Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

[Qb]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

I'm in love with this post.

To go along with what you said, it is difficult to rate most players on acceleration vs speed because there just aren't scouting reports out there that always tell you that stuff. For example, a big resource I use for the Revamped Rosters is The Hockey News. They give pretty good scouting reports for all NHL players, but sometimes even for some of the fastest skaters in the league, it will not even mention his speed.

Without advanced player tracking metrics -- which the upcoming World Cup will feature -- it is hard to quantify. When I had the time to watch a lot of hockey and do a deeply edited roster of my own (NHL08?), I went with a combo of scouting reports, my "eye test", and stats (for things like checking, blocked shots, and faceoffs).

Skating is a tough one, but there a ways to create some differentiation without going wild. Take a guy like Lidstrom later in his career; not a speedster by any stretch, but a very smooth skater and quick to the puck (more due to his intelligence but hey). So I'd go with high agility, slightly above average acceleration, and average speed. With my skating scale -- I considered 80 "NHL quality" -- that worked out to something like 90AGL/84ACC/80SPD. Nothing drastic from the 85-85-85 (or higher) he probably had, but definitely something you'd feel in gameplay switching from him to young Darren Helm at 80AGL/90ACC/89SPD (IDK, just pulling that out of hat).

This probably won't help much but I just want to quickly input that I like to keep the speed up high because when you see a game (especially in person) guys are skating around pretty fast, even slower guys as well. I like to keep that speed element there. What I felt makes the most difference is acceleration. When I did my own roster edits I just generally made older guys slower by giving them a slower acceleration and younger guys faster with better acceleration, which is pretty obvious that younger guys are gonna generally be faster anyway.

I feel you. I didn't use a very wide range for speed ratings, with most NHLers falling between 80-90. As I said above, I considered 80 NHL quality, so only guys who known for being slow or the common scouting phrase of "below average skater" (which I interpreted as AGL rather than SPD) would dip much below 80. I agree acceleration makes a big difference and like the idea of younger guys having more explosiveness, but also agility is a great way make the great skaters stand out, or conversely, the bad ones.

Crosby and Kane or two good examples; I'd say they both have above average speed (85+), but what sets them apart is how quickly they can change speeds and direction (AGL & ACC!). That's part of what makes them great IRL, and if the entire league was rated on a similar scale, it'd make them stand out when you're on the sticks too.

[thejudicata]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

Without advanced player tracking metrics -- which the upcoming World Cup will feature -- it is hard to quantify. When I had the time to watch a lot of hockey and do a deeply edited roster of my own (NHL08?), I went with a combo of scouting reports, my "eye test", and stats (for things like checking, blocked shots, and faceoffs).

Skating is a tough one, but there a ways to create some differentiation without going wild. Take a guy like Lidstrom later in his career; not a speedster by any stretch, but a very smooth skater and quick to the puck (more due to his intelligence but hey). So I'd go with high agility, slightly above average acceleration, and average speed. With my skating scale -- I considered 80 "NHL quality" -- that worked out to something like 90AGL/84ACC/80SPD. Nothing drastic from the 85-85-85 (or higher) he probably had, but definitely something you'd feel in gameplay switching from him to young Darren Helm at 80AGL/90ACC/89SPD (IDK, just pulling that out of hat).




I feel you. I didn't use a very wide range for speed ratings, with most NHLers falling between 80-90. As I said above, I considered 80 NHL quality, so only guys who known for being slow or the common scouting phrase of "below average skater" (which I interpreted as AGL rather than SPD) would dip much below 80. I agree acceleration makes a big difference and like the idea of younger guys having more explosiveness, but also agility is a great way make the great skaters stand out, or conversely, the bad ones.

Crosby and Kane or two good examples; I'd say they both have above average speed (85+), but what sets them apart is how quickly they can change speeds and direction (AGL & ACC!). That's part of what makes them great IRL, and if the entire league was rated on a similar scale, it'd make them stand out when you're on the sticks too.

Yeah I agree a lot with what you say. EA's interpretation of "skating" is very one-dimensional and not accurate.

A lot of the top players in the game don't necessarily have the best straight line speed. What really separates them is their change of direction ability combined with anticipation.

As a Stars fan, I've seen Hemsky or Eaves skate extremely fast in a straight line towards the net....where they crash into eveybody, make a mess, and squander a chance. Meanwhile Benn lacks straight line speed, baits a player and then quickly out-accelerates to get body position and its a goal.


Actually Trevor Daley was the guy that probably drove me the most nuts with his crazy straight line speed that never materialized into much. Glad he put together more with Pitt.

[SocialAssassin]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

46 players with a rating of 90 +
That's ridiculous.

And after year one of franchise, those guys will all make 10 million dollars each, and everyone's cap will be effed up. With the ratings this high, everyone is making 5-6M each. It makes a complete mess of franchise.

[il_tedesco]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

Do you remember when NHL had realistic Ratings? https://youtu.be/z5LhBN9-5IQ

Today there is no difference between players. 87+ for Superstars. 83-87 first Liner. 78-82 Second Liner. 72-77 third liner. 71- 65 fourth Liner. Just like Fifa or NBA 2k. That's how it should be.

[SocialAssassin]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

Do you remember when NHL had realistic Ratings? https://youtu.be/z5LhBN9-5IQ

Today there is no difference between players. 87+ for Superstars. 83-87 first Liner. 78-82 Second Liner. 72-77 third liner. 71- 65 fourth Liner. Just like Fifa or NBA 2k. That's how it should be.

Hell, go back to NHL 94, the reason why the rosters are the way they are now.....there were guys rated 2. And because of that, the PA has this rule where the ratings are like this.

[SocialAssassin]

Re: Top 50 Rated Players in NHL 17

NHL 94 ratings

Team-Highest Rated-Lowest Rated-Team Overall

Anaheim, Terry Yake 66, Stu Grimson 37, 51

Boston, Ray Bourque 99, Jim Wiemer, 41, 76

Buffalo, Alex Mogilny 96, Gord Donnelly 43, 73

Calgary, Theo Fleury 86, Greg Smyth 29, 75

Chicago, Ed Belfour 98, Stu Grimson 37, 78

Dallas, Mike Modano 82, Enrico Ciccone 38, 67

Detroit, Steve Yzerman 95, Jim Hiller 45, 75

Edmonton, Petr Klima 76, Louie DeBrusk 42, 67

Florida, Gord Murphy 63, Bill Lindsay 42, 52

Hartford, Zarley Zalapski 80, Mark Greig 36, 66

Los Angeles, Wayne Gretzky 87, Rene Chapdelaine 32, 74

Montreal, Patrick Roy 94, Todd Ewen 40, 73

New Jersey, Scott Stevens 76, Myles O'Connor 32, 68

New York I, Pierre Turgeon 82, Dennis Vaske 38, 66

New York R, Mark Messier 85, Mike Hartman 40, 74

Ottawa, Norm MacIver 61, Gord Dineen 39, 55

Philadelphia, Eric Lindros 84, Dave Brown 35, 69

Pittsburgh, Mario Lemieux 100, Jay Caufield 36, 75

Quebec, Joe Sakic 83, Tony Twist 33, 71

San Jose, Doug Wilson 65, David Maley 38, 56

St. Louis, Brett Hull 81, Kelly Chase 37, 69

Tampa, Brian Bradley 71, Chris Lipuma 35, 56

Toronto, Doug Gilmour 89, Ken Baumgartner 38, 72

Vancouver, Pavel Bure 90, Tim Hunter 46, 71

Washington, Peter Bondra 78, Jason Woolley 39, 70

Winnipeg, Teemu Selanne 90, Andy Brickey 44, 72

Anaheim: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 0, 60's - 3, 50's - 1, 40's - 11, 30's - 3

Boston: 90's - 2, 80's - 1, 70's - 3, 60's - 7, 50's - 8, 40's - 4, 30's - 0

Buffalo: 90's - 2, 80's - 1, 70's - 1, 60's - 5, 50's - 6, 40's - 10, 30's - 0

Calgary: 90's - 0, 80's - 3, 70's - 5, 60's - 4, 50's - 6, 40's - 6. 30's - 0, 20's 1

Chicago: 90's - 1, 80's - 3, 70's - 4, 60's - 3, 50's - 6, 40's - 6, 30's - 2

Dallas: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 3, 60's - 4, 50's - 6, 40's - 9, 30's - 1

Detroit: 90's - 1, 80's - 3, 70's - 1, 60's - 7, 50's - 10, 40's - 3, 30's - 0

Edmonton: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 3, 60's - 7, 50's - 6, 40's - 9, 30's - 0

Florida: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 0, 60's - 3, 50's - 3, 40's - 11, 30's - 0

Hartford: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 2, 60's - 6, 50's - 4, 40's - 11, 30's - 1

LA: 90's - 0, 80's - 3, 70's - 4, 60's - 4, 50's - 5, 40's - 8, 30's - 1

Montreal: 90's - 1, 80's - 1, 70's - 4, 60's - 7, 50's - 2, 40's - 9, 30's - 0

New Jersey: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 4, 60's - 9, 50's - 3, 40's - 8, 30's - 0

New York I: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 2, 60's - 5, 50's - 7, 40's - 9, 30's - 1

New York R: 90's - 0, 80's - 3, 70's - 4, 60's - 8, 50's - 2, 40's - 8, 30's - 0

Ottawa: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 0, 60's - 3, 50's - 5, 40's - 16, 30's - 1

Philadelphia: 90's - 0, 80's - 2, 70's - 3, 60's - 1, 50's - 8, 40's - 8, 30's - 3

Pittsburgh: 90's - 1, 80's - 1, 70's - 5, 60's - 2, 50's - 3, 40's - 11, 30's - 2

Quebec: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 5, 60's - 5, 50's - 5, 40's - 7, 30's - 2

San Jose: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 0, 60's - 3, 50's - 6, 40's - 14, 30's - 2

St. Louis: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 5, 60's - 2, 50's - 5, 40's - 11, 30's - 1

Tampa Bay: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 1, 60's - 1, 50's - 9, 40's - 11, 30's - 3

Toronto: 90's - 0, 80's - 1, 70's - 6, 60's - 4, 50's - 6, 40's - 6, 30's - 1

Vancouver: 90's - 1, 80's - 0, 70's - 4, 60's - 7, 50's - 6, 40's - 7, 30's - 0

Washington: 90's - 0, 80's - 0, 70's - 5, 60's - 7, 50's - 3, 40's - 8, 30's - 1

Winnipeg: 90's - 1, 80's - 1, 70's - 3, 60's - 5, 50's - 6, 40's - 9, 30's - 0

90's - 10, 80's - 28, 70's - 77, 60's - 112, 50's - 137, 40's - 230, 30's - 25, 20's - 1

Now? 46 90's, the rest are 80's and a very select few are 70's. Think about that? 38 people were rated higher than 80. 38.