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  • Majingir
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    • Apr 2005
    • 47430

    #1

    NHL 2021 Offseason

    For most of the league, it's already the offseason.

    This is sure to be another crazy offseason.

    Cap staying the same despite almost 1B in TV revenue.

    We also have Seattle entering the league and a fun expansion draft coming up.

    Also have the most unpredictable entry draft in NHL history.

    And we also have a number of big FA, some will probably stay where they are (like Ovechkin), and other big names could go elsewhere (Hall, Getzlaf, Rask, Stastny).

    Oilers have also said they wouldn't rule out a buyout (aka James Neal). Like some other teams, I'd guess they'll wait and see what Seattle does first and see if Seattle takes a big money guy, or if the asking price to take a big money guy is more worth it than being on the hook for the buyout cap.
  • Majingir
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    • Apr 2005
    • 47430

    #2
    Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

    Eichel/Marner deal, who says no?

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    • DrJones
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      • Mar 2003
      • 9107

      #3
      Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

      Originally posted by Majingir
      Eichel/Marner deal, who says no?
      Buffalo, easily.
      Originally posted by Thrash13
      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
      Originally posted by slickdtc
      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
      Originally posted by Kipnis22
      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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      • rdnk
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        • Feb 2009
        • 5730

        #4
        Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

        Originally posted by Majingir
        Eichel/Marner deal, who says no?
        How about Marner/Seth Jones? Apparently Seth Jones wants out...
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        • Majingir
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          • Apr 2005
          • 47430

          #5
          Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

          Originally posted by rdnk
          How about Marner/Seth Jones? Apparently Seth Jones wants out...
          A top 4 with Rielly,Brodie,Muzzin,Jones would be deadly.

          And Jones would cost less than Marner. That money alone could be used on another top 6 forward.

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          • DrJones
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            • Mar 2003
            • 9107

            #6
            Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

            Originally posted by rdnk
            How about Marner/Seth Jones? Apparently Seth Jones wants out...
            See, that might be doable, assuming Toronto is willing to pay Columbus as much of Marner's salary as possible and is willing to live with the fact that Jones could bolt next summer.

            EDIT: Hmmm, I notice that more than 90% of the Marner's salary is via massive signing bonuses. Is Toronto allowed to eat a percentage of that?
            Last edited by DrJones; 05-31-2021, 11:21 PM.
            Originally posted by Thrash13
            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
            Originally posted by slickdtc
            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
            Originally posted by Kipnis22
            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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            • Majingir
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              • Apr 2005
              • 47430

              #7
              Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

              Originally posted by DrJones
              See, that might be doable, assuming Toronto is willing to pay Columbus as much of Marner's salary as possible and is willing to live with the fact that Jones could bolt next summer.

              EDIT: Hmmm, I notice that more than 90% of the Marner's salary is via massive signing bonuses. Is Toronto allowed to eat a percentage of that?
              We're almost done with the forever retained cap on Kessel, doing it for Marner now when the cap won't be going up will suck too.

              But they can retain salary. And dealing him after that years signing bonus kicks in is 1 year less money that a team would need to worry about in a trade.

              Too bad NHL won't ever have luxury tax. If they're not raising the cap, why not have the luxury tax.

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              • DrJones
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                • Mar 2003
                • 9107

                #8
                Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                Originally posted by Majingir
                We're almost done with the forever retained cap on Kessel, doing it for Marner now when the cap won't be going up will suck too.

                But they can retain salary. And dealing him after that years signing bonus kicks in is 1 year less money that a team would need to worry about in a trade.

                Too bad NHL won't ever have luxury tax. If they're not raising the cap, why not have the luxury tax.
                Right, but Marner's salary is NHL minimum 700K. Would the Jackets on the hook for all the bonuses once he's been dealt?
                Originally posted by Thrash13
                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                Originally posted by slickdtc
                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                • Majingir
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                  • Apr 2005
                  • 47430

                  #9
                  Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                  Originally posted by DrJones
                  Right, but Marner's salary is NHL minimum 700K. Would the Jackets on the hook for all the bonuses once he's been dealt?
                  I believe signing bonuses would count as retained salary.

                  But if Leafs trade him after his next bonus kicks in and let's say retains 10%, whoever acquires him will have a 10m cap hit on him, but only really paying him 23m over his final 4 years.

                  Maybe some teams won't even have an issue with his full cap hit since his salary would be 25m for 4 years. If you're a team near the cap floor, his cap hit helps you go up 11m, while you only pay him 6.25m a year.

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                  • rdnk
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                    • Feb 2009
                    • 5730

                    #10
                    Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                    Jackets would be on the hook for all the bonuses once the trade is completed. Bonus salary can be retained.

                    However, if Toronto waited until after Marner's 9.6 M bonus is due before trading him, this could help facilitate a deal with a team with cash issues. While this wouldn't change the cap dynamic, it does change the money dynamic, making the Marner deal one of those where the cap hit is higher than the money owed. Columbus for example has spent to the cap before, but they're really more of a mid market team. They might prefer the Leafs paying the 9.6 M rather than cap retention especially considering the financial ramifications of COVID and no playoffs this year.

                    A Laine-Domi-Marner line would be a lot of fun if Columbus brings in a more offensive coach to replace Torts. Not to mention secondary firepower behind them in Nyquist, Roslovic, Bjorkstrand, Atkinson and Jenner. On the back end they could sign someone like Adam Larsson to be Werenski's more defensive minded partner. Lastly, they have a potential top 5 pick that could be in the NHL next year plus two more firsts from Toronto and Tampa to use as ammo if they want to try and win now.
                    Last edited by rdnk; 06-01-2021, 08:20 AM.
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                    • Kobalt
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                      • May 2010
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                      #11
                      Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                      Will Dubas go against analytics for 2nd straight offseason and trade for Jones though? His fancy stats are horrible.

                      I guess the main question is if you trust your pro scouts enough to be ok with giving up good value for him and a rich contract.

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                      • rdnk
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                        • Feb 2009
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                        #12
                        Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                        His fancy stats this year are horrendous, but in previous years they were more mixed. I think the big appeal is the upside; he has such a rare physical skill set and is still relatively young. His floor is a mediocre top pairing guy but his ceiling is HOF'er.

                        Regardless of which team ends up trading for him, Columbus is going to receive quite the package.
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                        • Majingir
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                          • Apr 2005
                          • 47430

                          #13
                          Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                          Top 3 in the draft this year

                          1. Sabres

                          2. Seattle

                          3. Ducks


                          Sabres will be the new Oilers.

                          They've had a top 8 pick in the last 9 straight drafts.

                          And of those 9 drafts, they've had a top 2 pick in 4 of them.
                          Last edited by Majingir; 06-02-2021, 07:25 PM.

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                          • pietasterp
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 6237

                            #14
                            Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                            Detroit Red Wings: 6th best odds to get the #1 pick. Lottery draw: 6th overall pick.

                            The Pistons and the Wings absolutely never out-draw their statistical draft order. I think it's literally never happened for either squad.

                            It's going to be another decade before any team from Detroit contends for a title.

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                            • rdnk
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                              • Feb 2009
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                              #15
                              Re: NHL 2021 Offseason

                              Honestly I'm just happy we didn't move down... like every other year since the rebuild began. I don't think a Detroit team has ever won (or even moved up in) a draft lottery before.

                              That said, I don't think this is a draft where it was a must win (unlike last year grrr). With the way the scouting is this year, we could get someone at 6 nearly as good as someone in the top 2.
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