The Official 2011-12 Regular Season Talk Thread

[Kobalt]

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What a dirty hit. I'm not surprise it was Lucic though, Miller is out with concussion.

[Dispatch]

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What a dirty hit. I'm not surprise it was Lucic though, Miller is out with concussion.

Was it a penalty? Yes. Should he be suspended for it? No.

Miller came out to play the puck, leaving his crease he became a part of the game. He paid the price for coming out of his crease.

Lucic weighs 230 pounds. Look at the video and notice when he looks up. He's about 10 feet away from Miller when he looks up and theres no way he's able to stop. He didn't have to hit Miller as hard as he did, but he's Lucic. He plays a tough physical game.

I love having Lucic on my team. The fact that not one member of the Sabres came to drop gloves with Lucic after their goalie just got run is embarrassing.

[SidVish]

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6-3 win over the Oilers. The Hawks have taken 16 out of a possible 20 points at home.

I just love the way these two teams play.

[Matt_350z]

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Its extremely embarassing that not one Sabre stepped up, and at the very least least "went through the motions" with a Bruins player. You would not see that if the roles were reversed.

Whats worse was Millers post game interview. Its laughable how "whiny" he comes off. It just paints him in such a bad light. I'm certain its making for some laughs in the Bruins locker room.

I don't want to see any player get hurt. However, Miller made a poor choice coming out that far to play the puck. I fully understand the rules- no contact with the goaltender. However, 230 lbs, on ice, is a lot of momentum to stop. I'm not saying Lucic is entirely absolved of any wrongdoing. He may or may not have known Miller was coming out. We have all played hockey, you know your surroundings, and who is where, at most times. I'm sure he knew Miller was coming out. However, this is hockey- not chess. I've got zero problems(under the circumstances) with the contact.

If MIller had been playing the puck behind the net, and Lucic came in and blasted him- thats an entirely different story.

[alifeincomplete]

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If that was any Sabre defenseman barreling down on Timmy Thomas and blasting him like that, leaving him with a concussion, I have a distinct feeling Boston fans would be singing a different tune. It's indefensible.

[BlueNGold]

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Yeah, I don't know about that play being dirty. At first glance it looks like it, but then you see the different camera angles and see that Lucic was looking down at the puck until about the last possible second before he runs into Miller. Also, Miller probably should have stayed in his net in that particular situation.

On another note, a big hell no to any suggestions of a backcourt rule in hockey. There's much easier and less extreme ways to go about that whole Philly/Tampa debacle.

[RealmK]

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If that was any Sabre defenseman barreling down on Timmy Thomas and blasting him like that, leaving him with a concussion, I have a distinct feeling Boston fans would be singing a different tune. It's indefensible.

If Timmeh was out that far he'd deserve to be blasted. Miller made a stupid mistake, and Lucic, while he prolly could have let up a little bit, I don't think really saw him til the last second anyway.

I loved Millers whack right after then his flopping to the ice like someone in the rafter sniped him. His comments afterwards scream out I'm only a goaltender because I'm a big puss.

[ImTellinTim]

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You can't defend Lucic on that one. Sorry.

Wild bounce back from a terrible loss against the Kings with a win against the Ducks in the second of back-to-back nights. The West Coast swing has ended with a 2-2 record. Decent I guess. Next up is at Columbus, which better be a win before returning to the X for 6 in a row.

[DrJones]

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Miller's out indefinitely with a concussion.

What a puss. He doesn't have a broken neck or a broken back or anything.

[Stu]

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I'm actually going to disagree with other Bruins fans on this one. I can't blame Miller for coming out because if he doesn't Lucic gets the puck and has a breakaway. I think Lucic was frustrated he lost control of the puck and knew exactly what he was doing so took it out on Miller. That being said, it really wasn't that bad of a hit and shouldn't result in any additional discipline just because Miller got hurt.

[RealmK]

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Miller's out indefinitely with a concussion.

What a puss. He doesn't have a broken neck or a broken back or anything.

Miller should have gone low and poked the puck.. I don't know what he was thinking trying to stand Lucic up.

Lucic had his head down right before contact as well. Could he have let up? Prolly. Should he have? Sure but if you're a goalie and you're going to come out that far to play a puck, don't expect to not get contact imo.

Not that Lucic shouldnt take blame for unloading on him but ffs be smart about it Miller.

[Money99]

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Lucic shouldn't have hit Miller. But then I ask myself "Why?".
If a goalie comes out of his crease, he should be fair game. Behind the net might be a bit different, but coming that far out to play a loose puck, I'm in the line of thinking the goalies are fair game.
Of course, Lucic went high on the hit and that's the biggest issue I have with it.

Hopefully Miller's okay. Concussions suck.

[daflyboys]

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So what's the rule (yup, here we go again with the NHL subjective rules system)? Can you check a goalie outside of the crease? How far outside of the crease? How much contact can you make?

The NHL does this to itself. Personally, I'm in favor of a goalie being fair game being fully outside of his crease. Make it a distinction. Either play your goal or play the puck.

[Money99]

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So what's the rule (yup, here we go again with the NHL subjective rules system)? Can you check a goalie outside of the crease? How far outside of the crease? How much contact can you make?

The NHL does this to itself. Personally, I'm in favor of a goalie being fair game being fully outside of his crease. Make it a distinction. Either play your goal or play the puck.

Good question.
I believe, according to the official rules, the goalie is fair game outside of the crease.

But I'd like the NHL to specify this as well. Make it clear as day that goalies are fair, or not fair game outside of the crease.

If Lucic gets a suspension it'll be because the hit was on the high-side. Seeing a goalies helmet come off and then hearing he may have a concussion doesn't bode well for Lucic's hearing.

[Stu]

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You can't check a goalie regardless of where he is on the ice. He is not fair game outside the crease.

69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.
When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.