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  • Seymour Scagnetti
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 2489

    #136
    Re: US Open

    You guys are too much. He had his knee scoped, which means they took out torn cartlidge, it's a same day surgery. They poke 4 tiny holes in your knee and take out the cartlidge and you stop limping after 2 weeks. The only thing funnier is hearing the commentators say he had reconstructive knee surgery. If he had that he would been out for a year minimum. I've had it done 3 times as well as repairing a completely torn ACL on that same knee. Expected time of recovery 3 to 4 weeks and MAXIMUM 6 weeks for someone who would be much older than Tiger and in alot worse shape. In fact many pro athletes in other sports have come back after 3 weeks and we're talking football and hockey players where the strain on your knee is much worse. And you're right I wasn't golfing 8 weeks after, it was hockey 4 weeks after.

    The only, and I repeat ONLY after effect of this surgery is swelling and some randon throbbing pain, nothing you do physically could cause it to make you wince in pain because you are not straining anything, nothing has been repaired. You are taking out torn cartilidge. The long term effects are worse in that bone is rubbing against bone in your knee which could cause arthritis when you are older.

    If his knee was swollen to the point where it would cause him to wince when he shot, he would be limping the whole time and he would be wincing after every single shot because I doubt the swelling would go up and down from hole to hole. Wincing on the odd shot makes no sense that's why I was skeptical. I initially thought he had a torn ligament repaired but when i read it was a simple scope that's a 45 minute surgery then you get skeptical when you've rested for 8 weeks.

    How many shots do you think he took in practice before he played the US open. I would think quite a few, at least in the hundreds, and if he was in that much pain due to swelling there is no way he could walk around the course for 5 days. The funniest part is that Tiger saying that the doctors told him he shouldn't be playing because I like to hear them explain how he is harming his knee further from getting cartlidge removed by playing golf.

    You're telling me this "courageous effort" doesn't make for a great story decades from now to cement his reputation. Hell I would ham it up the same way. You win either way. If he loses, it's because of the knee and if he wins then he looks like the bravest athlete on earth. Paul Pierce did the same thing, it's nothing new.
    Last edited by Seymour Scagnetti; 06-17-2008, 12:07 AM.

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    • pfunk880
      MVP
      • Jul 2004
      • 4452

      #137
      Re: US Open

      Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
      You guys are too much. He had his knee scoped, which means they took out torn cartlidge, it's a same day surgery. They poke 4 tiny holes in your knee and take out the cartlidge and you stop limping after 2 weeks. The only thing funnier is hearing the commentators say he had reconstructive knee surgery. If he had that he would been out for a year minimum. I've had it done 3 times as well as repairing a completely torn ACL. Expected time of recovery 3 to 4 weeks. In fact many pro athletes in other sports have come back after 3 weeks and we're talking football and hockey players where the strain on your knee is much worse. And you're right I wasn't golfing 8 weeks after, it was hockey 4 weeks after.

      The only, and I repeat ONLY after effect of this surgery is swelling and some randon throbbing pain, nothing you do physically could cause it to make you wince in pain because you are not straining anything, nothing has been repaired. You are taking out torn cartilidge. The long term effects are worse in that bone is rubbing against bone in your knee which could cause arthritis when you are older.

      If his knee was swollen to the point where it would cause him to wince when he shot, he would be limping the whole time and he would be wincing after every single shot because I doubt the swelling would go up and down from hole to hole. Wincing on the odd shot makes no sense that's why I was skeptical. I initially thought he had a torn ligament repaired but when i read it was a simple scope that's a 45 minute surgery then you get skeptical when you've rested for 8 weeks.

      How many shots do you think he took in practice before he played the US open. I would think quite a few, at least in the hundreds, and if he was in that much pain due to swelling there is no way he could walk around the course for 5 days. The funniest part is that Tiger saying that the doctors told him he shouldn't be playing because I like to hear them explain how he is harming his knee further from getting cartlidge removed by playing golf.

      You're telling me this "courageous effort" doesn't make for a great story decades from now to cement his reputation. Hell I would ham it up the same way. You win either way. If he loses, it's because of the knee and if he wins then he looks like the bravest athlete on earth. Paul Pierce did the same thing, it's nothing new.
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      • Scott
        Your Go-to TV Expert
        • Jul 2002
        • 20032

        #138
        Re: US Open

        Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
        You guys are too much. He had his knee scoped, which means they took out torn cartlidge, it's a same day surgery. They poke 4 tiny holes in your knee and take out the cartlidge and you stop limping after 2 weeks. The only thing funnier is hearing the commentators say he had reconstructive knee surgery. If he had that he would been out for a year minimum. I've had it done 3 times as well as repairing a completely torn ACL on that same knee. Expected time of recovery 3 to 4 weeks and MAXIMUM 6 weeks for someone who would be much older than Tiger and in alot worse shape. In fact many pro athletes in other sports have come back after 3 weeks and we're talking football and hockey players where the strain on your knee is much worse. And you're right I wasn't golfing 8 weeks after, it was hockey 4 weeks after.

        The only, and I repeat ONLY after effect of this surgery is swelling and some randon throbbing pain, nothing you do physically could cause it to make you wince in pain because you are not straining anything, nothing has been repaired. You are taking out torn cartilidge. The long term effects are worse in that bone is rubbing against bone in your knee which could cause arthritis when you are older.

        If his knee was swollen to the point where it would cause him to wince when he shot, he would be limping the whole time and he would be wincing after every single shot because I doubt the swelling would go up and down from hole to hole. Wincing on the odd shot makes no sense that's why I was skeptical. I initially thought he had a torn ligament repaired but when i read it was a simple scope that's a 45 minute surgery then you get skeptical when you've rested for 8 weeks.

        How many shots do you think he took in practice before he played the US open. I would think quite a few, at least in the hundreds, and if he was in that much pain due to swelling there is no way he could walk around the course for 5 days. The funniest part is that Tiger saying that the doctors told him he shouldn't be playing because I like to hear them explain how he is harming his knee further from getting cartlidge removed by playing golf.

        You're telling me this "courageous effort" doesn't make for a great story decades from now to cement his reputation. Hell I would ham it up the same way. You win either way. If he loses, it's because of the knee and if he wins then he looks like the bravest athlete on earth. Paul Pierce did the same thing, it's nothing new.
        So what your saying is all knee damage is the same? Thats good to know.
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        • Seymour Scagnetti
          Banned
          • Oct 2006
          • 2489

          #139
          Re: US Open

          You guys don't really like to listen when it comes to hero worship. I'll say it one more time. Loose or torn cartlidge has nothing to do with stablilzing the knee and hence you can't strain anything by playing golf except for pain you would feel from a lasting swelling which would make you wince after every single shot and you would sure as hell have problems walking normally if that swelling was that bad. If Tiger had swelling that made him wince it would get progressively worse as he kept playing and he sure as hell wouldn't be able to swing normally if it got to that point where he wants to scream out in pain. The ligaments are what stabilize the knee and then that's when it gets messy and you can do lasting damage especially when you're a running back.

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          • Brandon13
            All Star
            • Oct 2005
            • 8915

            #140
            Re: US Open

            I'm open to the idea that Tiger might have been over exaggerating how much pain he was in, but I'm not going to flat say he was faking.

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            • yvesdereuter
              Banned
              • Jun 2007
              • 1688

              #141
              Re: US Open

              Does anyone know if they could take a cart to the 7th hole in the playoff today? If not thats got to be brutal after 90 rounds of golf and you have to walk half the course just to get to your playoff hole.

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              • Blzer
                Resident film pundit
                • Mar 2004
                • 42520

                #142
                Re: US Open

                What sucks about my worst injuries is they can't ever be seen by a bruise or an x-ray. I have had back problems since sixth grade that my mom swears she used to have. But mine are different. They are in the upper right shoulder blade area. My back has "gone out of place" on many occasions, some more random than others. I've done it twice in baseball (once taking myself out for a long time because there was more pain in the neck area, one was from swinging and one was from sliding into third), I've had one from skateboarding, one from boogie boarding, one from sleeping, one from trying to force a small hat on my head (yes), one from falling off a trampoline... you name it.

                Anyway, there are times when, before or after the standard pain is gone, I have issues with my back even still. Many people think I'm faking it. The problem is, people that haven't experienced the pain don't know what it's like. It's like hell and back. It's random, sharp, and most of all, annoying. But the important thing is that it's random. Not all back problems are the same. I've seen a chiropractor many times, and he even says they're all different. He couldn't even guarantee success with the way he was doing what he did with my back, because they're all different.

                I don't even know why I explained that. I guess I'm just trying to say that if you think Tiger is faking it for moral support, you gotta just hold back and appreciate what he does either way. He never made it an excuse. The only ones that did were the commentators... the same ones that also said he underwent reconstructive surgery.



                By the way, that was the most thrilling Sunday and Monday in golf I have seen in this millennium. Congratulations, Tigre!
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                • Hammerhunker
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 3007

                  #143
                  Re: US Open

                  Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                  You guys don't really like to listen when it comes to hero worship. I'll say it one more time. Loose or torn cartlidge has nothing to do with stablilzing the knee and hence you can't strain anything by playing golf except for pain you would feel from a lasting swelling which would make you wince after every single shot and you would sure as hell have problems walking normally if that swelling was that bad. If Tiger had swelling that made him wince it would get progressively worse as he kept playing and he sure as hell wouldn't be able to swing normally if it got to that point where he wants to scream out in pain. The ligaments are what stabilize the knee and then that's when it gets messy and you can do lasting damage especially when you're a running back.
                  You now, you're right as always. Tiger was faking it! It was all a ploy to gain worldwide sympathy and lure Mediate into a false sense of security so he could ambush Rocco on the 91st hole.

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                  • BleacherCreature
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 3160

                    #144
                    Re: US Open

                    Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                    You guys don't really like to listen when it comes to hero worship. I'll say it one more time. Loose or torn cartlidge has nothing to do with stablilzing the knee and hence you can't strain anything by playing golf except for pain you would feel from a lasting swelling which would make you wince after every single shot and you would sure as hell have problems walking normally if that swelling was that bad. If Tiger had swelling that made him wince it would get progressively worse as he kept playing and he sure as hell wouldn't be able to swing normally if it got to that point where he wants to scream out in pain. The ligaments are what stabilize the knee and then that's when it gets messy and you can do lasting damage especially when you're a running back.
                    Thanks for the info there, doc. Have you cured cancer yet too?

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                    • pfunk880
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 4452

                      #145
                      Re: US Open

                      Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                      Loose or torn cartlidge has nothing to do with stablilzing the knee and hence you can't strain anything by playing golf except for pain you would feel from a lasting swelling which would make you wince after every single shot and you would sure as hell have problems walking normally if that swelling was that bad.
                      What about a torn ligament, or a double stress fracture? Can that make you feel pain?
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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #146
                        Re: US Open

                        LOL, owned.
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                        • DickDalewood

                          #147
                          Re: US Open

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          LOL, owned.
                          Haha, we probably won't hear a peep out of him now...

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                          • Casper
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 70

                            #148
                            Re: US Open

                            Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                            Sorry but I gotta comment on this knee thing. Tiger had his knee scoped 8 weeks ago, something that I have had done several times and in 6 weeks any pain was gone, what remains is swelling if you stay on it too long and any pain I had in the meantime was throbbing random pain that would have nothing to do with physical exertion. While I'm sure he was in discomfort he wouldn't be wincing after a shot because I don't see how it's possible, his knee would be a little swollen, that's it. He got cartilidge taken out it's not like it was a torn ligament. There was an instance where he was in the bunker on Sunday and put all his weight on his left knee to look a the green and no wince at all.

                            If his knee was as sore as his face showed it to be after, coincedentally, only bad shots there would have been a noticeable limp simply because his knee would have been swollen. If anything Mediate was probably as in much discomfort because he's had terrible back problems.

                            I don't hate Tiger but he has an ego and it makes for great TV and his ego that he makes it look like he's playing on one leg because it adds to his legend. Similar to Michael Jordan in the finals against Utah where he had the flu but acted like he had the bird flu. If he was as bad as he acted you are not playing more than 10 minutes before you are flat on your back. We have all had a bad flu and you can barely get off the coach and lift your arms yet Jordan plays 40 minutes and is leading scorer. It's embellishing for the camera.
                            Obviously you don't have a clue what your talking about

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                            • Herbsinator
                              All Star
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 4573

                              #149
                              Re: US Open

                              I think I am justified in saying: All the Tiger haters out there need to STFU

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                              • SpacemanSpiff
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 1279

                                #150
                                Re: US Open

                                Originally posted by pfunk880
                                What about a torn ligament, or a double stress fracture? Can that make you feel pain?
                                Bah, torn ligaments, double stress fractures. Go on with your blind hero worship. Seymour and I know what's really up. Tiger is a robot pretending to have injuries so he can get some more needed accolades and praise. You buncha fools.
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