't even know where to start.

I went into this game hoping to see Tebow take some maturation steps, but I didn't see it. His numbers are always good in the fourth quarter, but they lie. He gets those yards in garbage time when the defense backs off. Denver had -17 passing yards midway through the third quarter (they had 2 yards passing midway through the fourth quarter last week). Horrible. He has shown no ability to direct or sustain any drives. If he keeps playing this way, he's not going to get the rest of the season to prove himself.

There is no question that their defense is not very good, but three-and-outs are killing this team.

Playcalling needs to be loads better. Too many times he was practically set up to fail IMO.
Might as well give him the rest of the season. I mean, seriously, why not? So we can trot out Orton in meaningless games?

Not to mention the OL is atrocious, especially Beadles and Franklin. Those guys are turnstiles right now, causing a lot of problems for Tebow.

[Broncos86]

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Playcalling needs to be loads better. Too many times he was practically set up to fail IMO.
Might as well give him the rest of the season. I mean, seriously, why not? So we can trot out Orton in meaningless games?

Not to mention the OL is atrocious, especially Beadles and Franklin. Those guys are turnstiles right now, causing a lot of problems for Tebow.

I totally disagree. The play-calling was specifically designed to help Tebow. It was more of a spread offense to help him out and give him something familiar.

You CANNOT ask an offensive line to block for forever while your QB ponders where to throw the ball. Tebow needs to get the ball out of his hands. The offensive line has been one of the brighter spots of the of our season. Moreno averaged 4.9 YPC. Tebow had the time in the pocket. But his indecision forces the line to block for twice as long. We all know, you cannot ask the best offensive lines to block for that long consistently.

[kehlis]

Yea I thought the playcalling was ten times better than last week.

We all said if you're going to put tebow in, call plays that give him a chance to succeed.

The Broncos did that and he looked atrocious.

[jth1331]

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I totally disagree. The play-calling was specifically designed to help Tebow. It was more of a spread offense to help him out and give him something familiar.

You CANNOT ask an offensive line to block for forever while your QB ponders where to throw the ball. Tebow needs to get the ball out of his hands. The offensive line has been one of the brighter spots of the of our season. Moreno averaged 4.9 YPC. Tebow had the time in the pocket. But his indecision forces the line to block for twice as long. We all know, you cannot ask the best offensive lines to block for that long consistently.

What game were you watching? It wasn't a spread offense at all.
Line up with a 6 OL, 1 TE, 1 FB and 1 RB look and run the ball on 1st down, no gain. Run on 2nd down for 2 yards, 3rd and 8. Then ask Tebow to throw a ball against a very good front four blitzing with long developing routes.
Where were the 3 WR plus 1 TE looks with quick slants, bubble screens, etc?

That said, Tebow still is looking atrocious. He actually has regressed IMO from last year, and I still think McCoy needs to go.
Also, we need to move Franklin to G and get a new RT. Both are doing terrible pass blocking and I don't know how you can argue anything but that. On the fumble returned for a TD, Beadles completely whiffed on his block and Frankling got abused on his side, leaving two guys in split seconds on Tebow. Orton would've shat the bed on that play.