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  • Psyblast
    2023 National Champions
    • Jun 2003
    • 42584

    #91
    Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

    Alright, going off of Cap Geek:

    Forwards:

    Datsyuk, $6.7M
    Zetterberg, $6.0M
    Franzen: $3.95M
    Filppula, $3.0M
    Cleary, $2.8M
    Bertuzzi, $2.075M
    Eaves, $1.2M
    Nyquist, $875K
    Miller, $837K
    Mursak, $550K
    Emmerton, $533K

    That's around 28.6 million right there.

    Defensemen:

    Kronwall, $4.75M
    Ericsson, $3.25M
    White, $2.875M
    Kindl, $883K
    Smith, $875K

    12.6 million on defense.

    And goalies:

    Howard, $2.25M
    MacDonald, $550K

    2.8 million in goal, for a total of 44 million, meaning the Wings have 21-25 million in cap space (using Doc's estimate as the floor and the current projected cap for next season before the new CBA as the ceiling).

    Helm and Abdelkader are restricted FAs and shouldn't make much more than say, Patrick Eaves. Say, 1.5 million for each. 18-22 million left.

    The only UFA forwards are Hudler and Holmstrom. If Holmstrom's decrepit, decomposing corpse comes back, it'll be for like, a million, max. And Hudler had a nice bounceback season, but he's not going to be paid more than Filppula. If the Wings feel confident about landing Parise, I can't imagine they'd be sad to see Hudler walk away.

    As for Quincey....ugh. I can't even begin to predict how much the Wings will pay him after they gave Jonathan Ericsson over three million dollars last year. Let's assume they do something similarly puzzling and give Quincey three million. Assuming Hudler and Holmstrom are gone in this hypothetical, that's 15-19 million left for free agency. I'm not familiar with the cap situations of other teams who will be in the Parise and Suter sweepstakes, but I do know a bit about the Red Wings and how they operate. When they approached Brian Rafalski they made sure he knew he wouldn't be making more than Lidstrom; I could see them wanting to take a similar approach towards Parise in regards to Datsyuk's 6.7M. But if Minnesota or New York or someone can offer 7+, I imagine the Wings would do the same. Considering some of the other players in that price range (Gaborik 7.5, Heatley 7.5, Lecavalier 7.7, SCOTT GOMEZ 7.3 (!!!!!!) ), 7.5M for Parise sounds right, leaving the Wings with 10.5-14.5 in cap space.

    On defense, Suter can basically name his price. Top 2 star defenseman under 30 and the Wings are desperate for help now. Brian Campbell has the highest cap hit for defensemen next season at 7.14, followed by 7.0 by Drew Doughty, 6.9 for Chara, 6.68 for Bouwmeester, 6.67 for Dan Boyle, 6.5 for Phaneuf and 6.3 for Timonen. Those are the only seven defensemen currently with cap hits over six million for next season, and I see maybe two out of the six that I'd take over Ryan Suter. Seven million for Suter is probably conservative.

    Parise (7.5) - Datsyuk (6.7) - Franzen (3.95)
    Filppula (3.0) - Zetterberg (6.0) - Bertuzzi (2.075)
    Eaves (1.2) - Helm (1.5) - Cleary (2.8)
    Miller (837K) - Abdelkader (1.5) - Nyquist (875K)

    Suter (7.0) - White (2.875)
    Kronwall (4.75) - Quincey (3.0)
    Ericsson (3.25) - Kindl (883K)

    Howard (2.25)
    MacDonald (550K)

    That's 62.5 million, which is less than even this year's cap.

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    • DrJones
      All Star
      • Mar 2003
      • 9109

      #92
      Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by rdnk
      That 21 M is a bit of a misnomer. Abdelkator, Quincey and Helm are restricted free agents. Maybe 6-7 M for the three to resign here. We could still get Parise and Suter though, but I think Holland will just go after Suter (assuming he hits the market). Defense is a bigger need at this time and we have to worry about resigning Howard, Filppula and others after next year.
      I agree that Suter is Holland's #1 target, but I still consider Detroit to be the most likely landing spot for Parise as well. A Suter-for-Lidstrom swap isn't that much of an upgrade, and I don't see the Wings being content to simply tread water among the other West contenders, especially if they have the means and opportunity to add a top-3 forward.
      Originally posted by Thrash13
      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
      Originally posted by slickdtc
      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
      Originally posted by Kipnis22
      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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      • DrJones
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        • Mar 2003
        • 9109

        #93
        Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

        Originally posted by Psyblast
        Logic.
        Yep. I view Parise the same way the I do Suter. If Parise really likes the idea of playing in Manhattan, or if he really loves his home state, or if he's drugged into staying in Jersey by Lou, then yes, he might sign somewhere other than Detroit.

        I'd put the odds of both Suter and Parise wearing the winged wheel at 65-70%. If for some reason Parise is hellbent on going elsewhere, Detroit will sign Semin, much to the consternation of OS Wings fans.
        Originally posted by Thrash13
        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
        Originally posted by slickdtc
        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
        Originally posted by Kipnis22
        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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        • DrJones
          All Star
          • Mar 2003
          • 9109

          #94
          Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

          Originally posted by Psyblast
          Brian Campbell has the highest cap hit for defensemen next season at 7.14, followed by 7.0 by Drew Doughty, 6.9 for Chara, 6.68 for Bouwmeester, 6.67 for Dan Boyle, 6.5 for Phaneuf and 6.3 for Timonen. Those are the only seven defensemen currently with cap hits over six million for next season, and I see maybe two out of the six that I'd take over Ryan Suter.
          Phaneuf and J-Bo, amirite?

          On a related note: Kings fans, if LA ends up winning the Cup, just remember, regardless of how grateful you may feel towards Darryl Sutter, NEVER NEVER NEVER allow him anywhere near the GM's job.
          Originally posted by Thrash13
          Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
          Originally posted by slickdtc
          DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
          Originally posted by Kipnis22
          yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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          • Kobalt
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            • May 2010
            • 9674

            #95
            Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

            I could see Suter getting 8M cap hit per year, and maybe 7M to only Nashville.

            I wonder where Justin Schultz will sign, probably some team in Canada.

            Also, Tim Thomas is considering taking a year off... ok.

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            • Kobalt
              All Star
              • May 2010
              • 9674

              #96
              Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

              Originally posted by DrJones
              Yep. I view Parise the same way the I do Suter. If Parise really likes the idea of playing in Manhattan, or if he really loves his home state, or if he's drugged into staying in Jersey by Lou, then yes, he might sign somewhere other than Detroit.

              I'd put the odds of both Suter and Parise wearing the winged wheel at 65-70%. If for some reason Parise is hellbent on going elsewhere, Detroit will sign Semin, much to the consternation of OS Wings fans.
              IMO Semin isn't bad as everyone make him out to be, I think he gets more flack cause he's Russian. I thought he played solid two-way game under Hunter. If I'm not mistaken, he and Datsyuk were great together in the World Championships. I also believe Semin could reach 40 goals playing with Datsyuk, maybe he'll play two way game all year then! Biggest mistake for McPhee is that he never got a #2C to play with Semin.

              Also please re-sign Quincey for 4M per year Detroit
              Last edited by Kobalt; 05-31-2012, 08:00 PM.

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              • rdnk
                All Star
                • Feb 2009
                • 5730

                #97
                Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                Originally posted by Kobalt
                IMO Semin isn't bad as everyone make him out to be, I think he gets more flack cause he's Russian. I thought he played solid two-way game under Hunter. If I'm not mistaken, he and Datsyuk were great together in the World Championships. I also believe Semin could reach 40 goals playing with Datsyuk, maybe he'll play two way game all year then! Biggest mistake for McPhee is that he never got a #2C to play with Semin.

                Also please re-sign Quincey for 4M per year Detroit
                I have no problems with Semin, except his injury history. I'm sure we would get him to be in top form if he comes here.

                Having said that, I'd rather bring up Nyquist and Tatar and staple them to the top 6 and see what they can do.

                I wouldn't be surprised if Quincey asks for that much. If he wants that much, they should take him to arbitration.
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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9109

                  #98
                  Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                  Originally posted by Kobalt
                  IMO Semin isn't bad as everyone make him out to be, I think he gets more flack cause he's Russian. I thought he played solid two-way game under Hunter. If I'm not mistaken, he and Datsyuk were great together in the World Championships. I also believe Semin could reach 40 goals playing with Datsyuk, maybe he'll play two way game all year then! Biggest mistake for McPhee is that he never got a #2C to play with Semin.
                  Semin had 4 points in 14 playoff games. What a waste.

                  I know this is anathema to 21st century hockey thinking, but not everyone can (or should) be a two-way player. Semin is a superb talent; my problem with isn't that he doesn't play D or is a headcase; my problem with him is that he doesn't score enough. If I was Babcock, I'd tell Semin, "Your job is to be a sniper, period. Score 40-50 goals per season, and I won't care if you play D or not; Dats can handle that for you. But if you don't score at least 40, I'm going to make your life a living hell."
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • l3ulvl
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 17252

                    #99
                    Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                    GEORGE: Students can't clean. It's anathema. (Jerry's confused) ..They don't like it.
                    JERRY: How long have you been waiting to squeeze that into a conversation?
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                    • Kobalt
                      All Star
                      • May 2010
                      • 9674

                      #100
                      Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                      Originally posted by DrJones
                      Semin had 4 points in 14 playoff games. What a waste.

                      I know this is anathema to 21st century hockey thinking, but not everyone can (or should) be a two-way player. Semin is a superb talent; my problem with isn't that he doesn't play D or is a headcase; my problem with him is that he doesn't score enough. If I was Babcock, I'd tell Semin, "Your job is to be a sniper, period. Score 40-50 goals per season, and I won't care if you play D or not; Dats can handle that for you. But if you don't score at least 40, I'm going to make your life a living hell."
                      Who were his linemates though? I can't remember, I think Semin is a guy that benefits a lot from playmaking center, which came to my conclusion of playing with Datsyuk = 40 goals for him. His wrist shot is a thing of a beauty.


                      Originally posted by l3ulvl
                      GEORGE: Students can't clean. It's anathema. (Jerry's confused) ..They don't like it.
                      JERRY: How long have you been waiting to squeeze that into a conversation?
                      This guy is too young for Seinfeld (assuming that's where it's from)

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                      • l3ulvl
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 17252

                        #101
                        Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                        Originally posted by Kobalt
                        This guy is too young for Seinfeld (assuming that's where it's from)
                        lol yessir. It's the only other time I've ever heard the word anathema.

                        And you're never too young for Seinfeld
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                        • DrJones
                          All Star
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 9109

                          #102
                          Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                          Too young for Seinfeld...??

                          Am I really 15 years older than everyone else here? Jesus Christ.
                          Originally posted by Thrash13
                          Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                          Originally posted by slickdtc
                          DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                          Originally posted by Kipnis22
                          yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                          • DrJones
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 9109

                            #103
                            Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                            In other news, Tim Thomas [REDACTED - TOS VIOLATION] [REDACTED - TOS VIOLATION]

                            Where does everyone think Thomas is going to end up? If he's serious about sitting out the season, it really puts the Bruins in a bind, as his 5M salary will still count against the cap. Wonder if they'd consider trading him to a team that will difficulty reaching the cap floor.
                            Last edited by DrJones; 06-02-2012, 11:31 PM.
                            Originally posted by Thrash13
                            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                            Originally posted by slickdtc
                            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                            Originally posted by Kipnis22
                            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                            • Kobalt
                              All Star
                              • May 2010
                              • 9674

                              #104
                              Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by DrJones
                              In other news, Tim Thomas [REDACTED - TOS VIOLATION] [REDACTED - TOS VIOLATION]

                              Where does everyone think Thomas is going to end up? If he's serious about sitting out the season, it really puts the Bruins in a bind, as his 5M salary will still count against the cap. Wonder if they'd consider trading him to a team that will difficulty reaching the cap floor.
                              I think he's just saying he might sit out a year because his NTC ends July 1st and he doesn't want on a team like CBJ or something.

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                              • DrJones
                                All Star
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 9109

                                #105
                                Re: The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

                                Originally posted by Kobalt
                                I think he's just saying he might sit out a year because his NTC ends July 1st and he doesn't want on a team like CBJ or something.
                                He just announced on Facebook that he is indeed sitting out the season. If it's a tactic, it's a strange one, as Boston (or whoever they trade his rights to) could make Thomas play out the last year of his contract in 2013/14, so long as they're willing to take the 5M cap hit next season and 13/14. The Bruins won't do this, of course, but a low-budget team needing to hit the cap floor (COL, PHX, NYI) might. Doubt if Boston will get anything but a conditional pick for him, though.
                                Originally posted by Thrash13
                                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                                Originally posted by slickdtc
                                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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