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  • phillyfan23
    MVP
    • Feb 2005
    • 2319

    #121
    Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

    Originally posted by savoie2006
    Why should they tell you before they know? That isn't very professional. What if they tell us, something is fixed, but when the patch is released, it really isn't? Then it's a case of insert foot in mouth. The fact that they told us they were working on a patch...um, I thought that's what "we" wanted, communication from the developers. So now it's an exact time and what's included? Give me a break and be a little patient.
    my opinion is that 2khockey jus't isn't professional enough. you obviously don't think so, and that's fine.

    But their lack of quality going back from 2k6, lack of support, communication, puzzling marketing decisions, etc led me to that opinion.

    And now with the patch and their famous practice of giving news about upcoming news about upcoming news.....it gives me more confirmation that they just lack something as a team.

    and not ONE developper/PR guy even acknowledged about the gameplay flaws of this years game. Take your pick of the idiotic d-men, overdiving goalies, etc. The only reference for comparison is EA hockey . Their game isn't perfect, but Littman and co. makes it clear of the faults of their games and sets out to fix them. I don't see that with 2khockey.....
    Last edited by phillyfan23; 11-09-2009, 12:01 AM.

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    • Scottdau
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 32580

      #122
      Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

      Originally posted by phillyfan23
      my opinion is that 2khockey jus't isn't professional enough. you obviously don't think so, and that's fine.

      But their lack of quality going back from 2k6, lack of support, communication, puzzling marketing decisions, etc led me to that opinion.

      And now with the patch and their famous practice of giving news about upcoming news about upcoming news.....it gives me more confirmation that they just lack something as a team.

      and not ONE developper/PR guy even acknowledged about the gameplay flaws of this years game. Take your pick of the idiotic d-men, overdiving goalies, etc. The only reference for comparison is EA hockey . Their game isn't perfect, but Littman and co. makes it clear of the faults of their games and sets out to fix them. I don't see that with 2khockey.....
      You are entitled to your opinion. Even though I disagree with it. When I went to the Head Quarters they seemed pretty professional too me. And this is probably why they don't share anything, because they know there are always someone ready to jump down throats. I will say this. I really believe they are taking this patch serious if you guys don't believe that that is fine too. But I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt. And I think Ronnie is a cool dude that does a lot for 2k and even the big guys said that! So if you can't wait for a patch trade it in. If you feel cheated then don't buy next years game. Will the patch be perfect I doubt it, but or they trying to make it better I believe so. And that is all that matters too me. But I am having fun with the game, so it would have been good to me either way. This is what is great about having two good hockey games.

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      • phillyfan23
        MVP
        • Feb 2005
        • 2319

        #123
        Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

        Originally posted by Scottdau
        You are entitled to your opinion. Even though I disagree with it. When I went to the Head Quarters they seemed pretty professional too me. And this is probably why they don't share anything, because they know there are always someone ready to jump down throats. I will say this. I really believe they are taking this patch serious if you guys don't believe that that is fine too. But I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt. And I think Ronnie is a cool dude that does a lot for 2k and even the big guys said that! So if you can't wait for a patch trade it in. If you feel cheated then don't buy next years game. Will the patch be perfect I doubt it, but or they trying to make it better I believe so. And that is all that matters too me. But I am having fun with the game, so it would have been good to me either way. This is what is great about having two good hockey games.
        no point to trade it in....gonna get less than 10 bucks...so better to wait for the patch whenever that comes and whatever that fixes.

        if the patch doesn't deliver, there is no way I will buy the game next year. gonna rent and evaluate. if it's good..then the buy.

        I don't feel cheated,I've purchased much worse games for the same price. But I feel this way because I really do think 2khockey has the much bigger potential to deliver realistic and fun simulation of hockey. Their team just isn't as polished and professional as the EA team. it might be because of $$$ or just lack of competence, but whatever it is, it is of no concern to me. What does concern me is that it affects the game overall.

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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #124
          Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

          Originally posted by phillyfan23
          no point to trade it in....gonna get less than 10 bucks...so better to wait for the patch whenever that comes and whatever that fixes.

          if the patch doesn't deliver, there is no way I will buy the game next year. gonna rent and evaluate. if it's good..then the buy.

          I don't feel cheated,I've purchased much worse games for the same price. But I feel this way because I really do think 2khockey has the much bigger potential to deliver realistic and fun simulation of hockey. Their team just isn't as polished and professional as the EA team. it might be because of $$$ or just lack of competence, but whatever it is, it is of no concern to me. What does concern me is that it affects the game overall.
          Now this I can agree! Except the part about being professional. It is all good. I think the patch will be what you are looking for. I could be wrong. But I have faith in these people.

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          • daflyboys
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 18238

            #125
            Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

            I think the "lack of professionalism" notion comes from the fact that very, very little is communicated, even during what should be the marketing period (there's really no debating that) and then, when questions are asked and answered post-release we get quality guys like Shadow trying to appease the customers here, but largely we get no other response or, when there is one, a bit of defensiveness.

            I mean what is the mystery? This is not about national security issues or deep dark secrets of the druids or prophet predictions about the end of the world.... it's a friggin' game! It's a product... we're the customers.... talk to us! It's not that difficult. However, since some guys see hockey gaming almost as important as life itself, then let's put it in this perspective. If you went to your doctor/specialist for an important test, how long would you wait around for the results before you start getting incredibly angered despite your patience. When you guys here defend 2K to the ends you really don't do them or yourselves any justice either.

            And I'm sorry, Ronnie may be a "cool dude", but the bottom line is, is the public relation factor being addressed? Sorry, but being given news about news is like being told when you were a kid when you asked about something, "we'll see" or "maybe".
            Last edited by daflyboys; 11-09-2009, 01:45 PM.

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            • Scottdau
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 32580

              #126
              Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

              But you can say that about anything. Even EA doesn't share everything. Even Sony or CD from bands. That has always been a pet peeve of mine. Why not share with the public? But they rarely do. I have no idea, but that is petty norm in the business world. Maybe 2K goes too far with it, but they are not the only company that does it. EA might do a little more becasue Litt is always sneaking stuff out.

              One more he said he hopes to have information. What is so hard to understand about that? I am sure his hands are tied too. You can say defending 2k doesn't help, but ragging on them too will not help either. I say let them do what they do and see what happens. If you guys don't like that I don't know what to say. Maybe write a letter to the head guys and see if they will change that way of doing business.
              Last edited by Scottdau; 11-09-2009, 01:57 PM.

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              • Shadow71
                2K Sports Producer
                • Jan 2009
                • 68

                #127
                Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                Originally posted by RealmK
                No offense or disrespect meant Shad, but seriously, you guys need to get on the same page between the dev team and the "PR team" if you could even call what Ronnie does PR because its flat out silly. This whole "news about news that may be news someday" garbage that keeps happening is pretty rediculous at this point.
                I don't take any offense or disrespect to that comment, but at this point I can confidently say I am very much on the same page as Ronnie right now (we talk quite a bit). We both know the status of everything, but there just isn't always something to announce. The patch has been a long time coming so far, and you have to understand Ronnie just gets hounded for information all the time. His post was just a reassurance to those people that we'll have information soon.

                No need to shoot the messenger (Ronnie), he just wanted to make sure we got the info out there to NHL 2K fans that there would be a patch the same way the NBA fans got the heads up and wanted to acknowledge the people asking for more information.

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                • sharks
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 690

                  #128
                  Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                  Too bad Ronnie never specifies what how long "soon" is. Is it a few days? A few weeks? If he was more specific then that would definitely ease the wait.
                  My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/gosjsharks14

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                  • Shadow71
                    2K Sports Producer
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 68

                    #129
                    Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                    Originally posted by sharks
                    Too bad Ronnie never specifies what how long "soon" is. Is it a few days? A few weeks? If he was more specific then that would definitely ease the wait.
                    If he's not specific then it means it's something he can't state with absolute certainty.

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                    • sharks
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 690

                      #130
                      Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                      Originally posted by Shadow71
                      If he's not specific then it means it's something he can't state with absolute certainty.
                      Either way I really hope the patch comes out by December. As much as I like the game I just can't tolerate the issues any longer. Passive defense, unresponsive controls, the goalies, and freezes should get fixed.
                      My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/gosjsharks14

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                      • plaidchuck
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 893

                        #131
                        Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                        I think if there was at least some kind of semi-official list of at least what was being CONSIDERED for fixing people would be pretty happy.. so far it's just been improving stick-collision issues (which does sound awesome)
                        Pittsburgh - 2009 City of Champions! YES WE DID!

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                        • RealmK
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 4198

                          #132
                          Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                          Originally posted by rangersfan30
                          I made this post over at 2khockey.net

                          Check the video

                          To me none of this matters when you get what happened in this video i have linked

                          Anisimov goes walkabout

                          I kept pressing to get control of Anisimov but i wouldnt change, it comes back to my posts about the reactions of the user players to the puck, its like the puck is only part of the game to the user AI when it is on the stick of the user player.

                          Drop pass no reaction
                          Pinning no reaction
                          Goalie pass no reaction
                          loose pucks no reaction
                          Cycling the puck no reaction

                          All these things i have mentioned i have experienced many many times, players shoot off in different directions and its usually away from the puck taking them out the play.

                          They just dont do anything until you take control of the player and even that is a chore, it takes many presses of the change player button just to get control of the appropriate player.

                          The patch needs to address this and we need to know soon because we have been very patient. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_295772-->
                          That video is exactly the reason I shelved the game. Well that and the goalie diving head first pokes all over the place. Completely ruins any ounce of good thats in 2k10.

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                          • RealmK
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 4198

                            #133
                            Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                            Originally posted by Scottdau
                            But you can say that about anything. Even EA doesn't share everything. Even Sony or CD from bands. That has always been a pet peeve of mine. Why not share with the public? But they rarely do. I have no idea, but that is petty norm in the business world. Maybe 2K goes too far with it, but they are not the only company that does it. EA might do a little more becasue Litt is always sneaking stuff out.

                            One more he said he hopes to have information. What is so hard to understand about that? I am sure his hands are tied too. You can say defending 2k doesn't help, but ragging on them too will not help either. I say let them do what they do and see what happens. If you guys don't like that I don't know what to say. Maybe write a letter to the head guys and see if they will change that way of doing business.
                            People have explained the difference to you between both teams approaches more than once, and given valid reasons why they feel the way they do towards 2k's efforts the last couple cycles, yet you continue this nieve stance on it, and toss out the "EA Fanboy" card anytime someone mentions something you don't have a valid arguement for.

                            Defending an overall major lack of improvement since coming to next gen hasn't helped squat. Hell even Venom is starting to see that. 2k needs to actually DO what they say the're going to do. When WWTC makes a comment like putting the defensive awareness slider on 100 will make the cpu AI pressure you in the neutral zone pre release, then the game comes out and we find that the def AI is an absolute mess and that statement isn't anywhere near true, not to mention the game is already out that means not much info til 2 weeks before 2k11 hits. Well yeah I think people have a right to be a little teed off about it.

                            It's great that Shadow is at least attempting some communication though, even if its not the detailed info we'd like to see.

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                            • Scottdau
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 32580

                              #134
                              Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                              Originally posted by RealmK
                              People have explained the difference to you between both teams approaches more than once, and given valid reasons why they feel the way they do towards 2k's efforts the last couple cycles, yet you continue this nieve stance on it, and toss out the "EA Fanboy" card anytime someone mentions something you don't have a valid arguement for.

                              Defending an overall major lack of improvement since coming to next gen hasn't helped squat. Hell even Venom is starting to see that. 2k needs to actually DO what they say the're going to do. When WWTC makes a comment like putting the defensive awareness slider on 100 will make the cpu AI pressure you in the neutral zone pre release, then the game comes out and we find that the def AI is an absolute mess and that statement isn't anywhere near true, not to mention the game is already out that means not much info til 2 weeks before 2k11 hits. Well yeah I think people have a right to be a little teed off about it.

                              It's great that Shadow is at least attempting some communication though, even if its not the detailed info we'd like to see.

                              What ever! It is not worth it! We will agree to disagree.
                              Last edited by Scottdau; 11-09-2009, 11:31 PM.

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                              • daflyboys
                                Banned
                                • May 2003
                                • 18238

                                #135
                                Re: NHL 2K10 Patch Mention

                                Originally posted by Scottdau
                                We will agree to disagree.
                                No such thing. You just disagree.

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