NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

[daflyboys]

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Swell.... more EA vs 2K crap. How enjoyable.

[mooseontheloose]

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I do, because I see it happen in just about every battle for the puck in the corners in every single regular season game I've seen thus far..ever. Even more so in the playoffs. You guys that want to sit there and pretend guys don't get pinned ever and that its somehow "unrealistic" the way EA has implimented it honestly make me roll my eyes and chuckle on a regular basis.

lol please, you have no idea wtf you're talking about. The other night I even specifically looked for 'pinning' and, just as I thought, it was minimal. I could count the amount of real pins on one hand. Yes players get rubbed out along the board or pressed against it for a second, but a true pin is incredibly rare. Not only that but the ease with which you can pin at any time you want in NHL 10 is completely unrealistic given that making a pin in the NHL takes timing, positioning, angle, etc., all of which can be negated by the person you're trying to pin.

Sorry, I get that you're an EA homer but there is simply no way to argue that boardplay in NHL 10 is accurate. Neither game does boardplay properly, but a true sim representation would be somewhere in between (ie. limited 'pinning' combined with incidental contact and the ability to battle for position when going for the puck).

You're actually one of the few I've seen who claims to have watched for pinning in the NHL and actually claims it exists as represented in EA. I'm not shocked though.

Oh, and as usual your proclamation of NHL 10 being the better sim game is limited only to on-ice gameplay, as usual. Obviously you're not a sim player/franciser, otherwise you would understand that bad trade logic and a weak sim engine are just as game-breaking for a sim experience as magnetic pucks.

[RealmK]

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lol please, you have no idea wtf you're talking about. The other night I even specifically looked for 'pinning' and, just as I thought, it was minimal. I could count the amount of real pins on one hand. Yes players get rubbed out along the board or pressed against it for a second, but a true pin is incredibly rare. Not only that but the ease with which you can pin at any time you want in NHL 10 is completely unrealistic given that making a pin in the NHL takes timing, positioning, angle, etc., all of which can be negated by the person you're trying to pin.

Sorry, I get that you're an EA homer but there is simply no way to argue that boardplay in NHL 10 is accurate. Neither game does boardplay properly, but a true sim representation would be somewhere in between (ie. limited 'pinning' combined with incidental contact and the ability to battle for position when going for the puck).

You're actually one of the few I've seen who claims to have watched for pinning in the NHL and actually claims it exists as represented in EA. I'm not shocked though.

Oh, and as usual your proclamation of NHL 10 being the better sim game is limited only to on-ice gameplay, as usual. Obviously you're not a sim player/franciser, otherwise you would understand that bad trade logic and a weak sim engine are just as game-breaking for a sim experience as magnetic pucks.

More so that you can actually MOVE along the boards, rather than a static one shoe fits all animation. You notice it happen alot more with teams that do alot of dump and chase vs puck possession teams. While I agree you prolly don't see long drawn out full on pinning as much these days with the move away from a clutch and grab game. I still see it enough that I don't have all that much issue with how EA's added it, hell that its finally in EA's game to begin with is pretty major imo.

The sim engine isn't as bad as a few are trying to make it out to be, imo, my current season the only team way out of the top 8 is the Flyers. Other than them its teams you'd expect, Rangers, Boston, Wash for example in the east, and teams like Detroit, Chicago, San Jose in the west. Trade logic could use some addressing sure, yet its funny how quickly people forget how many years in a row 2k's trade logic would see guys like Crosby traded multiple times in a single season as well. I'm not sure how it is in 2k's game this year since I'll wait on the patch to play it again after the goalies and defensive AI issues honestly tempted me to shatter the disk into 100 pieces with how frustratingly broken both are. Seriously though if the on ice gameplay isn't good, the best trade or sim logic in the world isn't going to save a game. I mean the whole idea is to PLAY the game isn't it? Not just sim seasons?

[Knight165]

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I mean the whole idea is to PLAY the game isn't it? Not just sim seasons?

Yes...the idea is to play YOUR games.
But at the very same time...the rest of the league is simming and 10 has some truly ugly warts in multiple areas of that part of the game. From stats through trades.
If you are going to play single games....10 is definitely ahead overall.
If you want to zoom out a bit and look at the whole picture......

M.K.
Knight165

[mooseontheloose]

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I mean the whole idea is to PLAY the game isn't it? Not just sim seasons?

From your perspective, yes. From mine and other people who enjoy producing sim franchises, not necessarily.

I've said it before, but - a game loses all of its appeal to me (and other sim guys) if the sim experience ends when the final buzzer sounds. Obviously you care about gameplay enough to have that direct your decisions regarding these two games, but you fail to realize that everyone does not fit that mold. I'm not sure if you play Madden or NCAA but if you do, and read these forums, you'll realize that off-field sim experience is just as vital as 'fun' gameplay.

10 might be more polished, or even more fun, but that has nothing to do with being more sim. Neither is fully sim, but NHL 10 is not more sim as an overall franchise package. Given that you clearly don't care about achieving a true sim franchise experience, I'm not sure why you even care.

[tabulaRasa]

Hockey rules! Buy both

[mooseontheloose]

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Hockey rules! Buy both

Or this

[daflyboys]

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Guys.... remember.... thread title....

[RealmK]

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From your perspective, yes. From mine and other people who enjoy producing sim franchises, not necessarily.

I've said it before, but - a game loses all of its appeal to me (and other sim guys) if the sim experience ends when the final buzzer sounds. Obviously you care about gameplay enough to have that direct your decisions regarding these two games, but you fail to realize that everyone does not fit that mold. I'm not sure if you play Madden or NCAA but if you do, and read these forums, you'll realize that off-field sim experience is just as vital as 'fun' gameplay.

10 might be more polished, or even more fun, but that has nothing to do with being more sim. Neither is fully sim, but NHL 10 is not more sim as an overall franchise package. Given that you clearly don't care about achieving a true sim franchise experience, I'm not sure why you even care.

Eh we agree to disagree. 10's a better game period imo, and is much closer to representing the sport the way things are implimented, but hey enjoy your simming, I'm sure thats a ton of fun.

[BIG CAROLINA]

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Swell.... more EA vs 2K crap. How enjoyable.

Seriously man, it's getting boring coming in here. it's either that or you have the guys that say BOTH games are good over and over again.

Mods hardly ever come in here and regulate.

[mooseontheloose]

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Eh we agree to disagree. 10's a better game period imo, and is much closer to representing the sport the way things are implimented, but hey enjoy your simming, I'm sure thats a ton of fun.

Simming? You again completely miss the point, but there is clearly no point in arguing with you.

Hopefully we get word on the exact details soon, would be nice to know what exactly they're looking at.

[plaidchuck]

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Simming? You again completely miss the point, but there is clearly no point in arguing with you.

Hopefully we get word on the exact details soon, would be nice to know what exactly they're looking at.

At best from a gameplay perspective they'll fix the goalie angles and the poke checking, along with the other game breaker freezes (although i've never experienced them on the PS3)

I think everyone will be 100x happier if they fix the goalies.

[tinpanalley]

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So, now the only thread we had to talk about the possible patch has been overtaken by another EA vs 2K argument? Can we drop it? Can an admin at least come in here and transfer this argument into another thread?? I don't think we should have to sift through all this to read about the patch.

[mooseontheloose]

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So, now the only thread we had to talk about the possible patch has been overtaken by another EA vs 2K argument? Can we drop it? Can an admin at least come in here and transfer this argument into another thread?? I don't think we should have to sift through all this to read about the patch.

There's nothing in here about the patch anyway. I'm sure once the details are out there will be a new thread. Not that I condone going OT, but this thread has nothing useful beyond the first post anyway.

[Vechi8]

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Hockey rules! Buy both

Let's not minimize this point (I'm a little biased cause he's a fellow cap fan) I like the fact that EA is around with a solid game. Look how good both basketball games are this year. Both companies are pushing each other. 2k's hockey team has only 2 years of development and has a pretty big task to match EA's progression but they have made great strides over last year. I hated to see Kush leave 2k cause I thought they were REALLY close to making it a no contest