The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #196
    Originally posted by Kobalt
    Erik Karlsson won the Norris trophy.
    Isn't it only starting now? I mean, it's obvious that he will, but was it on earlier?

    Does anyone really care where I sent this from?
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    • thedudedominick
      MVP
      • Mar 2009
      • 3794

      #197
      Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by ACMilan1999
      Isn't it only starting now? I mean, it's obvious that he will, but was it on earlier?

      Does anyone really care where I sent this from?
      Here in the US it started an hour earlier on NBCSports than it did in Canada.
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      • AC
        Win the East
        • Sep 2010
        • 14951

        #198
        Originally posted by thedudedominick
        Here in the US it started an hour earlier on NBCSports than it did in Canada.
        Don't spoil it!

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        "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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        • RealmK
          Banned
          • Sep 2003
          • 4198

          #199
          Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

          Originally posted by Kobalt
          Erik Karlsson won the Norris trophy.
          So ridiculous

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          • thedudedominick
            MVP
            • Mar 2009
            • 3794

            #200
            Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

            Originally posted by RealmK
            So ridiculous
            Clearly the voters decided Offense was more important than Defense in an award for the best DEFENSEman.
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            • AC
              Win the East
              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #201
              Originally posted by thedudedominick
              Clearly the voters decided Offense was more important than Defense in an award for the best DEFENSEman.
              You guys should talk to my cousin, a Sens fan. He's just so bad at defence! He doesn't deserve it one bit. I'm tempted to tell my Sens fan friends this, but they'd assault me.

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              • RealmK
                Banned
                • Sep 2003
                • 4198

                #202
                Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                Originally posted by thedudedominick
                Clearly the voters decided Offense was more important than Defense in an award for the best DEFENSEman.
                Which is why I called it ridiculous

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                • SidVish
                  2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 11743

                  #203
                  Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                  Here are all of the winners tonight.

                  http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...id=DL|NHL|home

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                  First-team All-NHL: Lundqvist, Karlsson, Weber, Malkin, Neal, Kovalchuk
                  Second team all-NHL: Quick, Chara, Pietrangelo, Stamkos, Gaborik, Whitney
                  NHL All-Rookie team: Enroth, Faulk, Gardiner, Henrique, Landeskog, Nugent-Hopkins
                  Last edited by SidVish; 06-20-2012, 08:10 PM.
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                  • DrJones
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 9109

                    #204
                    Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                    Surprised that Karlsson won, but I have no problem with it. Producing offence is part of a defenceman's value.

                    Cool to see Ray Whitney make an All-Star Team for the first time at 40 years old.
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                    • rdnk
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 5730

                      #205
                      Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                      Congrats to Karlsson. He deserved the award. He basically QBs the Sens offense and is solid in his own zone. When he is on the ice, the other team scores less due to his puck possession skills. I don't know why offensive defensemen get so much hate here.

                      Although I think Tallon deserved the GM of the Year, the voters did a great job.
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                      • AC
                        Win the East
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 14951

                        #206
                        Originally posted by rdnk
                        Congrats to Karlsson. He deserved the award.
                        That's debatable. He's got amazing offensive talent, but he can't play defense at all, and, well, that's kinda his position and all...



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                        • Kobalt
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                          • May 2010
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                          #207
                          Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                          I thought Tallon might have won as well. Speaking of GM of the year,



                          take that Lou Lamoriello and Ray Shero! I'm wondering who voted for Sherman, most people outside Colorado think he's a joke for some reason. I hated his moves at first, then he proved me wrong in every trade he made. Only GM to get a vote and not had his team made the playoffs.

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                          • rdnk
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 5730

                            #208
                            Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                            Originally posted by ACMilan1999
                            That's debatable. He's got amazing offensive talent, but he can't play defense at all, and, well, that's kinda his position and all...
                            I disagree (goes to whip out the advanced metrics)...

                            He has a Quality Comp Corsi of .657. When compared to the rest of the Senators defense he ranks second (behind Filip Kuba) in the quality of opponents that he faces. So it's not as if MacLean is sending him out against inferior players. He also averaged 25 minutes a game (8th in the league, more than Weber and Chara) and had an offensive zone start percentage of 57%, so it's not as though MacLean is only putting him out in offensive zone starts, compared to someone like MA Bergeron who had an offensive zone start percentage of 71%.

                            Karlsson had 67 takeaways, 16 more than the next best defenseman, Shea Weber.

                            Finally, we get to my favorite metric, Goals Versus Threshold. Karlsson was worth 21.5, Weber was worth 15.4 and Chara 18. So overall, Karlsson's defensive mediocrity is overshadowed by a dominant year offensively. He was just worth that much more than the next best defenseman (Chara).

                            Karlsson is a new age puck possession defenseman. He's not a big guy, thus he's not going to block a lot of shots or be laying out the hits, although he did have 65 and 60 respectively. However, when he's on the ice, you are going to score more goals than you give up, have a higher shot differential, control the puck more and out chance the opposition.

                            Is he as good defensively as Chara or Weber? Nope. He is just good enough and was so dominant offensively that he deserves the award.
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                            • thedudedominick
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 3794

                              #209
                              Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by Kobalt
                              I thought Tallon might have won as well. Speaking of GM of the year,



                              take that Lou Lamoriello and Ray Shero! I'm wondering who voted for Sherman, most people outside Colorado think he's a joke for some reason. I hated his moves at first, then he proved me wrong in every trade he made. Only GM to get a vote and not had his team made the playoffs.
                              Funny to see Lombardi not even getting a vote in this.
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                              • BunnyHardaway
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 15195

                                #210
                                Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                                Am I the only one that thinks G got robbed of an All-NHL selection?

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