EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Cross crease is still easy. Just don't 1 time it. Let the puck sttle and shoot far side. Watch the goals rack up.

[AtlantaLarry]

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I'm not sure what you mean by "re-implement". Vision control is still there. There is a bug (that will need a patch to address) makes it drive the direction to face from the left stick direction in situations where it shouldn't,

How does it work, then? Every time I hold L2 to square up to the net, with or without the puck, my skater does a 180 and turns his back to the net. Am I doing something wrong? What I try to do now instead is sort of tap L2 to get him to face in the general direction, but it's not very consistent and pretty touchy. Am I just experiencing the bug? (I don't fully understand the explanation I don't think)

[Redshirt_EA]

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How does it work, then? Every time I hold L2 to square up to the net, with or without the puck, my skater does a 180 and turns his back to the net. Am I doing something wrong? What I try to do now instead is sort of tap L2 to get him to face in the general direction, but it's not very consistent and pretty touchy. Am I just experiencing the bug? (I don't fully understand the explanation I don't think)

It has never been "face the net". On offense (without puck) it is orienting you to face the puck, and/or net depending on context.

[AtlantaLarry]

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It has never been "face the net". On offense (without puck) it is orienting you to face the puck, and/or net depending on context.

You're right, I worded that wrong, should've said "square up for a shot."

I just went into practice mode to mess with it; it looks like when I have the puck he always turns 180 degrees and holds that until it's released. Then I left the puck to one side and skated around, and it seems like the Vision Contol is just extremely unresponsive at best. Sometimes my skater just wouldn't face the puck at all until I tried re-triggering it several times. Other times there would literally be a couple seconds of delay before he turned to face it, and then every now and then he'd square up pretty quickly. Is this the bug at work?

[Al_Tito13]

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I would love to see all of the following tweaked for goalies:

-- decrease lateral quickness
-- decrease desperation save frequency

-- increase rebound control
-- increase screen effect

That would definitely get the goalies playing a lot more realistic than they are now.

This sums up the problem really well. While I think goalies are way too good right now (tuner 1.04) on shots from the slot, lateral movements and desperation saves, they are really weak on rebound control. I think goalies were good enough on release day (tuner 1.00) on shots from the slot, but were too good on lateral movements. Right now, they are just too good in general on almost everything, but they are not able to control rebounds what so ever. I really think goalies need some work right now to get the right balance, but the gameplay otherwise is pretty good. According to me, the suggestions from jyoung about the goalies are right on the target and I hope it gets addressed pretty soon.

[jtricoli]

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This sums up the problem really well. While I think goalies are way too good right now (tuner 1.04) on shots from the slot, lateral movements and desperation saves, they are really weak on rebound control. I think goalies were good enough on release day (tuner 1.00) on shots from the slot, but were too good on lateral movements. Right now, they are just too good in general on shots from the slot or cross crease passes, but they are not able to control rebounds what so ever. I really think goalies need some work right now to get the right balance, but the gameplay otherwise is pretty good. According to me, the suggestions from jyoung about the goalies are right on the target and I hope it gets addressed pretty soon.

I play user goalie almost exclusively, and I'm not sure it's so much rebound control as it is the horribly slow goalie save animations. After I make a save the goalie will go into one of the several save animations, and I'm frozen in that position until the animation completes even when I'm attempting to move in the direction of the rebound for the following shot.

It's the same issue as how long it took skaters to get back up after they fell down after loosing an edge in NHL 12. I don't know why EA makes such animations take so long to complete, but there you have it.

I've been highlighting this issue since release and really hope it's addressed in a patch.

Jtric

[Al_Tito13]

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I play user goalie almost exclusively, and I'm not sure it's so much rebound control as it is the horribly slow goalie save animations. After I make a save the goalie will go into one of the several save animations, and I'm frozen in that position until the animation completes even when I'm attempting to move in the direction of the rebound for the following shot.

It's the same issue as how long it took skaters to get back up after they fell down after loosing an edge in NHL 12. I don't know why EA makes such animations take so long to complete, but there you have it.

I've been highlighting this issue since release and really hope it's addressed in a patch.
Jtric

You may be right about animations, but I'm talking about AI goalies and the fact that they often look like pinball machines, even from very slow wrist shots from the blue line. Most of the time, if you shoot low, they will give a jucy rebound right in the slot, even if the shot is really weak like I said. I thought rebound control from goalies was better in NHL 12, but right now it's back similar to NHL 11. AI goalies are not well balanced at all, they will steal you almost every time on high percentage plays and let a lot of weak goals going in.

[onlybygrace]

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My problem is that a 2 on 0 is a worse scoring chance than a 1 on 0 (against a CPU goalie).

True...however, I feel the same as Section25, in that the challenge is greater since the 'go to' play for many gamers is gone. Other scoring plays still work well, providing a great sense of variety in goals.

I have found personally, that if you are cycling the puck in the zone, cross crease plays still work so long as you aren't constantly trying to pull them off. I think the CPU learning picks up on it, enhancing even more the CPU goaltenders anticipation of the play.

If people would pick their spots a little better, they may have more success on the backdoor passes.

[Al_Tito13]

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I think it depends a lot of the settings you're using. Last night, I played one game online (something I really don't do often) and I was surprised to be able to score 2 one timer goals. I see one timer goals very rarely offline. I also scored from a clean wrist shot from the slot. The thing is that I play offline on hardcore with pass assist at 0 and low shot accuracy to get a realistic and sloppy gameplay. Goalies are way too good right now for settings like these, they are tuned for online play with high pass assist where you see tape to tape passes all game long and shots going exactly where you want them to go on one timers. I don't know, maybe goalies could only be tuned down for offline play on hardcore mode?

[AtlantaLarry]

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True...however, I feel the same as Section25, in that the challenge is greater since the 'go to' play for many gamers is gone. Other scoring plays still work well, providing a great sense of variety in goals.

I have found personally, that if you are cycling the puck in the zone, cross crease plays still work so long as you aren't constantly trying to pull them off. I think the CPU learning picks up on it, enhancing even more the CPU goaltenders anticipation of the play.

If people would pick their spots a little better, they may have more success on the backdoor passes.

Ok, but what if you are constantly actually pulling them off? I don't care if it were an actual rule that only one-timers will be counted as goals; if you execute enough of them, you will have some measure of success. Everyone knew that Brett Hull was setting up for the one-timer on the PP, he scored them nightly anyway.

And strictly speaking of the EASHL right now, I just don't see any other scoring plays working "well" other than low shots for rebounds. And even then I'd say there's been an inordinate amount of miraculous saves in that scenario, too.

I love that it's more difficult to make the plays now, but that flips to absolute frustration when you do make them and are almost never rewarded.

[bukktown]

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That's it exactly. In NHL 13 if I am on a 2-0 I'm just going to shoot rather than pass. Even if I pull off the pass and quick shot, the goalie is going to make the highlight reel save on me. On the other hand if I just pick a corner and shoot it is more likely to go in.

But.....if you immediately pass it back to the original puck carrier the net will be WIDE..OPEN...

[der juicen]

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God, stop ****ing with the goalies. They already give up some extremely stupid goals. For example, the new go to goal is to (if on a break away or penalty shot) float up to the goalie with a wrist shot ready and shoot it to the opposite side. No dekeing required. It's great fun!

[Tonic]

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Redshirt, is this still being evaluated? There is a lot of discussion at EA's forums about one-timers and goalie reaction speed. Thanks

[hydroshubong]

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On cross-crease passes from one player to another, the goalies have warp-like speed to get over and make the save. Granted, this should happen from time to time, but not almost every time like it does now. Goalies making this incredible of a save should be the exception, not the rule, and right now, that isn't the case. Here's a good video to sum up the problem with the goalies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nMmLyhqXi64

There's also some discussion on the EA forums which can be found here:

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/9008351.page

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/9280401.page;jsessionid=38F68AC7FC0662A1DB5A658FB719C5CF

Hopefully this can be addressed in the next tuner update. Goalies are just simply too quick from post to post. Feel free to post your comments below!

I 100% agree with johnny suberbman!!! EA, you should look at the 1st video !!!