From Reddit: EA intentionally removed “full presntation” this year

[PernellKarl076]

Re: From Reddit: EA intentionally removed “full presntation” this year

Yep even more so this year when despite the fact we all know that every years "new" game is just a copy/paste job from the previous year but to do a copy/paste job again this year while removing things, like the presentation options and it being a choice they made willingly with no explanation as to why just makes it so much worse.

To be fair here, if you've played the trial, it's not a copy and paste… The graphics, the amazing crowds and the gameplay have all been upgraded, and for me the on ice action have never felt better ! The game's atmosphere is exceptional IMO.

[jake19ny]

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Their presentation was terrible last year. Hopefully this means they are revamping the whole thing for NHL 24. Hoping...

Unfortunately this is said every year....hopefully NHL 20, hopefully NHL 21, hopefully NHL 22, hopefully NHL 23....the sad reality is HUT is their cash cow and there really is no reason to listen to the offline serious hockey fan. We get subtle changes, some enough to get us to buy it and by the middle of November the HUT babies cry enough and the game gets patched to play exactly like the year before.

[tyler289]

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This is insane when literally one of the big "upgrades" this year was presentation. It defies actual logic!

I know it is a small dev team, but this is straight-up hostile to players and there's no explanation for removing options. Pathetic from these guys, seriously, on a professional level. Imagine developing a game and literally deciding to take away something for a segment of your players for no reason other than to...piss them off? Makes no sense.

I usually give these guys the benefit of the doubt because they have, in the past, given us offline guys some options to make the game better than it is. But this is just such a bummer. I'm really happy I got this game simply through Gamestop credit rather shelling out $70.

[scitychamps87]

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To be fair here, if you've played the trial, it's not a copy and paste… The graphics, the amazing crowds and the gameplay have all been upgraded, and for me the on ice action have never felt better ! The game's atmosphere is exceptional IMO.

I agree on this point. Though the way the new intros were advertised is quite disappointing. Seems to be more of an EASHL/HUT/ custom franchise team upgrade than anything real-life.


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[BigBadAss33]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/EA_NHL/comm...nse_to_nhl_23/

For the people speculating it would be added after the trial. Confirmed by the EA community manager. It’s out by design this year and probably not coming back.

This combined with strategies being removed from franchise, I am out this year. Have fun boys

There is NO way they removed STRATEGIES from franchise?

Please provide proof?

[tyler289]

Re: From Reddit: EA intentionally removed “full presntation” this year

I agree on this point. Though the way the new intros were advertised is quite disappointing. Seems to be more of an EASHL/HUT/ custom franchise team upgrade than anything real-life.


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If you watch the presentation video, every 10 seconds the guy says, "for World of CHEL and EASHL." I thought this was to emphasize that you can create your own and use them online, too. But it turns out he was covering the legality of announcing a new feature that is implied available for everyone, but is actually only for people who play online. Just really scummy all-around.

Removing replays and already-recorded lines about goaltenders is just aggressively hostile to offline players that I can't help but think Rammer decided to make offline play so lame to push as many people as possible to HUT and EASHL.

[PernellKarl076]

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I agree on this point. Though the way the new intros were advertised is quite disappointing. Seems to be more of an EASHL/HUT/ custom franchise team upgrade than anything real-life.


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For my short time with the game, I've seen hats on the ice for a hat trick, I've seen players lift their stick for either pointing to an open teammate or on a line change. And I've only saw the ‘’desperation'' move once, but it was well done. But in small doses, it's perfect IMO. Was afraid that would be spammed out of control, lol !

I don't know about the on ice intros though… Sometimes I saw them playing home and sometimes nothing… Probably not to again be too repetitive I guess.

[Therebelyell626]

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There is NO way they removed STRATEGIES from franchise?

Please provide proof?

Proof? Go play the trial my guy its not there. Check me track record on this forum, I have never been one to pass off any false information for purposes of simply trashing a game. Also, there is another thread on this same forum where someone playing the trial confirmed that strategies are restricted to a pre-game adjustment only. Which means they only can be changed on a per game basis and not universally in franchise mode.

This also means that you are stuck with whatever strategies you start the mode with, because even when you make a coaching change (same as it has been since they introduced the coaching staff feature) your strategies stay on the default strategies of your original coach. You used to be able to manually change them to match up with your new coaches philosophy, but you can no longer do that. This makes coaching staffs a completely useless feature.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-nhl/1002645-nhl-23-trial-available-now-ea-play-subscribers-13.html

Here you go! Confirmed by a user on this forum you can only change strategies on a per game basis and they do not carry over. Also confirming coaching changes do not replace the pre set strategies. It’s also all over Reddit and EA official forum if you want to go have a look

[Kinvarus]

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To be fair here, if you've played the trial, it's not a copy and paste… The graphics, the amazing crowds and the gameplay have all been upgraded, and for me the on ice action have never felt better ! The game's atmosphere is exceptional IMO.

I have played it and it's still mostly a copy and paste job, like always they add little things to it. The crowds are better yes but when they promote one major selling point of what they've improved being the presentation and then willingly remove half the presentation that's bad. And I'm sorry but 2 seconds of the National Anthem and a slightly more reactive crowd does not make up for removing all the other intros, goalie comparisons and all the in game replays outside of when a goal is scored.

[PernellKarl076]

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I have played it and it's still mostly a copy and paste job, like always they add little things to it. The crowds are better yes but when they promote one major selling point of what they've improved being the presentation and then willingly remove half the presentation that's bad. And I'm sorry but 2 seconds of the National Anthem and a slightly more reactive crowd does not make up for removing all the other intros, goalie comparisons and all the in game replays outside of when a goal is scored.

I agree with you about them removing something that was already there was dumb… And I've already said so…But…

Maybe it's because I play with the action Camera, but to not notice a somewhat major overhaul in graphics, atmosphere, crowds, vendors, play by play and gameplay is mind blowing…. I even saw camera flashes before a face off last night… Ok it's nothing major you might say, but it adds to the great atmosphere of NHL23 !

[BigBadAss33]

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Proof? Go play the trial my guy its not there. Check me track record on this forum, I have never been one to pass off any false information for purposes of simply trashing a game. Also, there is another thread on this same forum where someone playing the trial confirmed that strategies are restricted to a pre-game adjustment only. Which means they only can be changed on a per game basis and not universally in franchise mode.

This also means that you are stuck with whatever strategies you start the mode with, because even when you make a coaching change (same as it has been since they introduced the coaching staff feature) your strategies stay on the default strategies of your original coach. You used to be able to manually change them to match up with your new coaches philosophy, but you can no longer do that. This makes coaching staffs a completely useless feature.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-nhl/1002645-nhl-23-trial-available-now-ea-play-subscribers-13.html

Here you go! Confirmed by a user on this forum you can only change strategies on a per game basis and they do not carry over. Also confirming coaching changes do not replace the pre set strategies. It’s also all over Reddit and EA official forum if you want to go have a look

This seems crazy to me but regardless it wont stop me from getting it..

strategies never really mattered anyway only to try and get a good fit with your coach for the 1st 2 years..

thanks for the info

[Therebelyell626]

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This seems crazy to me but regardless it wont stop me from getting it..

strategies never really mattered anyway only to try and get a good fit with your coach for the 1st 2 years..

thanks for the info

Strategies never really mattered?

They are literally probably the most important immersion factor of franchise mode. The trade deadline and coaching staffs were the big ADD for franchise mode a couple of years ago, and now the feature has zero bearing on franchise mode.

I would even go further and say it makes drafting players and scouting completely obsolete. CPU teams draft the best player possible. If you have a team that starts off with a defensive strategy and the players they draft are offensive players it puts the CPU at a HUGE disadvantage. They will literally never be able to change their scheme to match their players! To me that’s a pretty big deal. This will also lead to franchise mode being roughly the same teams doing the same things for the 25 year duration. No parity. To most franchise players that is a really big deal

If your one of those guys who likes just playing the games and winning 5 cups in a row by our scoring your opponents 8-2 every game, then yes. I guess the strategies being stuck in default doesn’t really “matter”. For most franchise players we value the challenge of “team building”. That is why we play franchise mode and not HUT

My vitriol is not pointed at you btw. It’s pointed at the comment it “doesn’t really matter”. Probably 75% of the franchise mode base will tell you that team building immersion and a somewhat passable broadcast package we’re the only thing making franchise mode worthy of playing

[bwiggy33]

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It is absolutely asinine why this was removed. Now I just feel rushed the entire game. It's even worse than when MLB The Show decided to remove slow from their pace of play option. I actually had a couple of nice games the other night. I had a lot of pressure when entering the zone and it was really challenging on All Star with full CPU difficulty and Al Tito's sliders. With removing this broadcast stuff I really don't think I'll be buying. I played NHL 21 a lot because I actually liked the game a ton, until I found how easy it was to get past a defenseman on the boards for a breakaway. That killed it for me. However, one of the things that made that broadcast super fun was the in-between whistles cameras. One of the coolest little things I've loved in a sports game was that NHL allowed you to rotate the camera with the left stick between play and look at the entire arena. It was so damn cool. I didn't play more than a couple hours of my 22 trial but they had that same feature as well.

All of the immersion into the game is now gone because I'm sure they have statistics saying this is how many people skip to the next faceoff so lets remove it because offline people don't matter. Absolutely infuriating and the fact they touted the presentation makes it worse. At the same time this is not shocking. EA in a nutshell now.

[CujoMatty]

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I would never entertain the idea that the development team is too small or the cycle is too short.

EA makes 1.5 billion a year on ultimate team through Madden, Fifa and NHL combined. They paid the NFL 1 billion and the players assoc 500 million for a 5 year licensing deal and 150 million a year to Fifa per year for licensing. I couldnt find info on the amount they pay the NHL but it would be less than those im sure so for arguments sake lets say 100 million a year. They would still make 5 billion dollars over a 5 year span. Thats not even including actual game sales. EA makes about 1.6 billion for game sales a year across their entire catalog so lets say conservatively 500 million of that is for these 3 games. Thats another 2.5 billion in 5 years. 7.5 billion EA would make in 5 years.

They could hire more people to reach deadlines and assure quality they just choose not to.

I know NHL isnt as popular as fifa or Madden but its still probably responsible for 1 billion of that profit in 5 years.

So again.
They could hire more people to reach deadlines and assure quality they just choose not to.

Im 48 and remember when EA was the king of all video game sports. Now its just a running joke of greed and poor quality. The sad thing is every year(me included) we just feed the monster and complain after on the internet(me included). I just want them to be so much better.

[Spragga]

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comparing the presentation in FIFA and NHL is just crazy. FIFA nailed the presentation. Nothing beats the sound of the crowds / chants in FiFA, it takes full advantage of 7.1 / 5.1 sound. NHL literally has no presentation this year at all, just makes me sad honestly.