NHL 19 Open Beta Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here - Extended to August 3

[Fiddy]

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Wow how quickly things have turned. Huge disparity between the first couple pages of this thread and the last.

Looks like they've already messed with gameplay and things have gotten worse. I've never in my life experienced a game with more of a rollercoaster ride, up and down, in terms of gameplay in my life. Good to bad to playable to worse to playable. Makes it that much worse when the first build of the beta was hands down the best version!


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Nothing has gotten worse at all. They just toned down pole check trips when facing players. Also made a change to show player separation via skater between builds.

So if anything it has gotten a bit better.

[Godzillaboss300]

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I hope the nhl 19 create a team they put in the mighty Ducks logo and the Cleveland Barons logo. Is the create a goal horn only in world of Chel.

[Gerg04]

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Nothing has gotten worse at all. They just toned down pole check trips when facing players. Also made a change to show player separation via skater between builds.



So if anything it has gotten a bit better.

Good! I'd love to see that translate to release. Beta during the last 2 years was also phenomenal only to revert back, both times...so we'll see if iasts.

The first few pages of this thread we're nothing but praise... and the more recent posts are more negative. Something must have changed.

I haven't had a chance to play for a couple days so I have no idea, am only going off these impressions.


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[Fiddy]

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Good! I'd love to see that translate to release. Beta during the last 2 years was also phenomenal only to revert back, both times...so we'll see if iasts.

The first few pages of this thread we're nothing but praise... and the more recent posts are more negative. Something must have changed.

I haven't had a chance to play for a couple days so I have no idea, am only going off these impressions.


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My buds and I always say this, but every year the first two weeks are the best then they cater to the complainers and change things that didn’t need changed.

[MizzouRah]

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I rarely having anything good to say about EA or this series but I have to give EA credit on this tuner. It did exactly what they say it did and it was needed. In no way did they cater to the poke spammer. I played 2 games so far with this tuner and in the first game my opponent rage quit after taking his 5th penalty in the first period. All he did was spam poke from behind which should lead to penalties. My second game I played someone who knows how to play. He took only 3 penalties (2 poking from behind) I took 2 (1 from behind and 1 from the side when I got burned). I felt more in control on D and Making a good defensive play felt rewarding.

Glad EA took the feedback and corrected this along with the boarding.

Here are 2 other things I would like to see addressed. 1) On the powerplay D men are staying right on top of the blue line and I feel like 50% if my passes to the point result in an offsides because of this. 2) I hate the way a slower defender seems to get a magic boost and catches you on what should be a breakaway.

Overall I never have fun playing online due to horrific teammate AI and cheesers but I’m acyually having fun provided I play against someone who knows the game. I have yet to lose a game because of my idiot AI teammates, something that happened all the time in 18.

If offline play is as good or better than my online experience has been I may be sold. Would still love to hear a roster share is in. I do share everyone’s concern about EA jacking things up with patches and tuners but this one was a good one.

This is encouraging, I value your thoughts so I'm glad you're seeing good things from the latest tuner. I refuse to play online so hopefully they keep taking feedback and improving the game before release. I've already preordered and I'm in the process of putting the final touches on my last NHL 18 season.

[bwiggy33]

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Played a few games last night. I cannot believe they did what they did to poke checks. Making the game more sim is just mind blowing. I can just see all of the complaining from guys who don't know how to play defense. However, I cannot see how they will keep the poke check changes they released because so many people will complain that it's too difficult to get the puck.

The game plays quite nicely for what it is. It still needs new goalies, neutral zone pressure (just a hunch despite not having played the CPU), and more player individuality, but I just don't think those will come anytime soon. If they had those along with cleaning up some of the brain dead CPU moments the game would be very good. I like how the reach of players when stick handling is nowhere near as far as years past. The stick handling is actually pretty realistic and more on the NHL 2k10 side where hands barely extend outside a players body. This is definitely a step in the right direction as long as they don't cater to those who will complain about the changes that make the game more realistic.

[handheldpictures]

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That response from EA was a solid explanation of things. Probably one of the most well thought out responses we ever have got for an NHL game. If they are lying through their teeth then they dug deep with that long response.

They needed to adjust the face to face angle for poke checks and did, maybe they can tune it back up a bit in due time.

- We improved our collision detection of the stick on the offensive players body, their stick and the puck itself. This is probably the biggest change regardless of what we do with penalties that makes pokes from behind less effective.

Really? Then why does my stick still go through the players body, skates, stick and puck, as I mentioned in my previous post, along with the boards and net? It's so obvious that a script is involved in determining when your stick is going to make contact with the puck or player, and when it isn't. The majority of time it will make contact, but then out of the blue, aka when a goal is coming up against you, your stick is suddenly ineffective. I'm just sick and tired of feeling like my player is suddenly incapable of doing anything to prevent a goal, and I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. It's been like this for years.

So when he talks about improved collision detection, that's just one big lie, as absolutely nothing has changed in that regard. Yes the skating is faster and more responsive, but the games will still play out the same as they have for the last number of years. Improving one aspect of the game sure isn't going to fix all of the other problems that are still plaguing this game.

[stevostl]

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Well, thank you EA...for screwing up a perfectly fine game.

I was 29-11-5 before the new tuner, now I'm 32-18-7. Game is now back to the original poke-fest it's always been. I was so *** **** excited about the game...now I wanna throw my controller through my TV. You've just lost a sale.

that's funny your basing buying the game on one tuner update. you know they release tuner updates often right? overreaction much? I played last night in 3 v 3's and I didn't notice a poke check fest back on at all yet

[Fiddy]

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- We improved our collision detection of the stick on the offensive players body, their stick and the puck itself. This is probably the biggest change regardless of what we do with penalties that makes pokes from behind less effective.

Really? Then why does my stick still go through the players body, skates, stick and puck, as I mentioned in my previous post, along with the boards and net? It's so obvious that a script is involved in determining when your stick is going to make contact with the puck or player, and when it isn't. The majority of time it will make contact, but then out of the blue, aka when a goal is coming up against you, your stick is suddenly ineffective. I'm just sick and tired of feeling like my player is suddenly incapable of doing anything to prevent a goal, and I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. It's been like this for years.

So when he talks about improved collision detection, that's just one big lie, as absolutely nothing has changed in that regard. Yes the skating is faster and more responsive, but the games will still play out the same as they have for the last number of years. Improving one aspect of the game sure isn't going to fix all of the other problems that are still plaguing this game.

Feel free and post some visual proof of it happening.

I see sticks, skates, arms, legs at times go through the boards for sure.

But every trip myself and or my team have took has been a trip. I wish a few of those went through skates and legs so we didn’t give up a PP goal or two to lose a game.

I’m sure it happens, but you are out here acting like this happens every time someone has the puck. Again, if you are correct feel free to post the videos because I’m curious to see them.


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[bwiggy33]

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- We improved our collision detection of the stick on the offensive players body, their stick and the puck itself. This is probably the biggest change regardless of what we do with penalties that makes pokes from behind less effective.

Really? Then why does my stick still go through the players body, skates, stick and puck, as I mentioned in my previous post, along with the boards and net? It's so obvious that a script is involved in determining when your stick is going to make contact with the puck or player, and when it isn't. The majority of time it will make contact, but then out of the blue, aka when a goal is coming up against you, your stick is suddenly ineffective. I'm just sick and tired of feeling like my player is suddenly incapable of doing anything to prevent a goal, and I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. It's been like this for years.

So when he talks about improved collision detection, that's just one big lie, as absolutely nothing has changed in that regard. Yes the skating is faster and more responsive, but the games will still play out the same as they have for the last number of years. Improving one aspect of the game sure isn't going to fix all of the other problems that are still plaguing this game.

I haven't noticed scripting in this beta yet, but that's also because it's online play. Needless to say, scripting sadly occurs in every one of EA's games. It always has, at least since the 360/PS3 days. That's just how EA develops their CPU AI. It's an easy way to make the game difficult instead of spending a good chunk of time to make CPU AI organic. I hate that it occurs, but that's the way it is. You either have to stop buying/playing the game, or you bite the bullet and live with it. It sucks, but it's reality and with no other hockey option (other then 2k roster updates and the 2KHS) you are either forced to buy or not have a hockey game. I've done that myself. I haven't bought NHL full priced since roughly NHL 15 and I can tell you this, my life has been much better because I haven't had to rant on this website like I used to. I just know that few if any of the offline AI improvements that I want, are actually going to be done.

[KomicJ]

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that's funny your basing buying the game on one tuner update. you know they release tuner updates often right? overreaction much? I played last night in 3 v 3's and I didn't notice a poke check fest back on at all yet

Well, more often than not, when they do release a new tuner, the game takes a step backwards. So it's kinda hard for me to expect them to go back to what it was.

Stick lifts were already strong enough of a tool, players being more hesitant to go for a poke was a good thing. It isn't anymore. Now, it feels I'm getting poke from every angle, passes and being intercepted because they magically hit a stick that it just shouldn't hit, people are overcharging again because of how confident they are that their poke will be succesful...

That's the thing with the latest tuner for me. It doesn't just change the game...it changes the mentality of every online player to a point where the experience isn't fun. People are charging on you, even on the PK, because they know it'll work more often than not...and even if it doesn't, chances it will result in a penalty is now a lot less likely.

You can say I'm overreacting...but at the end of the day, I'm not the one who was crying about pokechecks after only a few days of testing, resulting in EA making changes that just weren't necessary. I caught up to the fact that pokes were a lot more challenging this year, adjusted my way of playing the game, and was pleasently surprised with the outcome. And I'm an EASHL defenseman. I should be happy about getting a wider window. But I'm not. Because, like I said, it changes the dynamic and the mentality of the online players. And not in a good way in my opinion.

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Feel free and post some visual proof of it happening.

I see sticks, skates, arms, legs at times go through the boards for sure.

But every trip myself and or my team have took has been a trip. I wish a few of those went through skates and legs so we didn’t give up a PP goal or two to lose a game.

I’m sure it happens, but you are out here acting like this happens every time someone has the puck. Again, if you are correct feel free to post the videos because I’m curious to see them.


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Sorry Fiddy, but in my original post I was basing it on the play I described when the game was 1-1 with 10 seconds to go. I never said it happens every time someone has the puck, but appears to occur more often in the last 10 seconds of a period or when a game is on the line from what I've experienced. I uploaded a video to Xbox Live last year when the exact same thing I'm describing here happened in OT. Viewing the replay, my stick was going back and forth right through the players legs, skates, and puck as he was skating through the middle with his shot ending up in the top corner for the winning goal. It's honestly like the game was saying that this is going to be a goal no matter what you try to do to prevent it.

If you've never noticed this issue yourself while playing then of course you'll be skeptical, but every single person on our club team has noticed it at times as well. Unfortunately I didn't record it happening in the beta, but all I can tell you is that both myself and my friend were laughing out loud at how obvious the script was in this case. But who knows, maybe this just occurs in EASHL club games and not in drop-in, because now thinking about it, I don't believe I've ever noticed it in a drop-in game.

[snc237]

Played a few games with the new tuner.  Thought it was good, I didn’t get a trippinng call when i was in good in position in front of my man. Sorta hard to get a true feel because everyone I played now is terrified to try a poke check lol. 

[nuttyrich]

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Can't they just give us NHL '04, with updated graphics and rosters I would be cool with that :-)

In all honesty what a person posted above is true it doesn't look play a lot better but man the goalie is so out of whack it destroys the game, and then now yeah is trying to balance out for simulation and arcade people, they will never get a medium in ground, the people who love the Poke check and find it hard to get the puck they are on the same side, the people who don't want to even try to play defense they're going to want a poke fest and just smash buttons that's the way it goes.

I would gladly Fork over $24.99 for NHL 04 with updated Graphics updated roster and some animations don't need to change hardly anything the game was amazing.



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[jyoung]

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I rarely having anything good to say about EA or this series but I have to give EA credit on this tuner. It did exactly what they say it did and it was needed. In no way did they cater to the poke spammer.

Nothing has gotten worse at all. They just toned down pole check trips when facing players. So if anything it has gotten a bit better.

Played a few games with the new tuner. *Thought it was good, I didn’t get a trippinng call when i was in good in position in front of my man. Sorta hard to get a true feel because everyone I played now is terrified to try a poke check lol.*

I agree with all three of y'all. My experience in the EASHL games that I've played since the tuner update has been that pokes from the front with high-rated defenders who have an appropriate amount of space between their stick and the puck are consistently safe to make now. Before the update, that situation was producing some seemingly random tripping penalties, but now, it feels about 90% safe to poke in favorable scenarios like that.

And pokes from the back, from the side, or from the front when you don't have enough space to fully extend your stick (you should be using the stick lift or just skating into the puck carrier in that situation) are correctly getting called as penalties.

You just have to learn what the proper angle/spacing is to safely poke check this year or you'll end up like these poor saps:

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Played a few games last night. I cannot believe they did what they did to poke checks. Making the game more sim is just mind blowing. I can just see all of the complaining from guys who don't know how to play defense. However, I cannot see how they will keep the poke check changes they released because so many people will complain that it's too difficult to get the puck.

The NHL series gives people 5 options to get the puck back (poke check, stick lift, skill stick, body check, incidental collision), but people only used 1 of those defensive options last year (poke check) because it was overly effective and much too safe.

People just need to relearn how to use all 5 of their tools on defense instead of stubbornly relying on 1 tool (poke check) to bail them out of every situation like it could in NHL 18.