Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

[sknapple]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

I must say I've got this dialed in now using your tuners on all star setting with a couple of minor tweaks.
Last night I decided to delete just my user profile, I loaded up my gm mode and loaded up the sliders. It played lethargic. I then went online and it gave me the option to choose which slider I would like to use for offline. It gave me two choices. Original out of the box tuner or to use the last tuner without always updating... Don't remember the exact choices but I must have picked the correct one.Anyhow. Needless to say wow! I saw stick on stick collisions again, and the puck had life. I even saw the cup slash and break my stick in two! Never saw that before.
I'm also seeing shots in the low to mid 20's for 8 minute periods. Excellent hockey!
I did experiment with moving the attribute slider around, but at 0 it gives the best result.

Cool Beans, GB! It is the attribute slider that makes all the difference for sure, as soon as you click that up, the super CPU returns, everything speeds up, and becomes robotic. Down at 0, it just plays BETTER. Glad to see you are having fun! If we can just get EA to tweak that slider to the 0 value at default, maybe more people wouldn't be so frustrated and give up on the game; maybe next year!

[pm83]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Last night we played Stanley Cup Finals (best of 7) with my friend (Islanders) against cpu (Blackhawks). And what a great journey that was. We lost 4-1 but games were extremely competitive and fair even though we lost two games with big numbers. Two games went to OT, two of them at Chicago we lost 7-0 and 7-1 and one game was won by Chicago with one goal difference.

I must say that I actually saw a lot more player seperation than before. Players who tried to deke and did that succesfully many times were Kane, Hossa and Panarin. Kane was amazing with some of the puck protecting moves. Hossa also scored couple of jaw droppin' onetimers. Best passing plays were performed by Toews who was also impossible to hit, which was great. What a balance! Keith was clearly the best D in the offensive end. Scoring lines were the most lethal but 3th and 4th also have talent at Hawks and Teravainen and Kero were hard to defense. Chicago had better goaltending but cpu's goalie felt possible to beat.

Great finals overall besides EA's horrible bug about "Continuous OT" whic was 5 mins 3 vs 3 and Shootout.

Set we used: Sknapples's set with shot accuracy 1/1 all, pass interceptions 0/0, 7 mins, manual aim.

[aquito]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

After juggling with a number of sliders/tweaks, I'm going to go with these, great work!

My only change is pass interceptions to 0/0, that way I find I can actually shoot a wrister from the blue line without it being always blocked by the first guy.

[pauliev]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

I can honestly say I never even considered moving the Attributes slider towards zero.

I had made edits to some of my players and just assumed that moving the slider up would make those edits more prevalent without even considering how it would impact the CPU.

I'm definitely going to try this when I can get a chance to play again.

Thanks!!

[Alter_Schwede]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Sknapple, your Advice with the attribute sliders does not only work in Superstar Mode.
I play Pro, and I set the Attribute slider to zero, increased many other sliders of the CPU and what shall I say...

I never played such a real and balanced game, like today in the evening! Really NEVER!

The CPU is aggressiv, they are human, do several offside mistakes (never seen this), do so many miss passes, shoot so much, the goalie is so human, nothing of the god like is seen any more, no highspeed passes any more, and all that inspite of I increased so many CPU sliders.
Now NHL16 is such a real game.. Now I know, why I shoot a goal, and it does not feel like Karma any more, and now I am not angry, when the CPU shoots goals, because now I cleary made mistakes, when they shoot goals.
And all this only because of that unimpressive Attribute sliders.

I think that everybody understands the sense of this slider wrong, and why? Because EA never gave any detailed instructions (I do not mean two liners) how those sliders really work, how they work together with other sliders and in which direction you have to click them to get what ever effect.

I thank you very much for your little but very big experience/advice!

[sknapple]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Sknapple, your Advice with the attribute sliders does not only work in Superstar Mode.
I play Pro, and I set the Attribute slider to zero, increased many other sliders of the CPU and what shall I say...

I never played such a real and balanced game, like today in the evening! Really NEVER!

The CPU is aggressiv, they are human, do several offside mistakes (never seen this), do so many miss passes, shoot so much, the goalie is so human, nothing of the god like is seen any more, no highspeed passes any more, and all that inspite of I increased so many CPU sliders.
Now NHL16 is such a real game.. Now I know, why I shoot a goal, and it does not feel like Karma any more, and now I am not angry, when the CPU shoots goals, because now I cleary made mistakes, when they shoot goals.
And all this only because of that unimpressive Attribute sliders.

I think that everybody understands the sense of this slider wrong, and why? Because EA never gave any detailed instructions (I do not mean two liners) how those sliders really work, how they work together with other sliders and in which direction you have to click them to get what ever effect.

I thank you very much for your little but very big experience/advice!

Good Stuff, Alter_Schwede! I agree, I think it is crazy that we need to experiment with different settings to find out what the sliders actually do!! And good to know that it helps the other difficulty levels as well, I just found that Superstar gives me just the right amount of CPU aggressiveness to make it challenging, but if the other levels work better for you, then great! Have fun, keep your stick on the ice!

[GetThePuckOut]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Yeah thanx sknapple, I play your set on AllStar, works great so far, will try Superstar soon.

[buffarukus]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

really cool set I just wanted to say thank you.


haven't bought nhl in awhile and for awhile I remembered why but your set has really transformed the game into something realistic that I just never seen before....I missed the tuner that everyone said was great.


some of your settings like game speed aren't really my preference but this was absolute great set to use as a base with minor adjustments still in progress.


the best part for me is how loose the puck is. its not magnetized to the players meaning the offense really has to think more about getting it in for a good chance and dump ins/ turnovers are very natural!


my biggest issue is my teammates are very slow helping me in the opp zone. I have auto plays picked. do you manually use different plays like crash net to get good support? hum aggressive slider or learning slider?


not sure but as of now it seems a lot of 1 vs 4/5 for a good amount of time before my cpu comrades get around to supporting offensive chances. but the opponent immediately has a whole team as soon as he crosses the blue line.


to tell the truth I'm not sure I want to change it because I'm getting really good,close games but it is very noticeable when I have to play keep away..get gang tackled lol. before it seems my team finally sets up.

[sknapple]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

really cool set I just wanted to say thank you.


haven't bought nhl in awhile and for awhile I remembered why but your set has really transformed the game into something realistic that I just never seen before....I missed the tuner that everyone said was great.


some of your settings like game speed aren't really my preference but this was absolute great set to use as a base with minor adjustments still in progress.


the best part for me is how loose the puck is. its not magnetized to the players meaning the offense really has to think more about getting it in for a good chance and dump ins/ turnovers are very natural!


my biggest issue is my teammates are very slow helping me in the opp zone. I have auto plays picked. do you manually use different plays like crash net to get good support? hum aggressive slider or learning slider?


not sure but as of now it seems a lot of 1 vs 4/5 for a good amount of time before my cpu comrades get around to supporting offensive chances. but the opponent immediately has a whole team as soon as he crosses the blue line.


to tell the truth I'm not sure I want to change it because I'm getting really good,close games but it is very noticeable when I have to play keep away..get gang tackled lol. before it seems my team finally sets up.

Hey, buffarukus, glad to see you are enjoying NHL again! I agree, I also find I am playing a bit of a keep-away game at times, but on powerplays I am able to set up and get some cycling going. And yes, the teamate AI could still use some work, but that is more than just some slider tweaks can do anything for unfortunately! Drives me crazy when I do a board pin, and I have a teammate just standing there two feet away, and he won't come in to dig the puck out and we lose possession, LOL! Just have to take the bad with the good, I guess....

I did find that if you put the difficulty level on a lower setting, the CPU AI will back off and give you more space, but I found it a little too much space to be honest for my liking. And, it also affects the amount of awareness and help you get from your teammates; on Superstar I just find them to be the most 'helpful'; blocking shots, intercepting passes, checking more aggressively and such. The aggression sliders help somewhat, but I really don't find they adjust as much as the changing of difficulty levels do. I did also try a lower skill level with the CPU Difficulty slider turned up, but I started seeing 'Super CPU' again, so I gave up that idea! All I can suggest is trying the different skill levels, and tweak away with the rest of the sliders until you find something that is comfortable for you! It is never going to be perfect, the key is to find a balance that keeps it fun even with the occasional mistakes. The only one that I will never touch again is the Attribute Effect slider, it is the key ingredient I think to adding some life back into the game. Have fun!

[buffarukus]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Hey, buffarukus, glad to see you are enjoying NHL again! I agree, I also find I am playing a bit of a keep-away game at times, but on powerplays I am able to set up and get some cycling going. And yes, the teamate AI could still use some work, but that is more than just some slider tweaks can do anything for unfortunately! Drives me crazy when I do a board pin, and I have a teammate just standing there two feet away, and he won't come in to dig the puck out and we lose possession, LOL! Just have to take the bad with the good, I guess....

I did find that if you put the difficulty level on a lower setting, the CPU AI will back off and give you more space, but I found it a little too much space to be honest for my liking. And, it also affects the amount of awareness and help you get from your teammates; on Superstar I just find them to be the most 'helpful'; blocking shots, intercepting passes, checking more aggressively and such. The aggression sliders help somewhat, but I really don't find they adjust as much as the changing of difficulty levels do. I did also try a lower skill level with the CPU Difficulty slider turned up, but I started seeing 'Super CPU' again, so I gave up that idea! All I can suggest is trying the different skill levels, and tweak away with the rest of the sliders until you find something that is comfortable for you! It is never going to be perfect, the key is to find a balance that keeps it fun even with the occasional mistakes. The only one that I will never touch again is the Attribute Effect slider, it is the key ingredient I think to adding some life back into the game. Have fun!

thanks for the suggestion. I'm happy to hear I'm not the only one getting mugged as my teammates stand around checking twitter updates or something.


I don't want to change difficulty because like I said I'm getting good games, just seems like I'm doing a lot of slap shots from the point as my offense because without support...its my best option, or I could play keep away until my team decides it wants to set up. usually ends up as a turnover.....my coach is really mad and suggesting I stop doing that lol.


I'm going to try manually choosing crash net when I feel I got a good opportunity ect and see if I can get the hang of on the fly manual play selection. maybe crashing when going in then going with a base after they are in will give them more urgency to support but wont give up too much on the back end. get them out of this prevent D mode, not sure.


if I get a fix ill report, hopfully it doesn't overpower anything and I can keep it competitive. have a feeling it will, then ill turn up their goalie, then that will ruin something else..then ill be sick with slideritice. lol

[BigBadAss33]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Holy smokes!!! I have to say that playing this game with attribute slider at zero with a few tweaks of my own to only fatigue recovery made this game play so much better. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

My 1st game with these sliders was against Arizona. It was a turnover fest and the AI was so much better. The mistakes made by the defense were obvious and Arizona capitalized on 2 turnovers. What a game!!

Thanks

[BigBadAss33]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

I made a few changes. Went from SS to Allstar.

I played half way decent this game but was outshot and was dominated in the face off circle!

[sknapple]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

I made a few changes. Went from SS to Allstar.

I played half way decent this game but was outshot and was dominated in the face off circle!

Hey, BigBad, nice lookin' stats! Especially love the sub-70% passing ones! Great to hear more people getting enjoyment from the game, taking on these sliders and changing them up to make them their own! Have fun!

[BigBadAss33]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Hey, BigBad, nice lookin' stats! Especially love the sub-70% passing ones! Great to hear more people getting enjoyment from the game, taking on these sliders and changing them up to make them their own! Have fun!

Just wanted to let you know that these are being used without the updates. Out of the box tuner. The gems look and play like I'm watching a live NHL game!!

[redwingsfan6868]

Re: Sknapple's NHL 16 SS Sliders, with CPU's 'Super Passing' hopefully removed...

Hello Fellow OS'ers! Longtime lurker here, and like most of you on here (at least from what I have been reading), I have been frustrated with the perceived 'super abilities' of the CPU opponents, especially when it comes to passing. I have tried MANY different settings, on all the difficulty levels, and was getting pretty close to giving up on finding that balance between fun and realism that we are all striving for. I am no stat-head by any means, so I am not overly concerned with tweaking until I get dead accurate shot totals, hit totals, PK percentages and such, but I am a pretty avid hockey fan, and even though I want my hockey video game to 'feel' as 'real' as possible, I also realize that there are some concessions that need to be made to keep it on the fun side as well; it is a video game after all! All I am looking to do is get a game that is balanced to give me a challenge, but still let me feel that I can make a difference in the outcome by the way that I play, and not feel like the CPU has 'pre-determined' the outcome, or feels like making things exciting by popping in a couple of quick goals when it is convenient! I think I have achieved that with the settings I have been tweaking for a while now, and because it has salvaged the game for me, I thought I would share them to see if anyone else can benefit from them!

As any of the slider gurus on here I am sure will tell you, the NHL franchise's sliders are the most frustrating in all of sports games, with most seemingly not doing anything at all, others that seem to be 'backwards' in their effect, and then still others that seem to change stuff not even related to the name of the slider you are adjusting! But the one slider that seemed to make the most difference in my game was the Attribute Effects slider. By adjusting that slider to 0 (I know it seems crazy!), the CPU Boost effect seemed to go away, and I found that the effects of the other sliders seemed to be enhanced. There is no super boost in the third periods anymore. Pucks are now a little looser and unpredictable, and the CPU actually misses passes!! I am also finding on Superstar that my teammates are positioning themselves better to intercept passes, being more aggressive on the forecheck, initiating body checks on their own, and I can actually leave the defensemen uncontrolled and they will defend, lol! Are there mistakes, glitch goals, and oddities occasionally? Absolutely. The AI is far from perfect, but it is WAY more liveable for me than they were before.

With the settings I have below, I am now about halfway through my second Be A GM season with the Flames, and have a 23-16-6 record. Results are all over the map, with scores 2-1, 3-2, some 1-0 nail-biters, 5-2 wins AND losses, and some blowouts too. My shot totals per period are 20-30 per side for the game, passing percentages for both me AND the CPU are between 68-78%, where with the Attribute effects slider turned up the CPU were never below 80%!

Again, your results may vary, and I am not guaranteeing that you will like these for how you play. All sliders are personal to the individual's preferences, so tweak as you see fit, and don't let anyone tell you that it is wrong! But for me, the Attribute Effects one was the key ingredient to getting the rest of the pieces to slide into place! Enough of my rambling---

Rules
Difficulty Superstar
Game Style Hardcore (custom)
Penalties MAXED
Penalty time scaling 4
Period Length 5min
Post Whistle Rules Authentic


Gameplay Settings

General
Attribute Effects 0 (IMPORTANT)
Broken Stick Frequency 3
Game Speed 0
Gameplay Version Latest (yes, I download all tuners)
Fatigue Effect CPU/HUM 3/3
Fatigue Recovery CPU/HUM 3/3
Injury Occurrence CPU/HUM 3/3
Player Acceleration CPU/HUM 5/4
Puck Control CPU/HUM 5/4

Checking
Hitting Assistance 4
Aggression CPU/HUM 3/3
Hitting Power CPU/HUM 4/4
Poke Effectiveness CPU/HUM 5/5
Stick Lift Effectiveness CPU/HUM 5/5

Passing
Manual Passing On
Pass Assist 3
Pass Speed 4
Saucer Pass Speed 5
Pass Accuracy CPU/HUM 0/0
Pass Interceptions CPU/HUM 3/3
Pass Reception Ease CPU/HUM 0/1

Shooting
One Timer Accuracy CPU/HUM 1/3 (even though nerfed, CPU still seems to have no issues hitting the net!)
Shot Accuracy CPU/HUM 1/3
Shot Power CPU/HUM 4/4
Slap Shot Accuracy CPU/HUM 1/3
Slap Shot Power CPU/HUM 4/4

AI
AI Learning 0
CPU Difficulty Adjustment 0
CPU Faceoff Difficulty 4
CPU Penalties MAX
CPU Strategy Adjustment 1
CPU Teammate Penalties MAX
Fight Difficulty user preference
User Strategy Adjustment user preference

Goalies
Goalie Cover Frequency 5
Goalie Passing 2
Goalie Reaction Speed CPU/HUM 1/4 (user pref, I just find the CPU goalie has an edge on my team's goalie at defaults, so these settings seem to level the field a bit!)
Goalie Screen Effect CPU/HUM 6/2 (user pref, same reasons as the reaction speed)

Advanced Settings
Away Shot Aim AUTO
Home Shot Aim AUTO
Auto Backskate OFF
Line Changes Auto

Visual Settings
Auto Zoom Off
Camera Classic (Camera setting DOES affect the feel of play, but adjust as you see fit)
Indicator Size Smallest
Puck Highlight Very Small
Puck Size Authentic

Good Luck, and keep your stick on the ice!

IN nll2016 for PS4 under Goalie Reaction speed Sliders..Is the Reaction Speed Faster on The Lowest or Highest Settings ?