NHL 2K10: What's Hot and What's Not

[lockjaw333]

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I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I said that to highlight the fact that I'd expect that kind of article from an angry EA nerd on the official EA forums, not Operation Sports and also to point out the fact that the same type of feature for EA's NHL 10 didn't gloss over the game's best and worst points like Christian did with NHL 2K10.

Seriously, he went to the trouble of looking up some videos of the game to give an opinion on it because he hasn't played it yet. Couldn't have have also gone to the official 2Ksports site and checked the developer insight blog articles as well? There's plenty of information there on what the game is shaping up to be. More to the point, why give an opinion on it if he hasn't played it yet? Chase pointed out that there's a preview done here at OS about the game, so someone's already had hands on time with NHL 2K10. Why not let that person write up this article up instead of someone who's yet to even see the game in motion LIVE?

So my comment will stand. That you don't like it, RealmK, that doesn't surprise me. There's a reason you're not welcome on the 2Khockey.net forums anymore.

As for the rest of the OS staff, I'm sorry if my remarks stung a bit. It wasn't my intention to accuse anyone of being "biased" one way or another, but simply to point out that I was expecting you guys to be FAIR to both games. This article isn't fair in the least. Not to the game, not to the community and in a small measure, it's not fair to Christian who I'm sure, would've sang a different tune had he actually played the game.

I've been away for a bit and just got back, and after getting a chance to read the article, I totally agree with this post. I think this site has an obligation to at least be fair to both games before they are released (since there isn't an "EA" or "2K" attached to the name of the site). This article just wasn't fair, and was obviously biased, so I think that's why people are angry about it.

Think about if this happened to EA's game. Imagine if an article like this was written about NHL 10, and opinions were based off of gameplay videos of two people who obviously know little about hockey playing the game, from some other videogame website. The EA fans would go into an absolute uproar.

I would image you, RealmK, would be one of the first to speak out. You've already attacked people who have said that NHL 10 looks just like NHL 09 based on gameplay videos to this point. However in this case, its a supposed-to-be unbiased sports gaming website making similar judgements solely based on gameplay videos. It doesn't make sense, and you know its wrong.

People get all over the guys in the Madden area who criticized gameplay videos of Madden 10 before it was released. This is the same thing- it has to be fair. If the author had gotten hands-on time and had these opinions, then that's totally valid and he should be able to voice his concerns. But basing it off gameplay videos? Seriously, if the situation were reversed, you guys would be going insane right now.

[kerosene31]

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I always find it funny that the major gripes with 2k hockey are things that can easily be changed in the options/sliders.

This is slightly 2k's fault for leaving things like this as default (at least I assume it is just like in 2k9). The default controls in 2k9 are not ones most people want. People get turned off by that and don't bother finding the new control scheme that is pretty much the same as EA's.

It happens. I read more than 1 Tiger Woods review that blasted the "comet trails" which can easily be turned off in the options.

[slickdtc]

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I've been away for a bit and just got back, and after getting a chance to read the article, I totally agree with this post. I think this site has an obligation to at least be fair to both games before they are released (since there isn't an "EA" or "2K" attached to the name of the site). This article just wasn't fair, and was obviously biased, so I think that's why people are angry about it.

It wasn't biased at all. It may not have been as in-depth as other previews are (though this never claimed to be in-depth), but it wasn't biased at all. You must have missed the part where the writer (Bumble14) said this series was one of his all time favorites? If anything, he'd be biased FOR the game, not against it. Come on, man.

[BigH2k6]

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This article should have been titled "NHL2K10, What could be hot and what could be not so hot. A speculative preview based on video clips released to date. "

The current title is very misleading and can easily misconstrued as a hands-on.

The author speculates without any hands-on knowledge, specially on subject like online mode. How someone can say that online mode will be a negative for this game without having tried it is beyond me...

[RealmK]

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I've been away for a bit and just got back, and after getting a chance to read the article, I totally agree with this post. I think this site has an obligation to at least be fair to both games before they are released (since there isn't an "EA" or "2K" attached to the name of the site). This article just wasn't fair, and was obviously biased, so I think that's why people are angry about it.

Think about if this happened to EA's game. Imagine if an article like this was written about NHL 10, and opinions were based off of gameplay videos of two people who obviously know little about hockey playing the game, from some other videogame website. The EA fans would go into an absolute uproar.

I would image you, RealmK, would be one of the first to speak out. You've already attacked people who have said that NHL 10 looks just like NHL 09 based on gameplay videos to this point. However in this case, its a supposed-to-be unbiased sports gaming website making similar judgements solely based on gameplay videos. It doesn't make sense, and you know its wrong.

People get all over the guys in the Madden area who criticized gameplay videos of Madden 10 before it was released. This is the same thing- it has to be fair. If the author had gotten hands-on time and had these opinions, then that's totally valid and he should be able to voice his concerns. But basing it off gameplay videos? Seriously, if the situation were reversed, you guys would be going insane right now.

The writter himself says hes a fan of the series, would hardly call that bias but whatever. 10 may not be a huge graphical change over 09 but all the subtle additions and fixes make it play a much better game which is the only thing I dispute when people say oh it plays just like 09. You diehard 2k guys are something else, everything is a conspiracy and god forbid someone like both games! Both games have pros and cons, both may actually be worth picking up this year.

[lockjaw333]

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The writter himself says hes a fan of the series, would hardly call that bias but whatever. 10 may not be a huge graphical change over 09 but all the subtle additions and fixes make it play a much better game which is the only thing I dispute when people say oh it plays just like 09. You diehard 2k guys are something else, everything is a conspiracy and god forbid someone like both games! Both games have pros and cons, both may actually be worth picking up this year.

I'm not a "2K guy" at all. I'm just a fan of the series, but I've bought both games almost every year (except for when EA was a real joke in 2005 and 2006).

As a fan of both games, I didn't like the article. I'm just saying, if this situation were reversed, the EA hockey forum would be going nuts right now.

But I guess any of us "2k guys" who are members of 2khockey.net that post here are a joke because our site is now a "laughing stock".

[slickdtc]

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I'm not a "2K guy" at all. I'm just a fan of the series, but I've bought both games almost every year (except for when EA was a real joke in 2005 and 2006).

As a fan of both games, I didn't like the article. I'm just saying, if this situation were reversed, the EA hockey forum would be going nuts right now.

But I guess any of us "2k guys" who are members of 2khockey.net that post here are a joke because our site is now a "laughing stock".

It's fine to not like the article. I didn't think it was that good either, seeing as how it's just a quick run down and nothing in-depth. But when you throw out the word "bias" and there's no hint of that, then that's when there are problems.

[RealmK]

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I'm not a "2K guy" at all. I'm just a fan of the series, but I've bought both games almost every year (except for when EA was a real joke in 2005 and 2006).

As a fan of both games, I didn't like the article. I'm just saying, if this situation were reversed, the EA hockey forum would be going nuts right now.

But I guess any of us "2k guys" who are members of 2khockey.net that post here are a joke because our site is now a "laughing stock".

You sure come off as one. I stand by my feelings and this will be the last I comment on it having experiencing the mob mentality first hand a few years ago over there. I think its great that Waz has a single EA thread for discusion of ea's title since alot of former 2k only guys, myself included don't totally hate the changes EA has made the last couple years. That said its unfortuate that if you happen to like EA's game more no matter how long you exclusively played nhl2k, your opinion doesn't count because you're just an EA fanboy and Littman lover and the like. If you didn't like 2k8's controls, you're an idiot and simpleton and you're wrong for not liking them. Or that EA's game is still an arcade fest no matter how much it moves more towards being a simulation or at least having the options to play a more sim game.

HockeyDude over on the official EA site had posted this and he's really not that far off from being spot on imo and it fits the bill for 2kh.net fairly well as well.

"Another common trait of 2k gamers on threads/forums is their way to defend 2k, while bashing EA. Here's how the threads go by 2k gamers:

EA releases screenshots
- Looks good, but graphics mean nothing
- Goalies look good but play like crap
- Arenas/pre-game look bad
- Bottom line..... all sizzle no steak. Case closed

2k releases screenshots
- Faces look awesome
- Arena/pre-game look the best
- Goalies look bad
- Hunchback players return
- Bottom line..... hit and miss, but we have to give 2k the benefit of the doubt. It's just early images. Graphics mean nothing for any part EA looks better in. But for the parts of the games where 2k looks better.... OMG! 2k wins!

EA releases game videos
- Run and gun
- Lots of one-timers and scoring
- Bottom line..... EA arcadefest. Case closed

2k releases game videos
- Run and gun
- Lots of one-timers and scoring
- Bottom line..... can't judge yet. People demoing it are dumb game editors who know nothing. Give benefit of the doubt it will be better in the final game

EA game is released and gets better reviews/awards
- Game editors reviewing it know nothing
- EA paid off web sites
- Bottom line..... a scam

2k game is released, gets worse scores
- Game editors reviewing it know nothing
- 2k not big enough to compete against EA
- (For the 10th year in a row)..... 2k hockey not given enough development time
- Bottom line..... 2k got ripped off

Leading up to the game's final release....

EA
- Based on images, videos and game demo, EA's game is arcadey. The final game will not be better. 2k is more sim

2k
- 2k's game will be better. I've seen fewer images, fewer gameplay videos and no demo has been released yet to try, but it's my opinion it will be better even though I've got a fraction of media/demo to work with.
- Any EA gamer saying EA is better is a troll and should wait till final release
- Any 2k gamer saying 2k is better (though a demo hasn't even been released yet) is simply stating his opinion."

[CarryTheWeight]

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IMO, 2K fanboys seem to make excuses for the sake of the health of the series ("NHL 09 is overrated anyway, real gamers play 2K9 because...at least it's not robotic and fake and corporate and stuff!"), whereas the EA guys are simply annoying and childish because they're in the driver's seat at the moment ("2K should stop making hockey games because EA makes them better! No competition!").

I say ignore both. Where's arguing going to get us? If sports gamers could stop with all the brand loyalty stuff, more people would respect the advantages of both games and of competition itself...same goes with the NFL, NBA MLB and racing simulation (Forza/GT5) games. Too much negativity and disrespect on BOTH sides.

Then again, I'm not 13 years old anymore, so arguing on forums about corporations making video games and consoles just doesn't make sense to me. And no, I'm not the type of guy to argue about what politician, country or sports team is better, either, so you won't see me in some real-life argument over such trivial matters. Yet, understandably, some people get a kick out of that stuff, it's confrontational human nature. It just makes it worse for the rest of us.

[Eddie1967]

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I've been away for a bit and just got back, and after getting a chance to read the article, I totally agree with this post. I think this site has an obligation to at least be fair to both games before they are released (since there isn't an "EA" or "2K" attached to the name of the site). This article just wasn't fair, and was obviously biased, so I think that's why people are angry about it.

Think about if this happened to EA's game. Imagine if an article like this was written about NHL 10, and opinions were based off of gameplay videos of two people who obviously know little about hockey playing the game, from some other videogame website. The EA fans would go into an absolute uproar.

I would image you, RealmK, would be one of the first to speak out. You've already attacked people who have said that NHL 10 looks just like NHL 09 based on gameplay videos to this point. However in this case, its a supposed-to-be unbiased sports gaming website making similar judgements solely based on gameplay videos. It doesn't make sense, and you know its wrong.

People get all over the guys in the Madden area who criticized gameplay videos of Madden 10 before it was released. This is the same thing- it has to be fair. If the author had gotten hands-on time and had these opinions, then that's totally valid and he should be able to voice his concerns. But basing it off gameplay videos? Seriously, if the situation were reversed, you guys would be going insane right now.

Great post. There is definitely a bias sometimes when it comes to reviewing 2k games. Not necessarily the review being talked about here, but it's happened before on other gaming sites so I can see how some people might be a little sensitive to any negativity thrown 2k's way. EA has a cult following whether their games are good or bad and therefore get much more fair reviews IMHO. Just look at the madden reviews for the past 3 or 4 years.

I didn't think this review was necessarily bad, just a little shallow.
I do believe there will be two good (possibly great) hockey games this year for different reasons and I'm very happy about that.

[Scottdau]

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Fanoys are not real. People defend the game they like best. Look at Realm he liked 2k for so long and now he likes EA. That is not fanboys. I like 2k football, now I like Madden. I like the 2k baseball now I like the show. If you build a good game people will follow. This fanboy crap gets old. And I hope OS does not go down this road.

[savoie2006]

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Yeah, and HockeyDude is quite the "Fanboy" himself, so I take his comments with the same grain of salt that you do Realm with Venom. As already stated by myself in response to Dude's post at EASports and by CarryTheWeight here, it's a two way street. It happens quite equally I've found. EA fans defend their game with everything thing they got just as alot of 2K fans do.

[baa7]

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Fanoys are not real. People defend the game they like best. Look at [insert any name] he liked 2k for so long and now he likes EA. That is not fanboys.

Two different things. Anyone can switch their allegiance and still be a blind, ignorant, stark-raving fanboy. Yes, they exist.

[RealmK]

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Yeah, and HockeyDude is quite the "Fanboy" himself, so I take his comments with the same grain of salt that you do Realm with Venom. As already stated by myself in response to Dude's post at EASports and by CarryTheWeight here, it's a two way street. It happens quite equally I've found. EA fans defend their game with everything thing they got just as alot of 2K fans do.

For sure, I never said it wasn't a two way street. I do find it happens with the 2k guys far more often though, I can't count how many times I've read post that play out exactly like that list Dude posted. A few people in this very thread come instantly to mind actually.

[lockjaw333]

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You sure come off as one. I stand by my feelings and this will be the last I comment on it having experiencing the mob mentality first hand a few years ago over there. I think its great that Waz has a single EA thread for discusion of ea's title since alot of former 2k only guys, myself included don't totally hate the changes EA has made the last couple years. That said its unfortuate that if you happen to like EA's game more no matter how long you exclusively played nhl2k, your opinion doesn't count because you're just an EA fanboy and Littman lover and the like. If you didn't like 2k8's controls, you're an idiot and simpleton and you're wrong for not liking them. Or that EA's game is still an arcade fest no matter how much it moves more towards being a simulation or at least having the options to play a more sim game.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the real core of the members at 2khockey.net don't exhibit that type of behavior. Its easy to make generalizations about a group of fans. I could write off all EA fans (which I guess would include myself) as bed-wetting 13 year olds who foam from the mouth while typing complete nonsense, if I go by the garbage I see on the EA forums.

Likewise, there are a few members at 2khockey.net who seriously deteriorate the spirit of the site, and give everyone a bad impression of what the community is like. That doesn't mean we're all like that, and I'm sure that doesn't mean all EA fans are what the community comes off as.

I agree with CarrytheWeight, its really stupid and pointless to argue about these allegiances. Obviously most of us aren't ridiculous and are not just blind brand loyalists. There's always going to be the group that taints the reputation of a whole group of people. I just take issue with reading multiple times here that 2khockey.net is a "a laughing stock" and that their members are " a joke".

Anyway, my initial point was that I found the article lame, as many others. Of course differing opinions always turns into a 2k vs. EA war somehow, and I am seriously the last person to care about that sort of thing or want to start an argument about it. If you knew my posting history you would see that. But if you made up your mind that I am, then you can think what you want I guess.

I just continue to see the same people getting into large arguments with any and everyone, and I won't be a part of that.