The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

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  • statum71
    MVP
    • Nov 2006
    • 1985

    #31
    I'm just hoping for season mode (multiplayer).

    Otherwise, no use in me buying it.
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    • ericromain
      Rookie
      • Jul 2010
      • 211

      #32
      EA NHL had a lot more transparency a few year ago (NHL09-NHL10 era) When David Littman would give us quick clips breaking down subtle nuances of changes. There were live chats, developer blogs, redshirt used to come on the forums, a ton of community outreach talking about how much they are listening to the hardcore guys, and Littman (being an ex NHLer himself) really made me believe that the game was being made by hockey fans for hockey fans. I've never really had that vibe from rammer.
      I don't think they've stopped listening, but they've stopped reaching out.
      NHL 14 kinda gave us all the features all at once in May and we've just been riding the sizzle trailer train all summer.
      Perhaps we're seeing an oddball year for the launch of next gen, where so much had to be rebuilt that they are afraid to call out what is getting squeezed in and what has to be cut.

      It is a shame that they are keeping us in the dark this year over some tough cuts.

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      • kerosene31
        Some say he...
        • Dec 2004
        • 1898

        #33
        Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

        Originally posted by Hollywood88
        The other thing is who ever said that a game needs to come out right before the season? If the nhl team is understaffed put the game out later rather the put out a "this is the best we could do in our development window."
        I never understood why the NHL game has to come out before training camps even start. I always found it odd that NHL hit the streets before Fifa. The rosters are a complete mess when the game drops. They used to have to race 2k to get their game out, but that doesn't happen anymore.
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        • canucksss
          MVP
          • Jan 2003
          • 2956

          #34
          Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

          Originally posted by ericromain
          EA NHL had a lot more transparency a few year ago (NHL09-NHL10 era) When David Littman would give us quick clips breaking down subtle nuances of changes. There were live chats, developer blogs, redshirt used to come on the forums, a ton of community outreach talking about how much they are listening to the hardcore guys, and Littman (being an ex NHLer himself) really made me believe that the game was being made by hockey fans for hockey fans. I've never really had that vibe from rammer.
          THIS! Ever since that Ram took over....the franchise started the downhill slide fast. NHL 12 was the worst, IMO, no penalties in BaGM and you'd be lucky to get 2 in a game with 10 mins per period, AS difficulty. UNREALISTIC! And whats in the game? Goalie fight??: YEA BABY....dumb!

          I dont know why they cannot have add more people to work on this.....because they want greater profit?? Sure....i hope if EA cannot include eashl, NHL 15 will hit bottom and will not make any profits....more of a loss so that new people can come in and really, seriously, make the necessary changes to make this NHL Game reflect the real NHL.


          Great write up BTW.

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          • Fiddy
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            • Jul 2002
            • 12675

            #35
            Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

            Originally posted by ericromain
            EA NHL had a lot more transparency a few year ago (NHL09-NHL10 era) When David Littman would give us quick clips breaking down subtle nuances of changes. There were live chats, developer blogs, redshirt used to come on the forums, a ton of community outreach talking about how much they are listening to the hardcore guys, and Littman (being an ex NHLer himself) really made me believe that the game was being made by hockey fans for hockey fans. I've never really had that vibe from rammer.
            I don't think they've stopped listening, but they've stopped reaching out.
            NHL 14 kinda gave us all the features all at once in May and we've just been riding the sizzle trailer train all summer.
            Perhaps we're seeing an oddball year for the launch of next gen, where so much had to be rebuilt that they are afraid to call out what is getting squeezed in and what has to be cut.

            It is a shame that they are keeping us in the dark this year over some tough cuts.
            when he took over, it made me wonder. then i seen his tweets, and i see why the series is where it is now. very frustrating!
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            • 18 eighty 5
              Yellow n Black
              • Sep 2008
              • 926

              #36
              Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

              It would seriously suck if EA locked away the NHL license and then canned the series entirely. Bringing a 'If we cant have it no one can' mentality.
              We are the music makers...

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              • bigwill33
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2281

                #37
                Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                Originally posted by Retropyro
                You didn't pay for "Early Access", the program is called "EA Access", which was stated to have "limited time trials 5 days before release". Not "here's the full retail copy 5 days early to play until your heart's content".
                I don't know what I've paid for because they keep making the rules up as they go along.

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                • ChitownFan526
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 56

                  #38
                  This article is terrific. Well written and 100% on target with the real problems plaguing this company. Pro-business isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but the part where you start alienating your fan base...that's bad for business in the long run.
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                  • Smirkin Dirk
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5178

                    #39
                    Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                    The article states EASHL players make up 10% of the NHL market.

                    But I'd imagine that 10% may be the difference between profit and loss for the franchise.
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                    • TheFlamingWeazel
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 407

                      #40
                      People need to vote with there wallet like they did when MS was also doing (and stil is to some extent), trying to dupe gamers, hiding behind silence or shady PR language. I wont be buying NHL 15 it is a travesty EA cannot even communicate this to the consumer. Anyone supporting tis is a part of the problem with modern gaming in general. I don't support companies like Ms and EA who would rather pay to keep a game off a platform for a period of time then to create there own IP's, or refuse to invest in the proper resources into a game because they have the only hockey game on the market.

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                      • actionhank
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 1530

                        #41
                        Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                        Originally posted by ericromain
                        EA NHL had a lot more transparency a few year ago (NHL09-NHL10 era) When David Littman would give us quick clips breaking down subtle nuances of changes. There were live chats, developer blogs, redshirt used to come on the forums, a ton of community outreach talking about how much they are listening to the hardcore guys, and Littman (being an ex NHLer himself) really made me believe that the game was being made by hockey fans for hockey fans. I've never really had that vibe from rammer.
                        I don't think they've stopped listening, but they've stopped reaching out.
                        NHL 14 kinda gave us all the features all at once in May and we've just been riding the sizzle trailer train all summer.
                        Perhaps we're seeing an oddball year for the launch of next gen, where so much had to be rebuilt that they are afraid to call out what is getting squeezed in and what has to be cut.

                        It is a shame that they are keeping us in the dark this year over some tough cuts.
                        Agreed. Those updates used to be great. When they introduced stuff it was nice to see a little in game footage where Matt would go through and point out what took place in the old game, and how the new game worked. We could see side by side, as well as in game, the changes that were being implemented.
                        Now nothing gets released without awesome graphics and slow motion cuts. I don't want any of that stuff, just tell me what's changed, and how you've made it better.
                        I remember watching videos of them just showing new improvements without the need for it looking like a movie trailer.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MIPsGAY4g And sure the game has improved some since then, but it would be pretty hard to tell NHL14 apart from that video. The players move a bit less spastically thanks to the improved skating, but honestly, board play doesn't look too changed.
                        I might end up holding out on 15. I don't want to buy NHL14 with Next-Gen graphics, just for the sake of playing hockey. I've got NHL14, and hopefully someone will release a roster update for 14 to get this next season started.
                        All of which sucks, because i was really looking forward to playing 15.

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                        • 13whitebread
                          ORIGINAL SIX FAN
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 576

                          #42
                          Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                          EA pro business marches on. Frustrated along with others
                          Last edited by 13whitebread; 08-19-2014, 02:01 PM. Reason: Subtraction

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                          • IG 88
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 7

                            #43
                            A shame. For every step EA seems to take in trying to win people over, they almost immediately fall right back. For all the slow leak of information (finally, gameplay! arenas!), it is unfortunate that it takes this long to get the information people would care about the most (loss of modes for "NEXT GEN").

                            Considering NHL 14 had pretty minimal updgrades (pitiful Live the Life and nominal NHL 94) and that current gen NHL 15 seems almost untouched (just the announce team?) ... seems like the last two years were not well spent. Nobody wins.

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                            • jbush3
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 28

                              #44
                              Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                              I am one of the casual NHL fans. I probably don't know more than 15 players in the league, but I love this game. Me and about 4 of my friends buy this every year for the EASHL, and we have a blast. We suck, meaning we may win one out of every 6-7 games but man do we enjoy it.

                              Obviously not having it in the game for the Xbox One, we as a group will not buy it. We were looking forward to this for months (we all finally have the next gen), and we are crazy disappointed that its not in the game.

                              We are hoping and anxiously waiting that the Crew will be back in NBA 2K for the next gen.

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                              • jaateloauto
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 743

                                #45
                                Re: The Medium is the Message: EASHL, Transparency, and the Core Gamer

                                I applaud EA for at least saying something. Unlike with NBA 2K12 when on release date we found Crew mode (EASHL equivalent) missing.

                                Still, I have no reason to buy the game without EASHL so see you next year.
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