NHL 15 Hasn't Updated Its Player Ratings Since Launch

[Moose24x]

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This is a real big problem in my life right now. I actually went and created new versions of Forsberg and Lehtera and moved the originals to national teams because they stand out as the most egregiously mis-rated players to me, but I can't do that for every guy like Hayes and Duclair on my Rangers or guys like Mirco Mueller who is playing regularly for SJ but is something like a 69. In the baffling - literally probably my biggest gripe with any game I've played this decade - absence of the ability to edit players, the LEAST EA could do is update the ratings now that we can see which rookies are sticking around, which young players have taken steps forward and which older players have declined.

[brandon27]

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It's unacceptable IMO. After the shell of a game we got, they could at least support it with proper roster updates. If roster editing was in, it wouldn't be that big of a deal I guess, but as it stands, its just sad, and unacceptable.

[pm83]

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Sorry it's not lined up better, but you see the point. The range on a good team like the Rangers is 66 to 87. Lemieux was highest at 100 along with a couple others, but the guys that weren't great were rated as such Gtrezky was only an 88 because of his decline in skills by then. Most teams in 15 are 80-100 now and that is the problem. I just wish when EA updated the rosters they would use this wider spread like they used to and make the 3rd and 4th liners play just like that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they stop using wider scale years ago after some real NHL players were crying about their "low" ratings?

[speels]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they stop using wider scale years ago after some real NHL players were crying about their "low" ratings?

I think you're right, but I mean come on, you have the ability as a company to make the spread between 2 numbers be as big as you want. I could make the spread in speed between 98 and 97 as big as a spread between 90 and 60 if I wanted to.
I have no problem with the higher ratings for "political correctness" but make the spread wider between numbers.

Whiny bitches these players are!!

[jyoung]

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Sidney Crosby is the high point right now at 96 overall.

Capitals center Liam O'Brien is currently the lowest rated NHL player at 63 overall.

But that range is deceiving, because most of the 60-70 overall players on teams' rosters right now are rated that low because they were called up from the minor leagues, and then EA never updated those players' ratings above a "minor league" level.

The vast majority of NHL players in this game are clumped together in the 80-89 range, which is part of why there's no real separation in how players perform on the ice.

For comparison, the player ratings in NHL 94 ranged from 100 (Mario Lemieux) to 29 (Greg Smyth).

[speels]

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That being said, NHL games now have to makeup a range of skill levels as well. Back in 97 there was only the NHL, but now you have the AHL, CHL, etc. Until EA comes up with a "League level rating" that translates when you change leagues, we are going to have to endure these tight ratings. Let's look at Ekblad as an example. In the CHL he would be a mid to high 90, in the AHL he would be a mid to high 80, but in the NHL he would be a mid to high 70.

The thing is players come out of lower leagues with NHL calibre abilities, ie Morgan Reilly speed, but they come out with lower league mental abilities, ie Morgan Reilly defensive awareness. NHL needs to do a better job of not increasing player skills so much as the mental aspects of those skills. Morgan Reilly has the speed to keep up with NHL players, but he lacks the knowledge of how to stop them and how best to defend. A lot of player come up with the size to hit people, but the knowledge of when and where to hit them is learned.

I think for sports games to get it right in player development and roster development they need to pit the focus more on the mental aspects of the sports and less on the physical. In my scenario, shot accuracy is a mental aspect as is pass accuracy. Speed is physical , but getting open would be mental.

[spidertour02]

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As of this writing, not a single NHL player has received a change to his overall rating since NHL 15 shipped on September 9.

Technically untrue -- Anthony Duclair of the Rangers went from a 69 overall to a 74 overall after the season opened.

The point is still a good one, though. There needs to be some happy medium between the schizo rating changes in Madden and the complete lack of changes in NHL. The starting ratings are a bigger problem, in my opinion, which seems to be what the article is really about.

[tabulaRasa]

Actually in NHL95 I think one player had 1 overall.

[tabulaRasa]

Forsberg on Nashville was a high ranked draft prospect, was a star in the world juniors, has delievered in NHL but is still 79 overall. Stupid.
But then again Carl Söderberg in Boston is a 79 to I guess, and last year he was in the top of points per minutes played in NHL.
STUPID!

[bibibanax]

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Actually in NHL95 I think one player had 1 overall.

Shawn Chambers in NHL 93

[actionhank]

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Forsberg on Nashville was a high ranked draft prospect, was a star in the world juniors, has delievered in NHL but is still 79 overall. Stupid.
But then again Carl Söderberg in Boston is a 79 to I guess, and last year he was in the top of points per minutes played in NHL.
STUPID!

It's fair. He's not a superstar yet.
People look too deeply into the overall. The Revamped team looked it the right way. The overall has become stupidly overrated. What should be important is having ratings that accurately grow and shrink with experience and age, and more importantly, ratings in the right categories that actually reflect the real world abilities.
Dynamic ratings would be the best fit. Players could get hot and cold. If a guy is on a scoring streak he'll see a bump in his shooting and passing ratings. A guy who is dominating on defense might see a bump in his stick checking and defensive awareness. Same for goalies.
And when players are doing poorly they would have their stats reflect that.
Instead what we have now is players who are pretty much only judged by their overall. Everyone's worried about how highly rated Ovechkin is, but what's more important would be the small things. He's obviously a bigger hitter than someone like Datsyuk, but Datsyuk is the better than Ovechkin in terms of defensive skills. But, by overalls, they aren't that far apart, and in terms of scoring, they shouldn't be.

There's just so much that needs to be done. There should be a difference in between players with their ratings between the CHL, AHL, and NHL. Maybe something that adjusts everyone's ratings. So, players would have their accurate ratings, people like Ty Rattie would have great shooting, but get pushed around, kids like McDavid would be dominant, but then, when they get to the NHL, they will still have struggles.

EA has a lot to work on, and ratings is a big one.

[Moose24x]

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It's fair. He's not a superstar yet.
People look too deeply into the overall. The Revamped team looked it the right way. The overall has become stupidly overrated. What should be important is having ratings that accurately grow and shrink with experience and age, and more importantly, ratings in the right categories that actually reflect the real world abilities.
Dynamic ratings would be the best fit. Players could get hot and cold. If a guy is on a scoring streak he'll see a bump in his shooting and passing ratings. A guy who is dominating on defense might see a bump in his stick checking and defensive awareness. Same for goalies.
And when players are doing poorly they would have their stats reflect that.
Instead what we have now is players who are pretty much only judged by their overall. Everyone's worried about how highly rated Ovechkin is, but what's more important would be the small things. He's obviously a bigger hitter than someone like Datsyuk, but Datsyuk is the better than Ovechkin in terms of defensive skills. But, by overalls, they aren't that far apart, and in terms of scoring, they shouldn't be.

There's just so much that needs to be done. There should be a difference in between players with their ratings between the CHL, AHL, and NHL. Maybe something that adjusts everyone's ratings. So, players would have their accurate ratings, people like Ty Rattie would have great shooting, but get pushed around, kids like McDavid would be dominant, but then, when they get to the NHL, they will still have struggles.

EA has a lot to work on, and ratings is a big one.

People would worry about overall less if EA implemented it correctly. If they're going to have overall calculated the way that it is, the game needs to rate players for their type and role. Basically, if someone like Brian Boyle is going to be an 84 in this game (which I believe he is) he needs to be rated as an 84 BOTTOM SIX player and PK specialist. Then the game will only dress him (talking about the CPUS controlled teams in GM/BAP mode) in a bottom six role and on the PK (assuming they don't have four more highly rated players who also possess the "penalty killer" attribute). People's obsession with overall comes from the fact that as things currently stand, after you begin a GM and the CPU controlled Preds encounter one injury or shuffle their lines, Forsberg becomes a fourth liner with poor line mates and little ice time which in turn makes his stats poor and stunts his growth. If the game only drew from top six types to populate the top six, middle six or "tweener" types for the 2nd and 3rd line and bottom six/energy/grinder types to populate the bottom six than the ratings system would work better and people wouldn't care so much about overall. Right now if Tampa has an injury to a top six player, Brian Boyle could end up on the 1st or 2nd line when the appropriate thing to do would be to call up Drouin or Connolly to fill an injury in the top six and keep Boyle in his checking role despite his 84 rating.

[actionhank]

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People would worry about overall less if EA implemented it correctly. If they're going to have overall calculated the way that it is, the game needs to rate players for their type and role. Basically, if someone like Brian Boyle is going to be an 84 in this game (which I believe he is) he needs to be rated as an 84 BOTTOM SIX player and PK specialist. Then the game will only dress him (talking about the CPUS controlled teams in GM/BAP mode) in a bottom six role and on the PK (assuming they don't have four more highly rated players who also possess the "penalty killer" attribute). People's obsession with overall comes from the fact that as things currently stand, after you begin a GM and the CPU controlled Preds encounter one injury or shuffle their lines, Forsberg becomes a fourth liner with poor line mates and little ice time which in turn makes his stats poor and stunts his growth. If the game only drew from top six types to populate the top six, middle six or "tweener" types for the 2nd and 3rd line and bottom six/energy/grinder types to populate the bottom six than the ratings system would work better and people wouldn't care so much about overall. Right now if Tampa has an injury to a top six player, Brian Boyle could end up on the 1st or 2nd line when the appropriate thing to do would be to call up Drouin or Connolly to fill an injury in the top six and keep Boyle in his checking role despite his 84 rating.

Definitely agree. It's crazy how they setup things in the game. It's also still annoying that centers don't automatically take faceoffs in odd-man situations or 4 on 4. I just wnat EA to pull a miracle with NHL16 and make it great.

[betweenthepipes]

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They need to stop focusing on the accessory crap. Presentation, graphics, etc. mean nothing without good gameplay.

They've been lazy from 12-15.

[Cletus]

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If they updated rosters how will the one guy who does the updates keep pumping out specialty HUT cards? You guys at OS complain too much about what makes this game great. Dangle, Snipe, Celly.

It wouldn't surprise me if 2 guys worked on updates (outside of gameplay fixes which might add another guy). They did hire a real hockey scout so rosters are accurate. I think he scouted under Milbury with the Islanders because Martin Hanzal has an 86 shot accuracy but shoots about 7% in real life.