Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions

[DivotMaker]

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The question for me is why don't the devs allow one the option to disable the meter on any difficulty? I've never understood the almost complete lack of customization options in this series.

Hmmm, I seem to recall an option to disable the swing meter....I don't worry about it though as I play Kinect-only in First Person View most of the time in Tournament difficulty. Check the Gameplay Settings to see if that option is not available. If not, I would agree with you that you should have such an option.

[lnin0]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions

The question for me is why don't the devs allow one the option to disable the meter on any difficulty? I've never understood the almost complete lack of customization options in this series.

You can customize any of the options independently - swing meter, caddy, put assist, green grid, etc. Similar to Forza the more assists you turn off the greater you XP multiplier becomes.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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So I heard good things about the Move implementation in this game and I couldn't resist the temptation to try it out with the demo so I bought a Move today (in a last ditch effort to like this game) and I have only 3 words that could describe the experience..... FAN-TAS-TIC!!!!!

I was shocked how intuitive it was, especially with the short game as chipping was orgasmic, and the Move lends itself much better with the new swing control if only in the fact the aiming marker does not control your swing distance for drives or putting. Everything was done by feel and those in between shots just meant a softer stroke which I guess is the idea with the joystick but the joystick is just too sensitive for distance control and much too forgiving with hitting it straight.

The control layout took awhile to figure out because this was my 1st time with the Move but once I figured out which button does what, it was very easy to set up your shot and it finally made me appreciate the endless # of shots you could set up. This is gonna be one fun party game with my buddies and for every other mode.

It may be a little forgiving with straight drives on tourney level if you have a good stroke (but you will still hook it often enough and it certainly isn;t easy) but the rewards you get when you plan and execute a well placed chip shot more than makes up for it. I had a chip a few yards off the green and it took me while to how I was gonna go about it but once I figured out the best shot type and managed to swing it perfectly, it was the best feeling I ever had with a shot in a TW game as it just ended up a few feet short of the hole.

It's not a golf simulator but it is the next best thing and just to have precision putting in there (at least it felt alot better than the joystock version which generally I find just to be a north\south game of darts where the only variable is distance control as you hit everything straight) and the enhanced short game makes this a no brainer to get if you have a PS3.

I have no idea if the Kinect version is this satisfying but as I said I think this new tempo swing's benefits are much more apparent and beneficial when you are using motion control.

Kudos to the Dev who improved the Move this year and saved the game for me this year. I feel like I'm on a real course sometimes because of the thought I have to put in some of the shots.

Note to Onlooker: If you get the PS3 version, add me as a friend (PSN is rommi) and I look forward to playing some online rounds with you (can you do that in real time with the Move?, I don't play online that much)

If you're getting the PS3 version, do yourself a favour and get the Move for it. It may be not totally perfect but it is easily the best representation of motion control golf and several steps ahead of the Wii versions I played if just for the short game alone.

[JaymeeAwesome]

Man, gamers are a fickle bunch. It's funny to hear people complain that this game is too "arcadey." Well, a golf game pretty much has to be more arcadey to be fun. A football game does not. A basketball game does not. Golf is a completely different genre and the real-life game of golf is the most difficult game to master on the planet. If it was a true golf simulation, most of us would be shooting in the mid-90s or worse and would break our controllers. I

If I want true simulation golf, I will go out to my local course and play 18 holes. That's the great thing about golf, you don't need to be a genetic freak to play the game and have fun. Football games are different. I want a simulation football game because real football is so exciting and fun and blocking and tackling are actually fun in real-life... plus, I can't play football competitively, so I want the game to closely mimic the sport as it possibly can.

With all that said, and the difference in the genres between golf and football, and me being an avid golfer myself, and working on qualifying for my local state amateur tournament, I love the demo. And I loved the new swing mechanics. And yeah, it might be easy, but that's the most enjoyable part of the game. I may never be able to shoot a 59 IRL... but I can at Augusta in Tiger Woods. That's so cool, shoot a 59 at Augusta... it may never be done, but I can make it a reality in a video game. Pretty cool. Now, some people may hate that bc it's not realistic. But, for me, golf is such a tough game in real life, that it's fun to actually be able to do that.

Anyway, I really liked the demo and will probably be picking this game up. Just my .02

This basically sums it up. We want all the popular sport games to be sim because we can't even go out there and do that. Anyone can go out on a golf course, so if you want sim go play a round.

[tsp120]

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This basically sums it up. We want all the popular sport games to be sim because we can't even go out there and do that. Anyone can go out on a golf course, so if you want sim go play a round.

When it comes to a golf sim, people want the ability play as a pro or like a pro, much like they do in games like Madden and FIFA.

People want to play these games and shoot a round at -5 and compete in tournaments of players shooting similar numbers. This can be done realistically by giving the user the ability to hit the ball longer, farther and more accurately then they really could on a golf course...basically giving them the talent that the pro golfers have.

However, they still want the challenge of managing a golf course. They need to read the green right, properly account for the wind and take a nice swing to get the ball where they want it. If they don't do those things, they'll end up in the water, a green side bunker or the rough.

What I'm reading as the primary complaint (I can't get the demo yet so I haven't played it, but I've been keeping up with this thread) is in putting you don't need any feel at all. All you need to do is read the green right. That's the sim aspect that people are missing. They want to have to read the green right and put the right touch on their putt in order for it to be good.

So I'm not sure I agree when someone says if you want a true golf sim, go out to the real course. No...if I want to go golfing, I'll go out to a real golf course. If I want to compete in a PGA Tour event, I need a sim game that gives me the ability to compete at the level but still manage most of the aspects of the game that a professional would. Likewise, if I want to play soccer I'll grab a ball, call some friends and head to the park. If I want to play in the champions league, I'll need to turn on my xbox.

[Yeats]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions

It's funny to hear people complain that this game is too "arcadey." Well, a golf game pretty much has to be more arcadey to be fun. A football game does not. A basketball game does not. Golf is a completely different genre and the real-life game of golf is the most difficult game to master on the planet. If it was a true golf simulation, most of us would be shooting in the mid-90s or worse and would break our controllers.

Golf can't be sim while other sport games can be? That makes no sense. Applying your same logic here, playing a realistic/sim football video game would then mean all the couch potatoes here at OS would be getting sacked every play, or would fumble or trip, and/or would turtle up at the first glimpe of a 300 lb lineman zeroing in on them.

Perhaps you have simply misremembered all the realistic golf sims that have come out over the past couple of decades? (Not that I'm commenting one way or the other on the TW 13 demo as I haven't played it yet.)

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Yeah I hate that "well if it's not sim enough for ya, then go play real golf". Well what do you say about the guy who lives in the Northeast (like me) and can only play golf from May to October? A sports video game is a nice diversion when you're stuck in the house much more often. It's a ridiculous statement and just a convenient excuse for a sports game's shortcomings.

Let's be honest, as far as AI is concerned a video golf game doesn't have much to worry about compared to basketball or football (which takes up alot of developer's time) so making it more simlike should be an easier undertaking than team sport games.

[DivotMaker]

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Let's be honest, as far as AI is concerned a video golf game doesn't have much to worry about compared to basketball or football (which takes up alot of developer's time) so making it more simlike should be an easier undertaking than team sport games.

How do you figure when there are 150 or so golfers for every tournament playing at least 36 holes per round then, another 70 or so playing the final 36 holes? There are numerous data points for each golfer's stats with which to determine how the golfer will play each round with all of the course variables. 150 golfers versus 22 football players on the field at any given time or 1o basketball players on the court at any given time.....can't see where you come to your conclusion "as far as AI is concerned a video golf game doesn't have much to worry about" .......

[erickonasis]

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I'm loving the demo besides the fact that its too short

[stiffarmleft]

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How do you figure when there are 150 or so golfers for every tournament playing at least 36 holes per round then, another 70 or so playing the final 36 holes? There are numerous data points for each golfer's stats with which to determine how the golfer will play each round with all of the course variables. 150 golfers versus 22 football players on the field at any given time or 1o basketball players on the court at any given time.....can't see where you come to your conclusion "as far as AI is concerned a video golf game doesn't have much to worry about" .......

The only thing is these data points are calculated in the backround and probably not in real time, the only visual representation is the leader board, you don't see all 150 golfers swing at one time. Having AI for 22 player and the visual representations of the multitude of outcomes based on various data calculations being represented in real time is way more taxing than a golf game, it's not even close.

[DivotMaker]

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Since I do not write AI code and I am assuming you don't either, all we have are our opinions and they obviously vary.......keep in mind I am not suggesting Golf AI code is as complex as football, soccer, or basketball, but I do not agree that it is not even close....

[hoss409]

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when playing with the kinect can you swing with a real golf club in your hands or not?

[tsp120]

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Since I do not write AI code and I am assuming you don't either, all we have are our opinions and they obviously vary.......keep in mind I am not suggesting Golf AI code is as complex as football, soccer, or basketball, but I do not agree that it is not even close....

22 football players all need to be aware of each other and make decisions based upon what the others are doing. That makes it exponentially more difficult to program than golfers in a tournament. I'm a software developer and I can tell you creating CPU AI for golf would be far easier. Just sayin.

[DivotMaker]

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when playing with the kinect can you swing with a real golf club in your hands or not?

Yes, you can...just make sure you have plenty of room....

[hoss409]

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Yes, you can...just make sure you have plenty of room....

thanks dude thats awesome. Gonna go buy a 360 and kinect right now. SO PUMPED