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  • OnlookerDelay
    MVP
    • Oct 2003
    • 3442

    #361
    Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

    Originally posted by DivotMaker
    Here's the deal. Not baffling at all if you understand NG game design and the decisions being made in this game market today. The RM Tiburon Golf Team is likely smaller than the TW14 Tiburon Team. The budget is likely smaller because they lost their @ss on TW14 commercially.

    Moving to Frostbite 3 was a resource intensive and expensive move, but one that HAD to be made. The old TW engine was 10 years old and had 9 versions with features added, subtracted, etc. It was held together with baling wire and TW14 had glaring patch issues that EA finally gave up on and walked away from.

    What have they been doing for 2 years? You would have to ask HANDSWARD, but I doubt he would go into any sort of detail. Since I have had a relationship with EA for the past 15+ years and I have been on the inside of the Golf operation, I will tell you what I think happened.

    As I stated above, the Frostbite 3 transition did not come overnight. The staff had to be trained and brought up to speed on the new engine as it was unfamiliar to them. Then they began to learn how to build assets like what they had in TW that they wanted to bring over as well as new assets. All new Mo-cap sessions, etc. Rebuilding each course in FB3 and transitioning the laser scans and artwork from each course to the new engine. These guys work 12-14 hour days. They, like many teams at EA are being asked to do more with less. They set out on a plan to deliver a certain amount of content and they either reached that plan or didn't. NG games take up more resources both in time, people and money than ever before and Devs and Publishers are trying their best to do less with more. I believe this is why we are seeing the initial games coming out with less content than their predecessors. I did not in any way think RM would match or even come close to matching the features or courses that TW14 did. In all honesty, I did think they would have brought more content and polish than what we have. However, I am hopeful they will bring forth the kind of support that we are not accustomed to by supporting and updating this game with the content we have been accustomed to.

    IMO, this game has NONE of the problems from TW. They have similar design decisions, but bugs and issues from Tiger are not there. The lack of a playoff is a design decision that has legal implications as described above. Does TGC have a playoff? Are you chastising them for their Season mode that came out broken on the Xbox causing users not to be able to play it? I like TGC and have over 500 rounds of play invested in it. There are many who claim RM is not a NG title. Just as many say the same about TGC. They are different approaches to the game of Golf. Sorry to draw TGC in here for this discussion, I just had to draw one parallel to compare.

    At the end of the day, why can't people just accept the fact that opinions about ANYTHING, much less Golf games are SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL. You think EA dropped the ball on RM. That is your opinion and others agree. But I would say its 50/50 on those who like versus don't. I can somewhat understand the exasperation over RM's lack of content and I hope this helps explain what may be going on from someone who has been on the inside and has some perspective on the situation. Hang in there, I think the game has a good foundation and the great thing about FB3, is it is a VERY scalable engine that is light years better than the old TW engine and the best is yet to come IMO.
    Well put Tim! This needs to be a Wikipedia entry for Rory McIlroy PGA Tour!!
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    • kickingguru
      Rookie
      • Dec 2004
      • 422

      #362
      Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

      The game for veterans is really just an updated version of 2003. EA went back to the basics that made the game what is was before. It does lack any kind of innovation or creativity. All of the game modes and mechanics are what has been done before. This includes the Night Golf Club as it is just the game mode from an APP that you have been able to play on your phone for a year.

      All of this was likely to get back the casual player... They make up the majority of sales. Sim guys and old veterans make up a very small population and do not drive sales into success.

      If your a long time player of the series, nothing is new here. Do not expect it. You will even feel it as a regression. Honestly though, it had to be. It is a restart and they need a successful launch. Trying risky innovations could ruin the series.

      Anecdotally, a 24 year old coworker who is a heavy madden player picked it up with EA Access. The game to him is fresh, fun, and appealing. He is the definition of the casual gamer they are targeting and the game works for him. That translates to a successful title and sales.

      my 2 cents ....

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      • TheBleedingRed21
        Game Dev
        • Oct 2010
        • 5071

        #363
        Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

        Screw impressions, pre-ordered and ready for it on Tuesday, I like to be the judge myself, too many guys rely on others around here (or so it seems)


        Worst case, I buy the $50 version on amazon, dislike it, resell for $40 and come out just fine. Best case, I love it as I have every other EA golf game and play both RMPGA and TGC
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        • pietasterp
          All Star
          • Feb 2004
          • 6237

          #364
          Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

          Originally posted by kickingguru
          Anecdotally, a 24 year old coworker who is a heavy madden player picked it up with EA Access. The game to him is fresh, fun, and appealing. He is the definition of the casual gamer they are targeting and the game works for him. That translates to a successful title and sales.
          The question, then, is whether he actually buys the game or not....?

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          • Golfsprince
            Rookie
            • Dec 2010
            • 106

            #365
            Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

            Originally posted by TheBleedingRed21
            Screw impressions, pre-ordered and ready for it on Tuesday, I like to be the judge myself, too many guys rely on others around here (or so it seems)


            Worst case, I buy the $50 version on amazon, dislike it, resell for $40 and come out just fine. Best case, I love it as I have every other EA golf game and play both RMPGA and TGC
            EXACTLY how I feel man! Punched my ticket to Golfsville
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            • kickingguru
              Rookie
              • Dec 2004
              • 422

              #366
              Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

              Originally posted by pietasterp
              The question, then, is whether he actually buys the game or not....?
              All ready paid for the pre-order today...
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              • jbd345
                MVP
                • Apr 2011
                • 2435

                #367
                Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                Originally posted by DivotMaker
                Here's the deal. Not baffling at all if you understand NG game design and the decisions being made in this game market today. The RM Tiburon Golf Team is likely smaller than the TW14 Tiburon Team. The budget is likely smaller because they lost their @ss on TW14 commercially.

                Moving to Frostbite 3 was a resource intensive and expensive move, but one that HAD to be made. The old TW engine was 10 years old and had 9 versions with features added, subtracted, etc. It was held together with baling wire and TW14 had glaring patch issues that EA finally gave up on and walked away from.

                What have they been doing for 2 years? You would have to ask HANDSWARD, but I doubt he would go into any sort of detail. Since I have had a relationship with EA for the past 15+ years and I have been on the inside of the Golf operation, I will tell you what I think happened.

                As I stated above, the Frostbite 3 transition did not come overnight. The staff had to be trained and brought up to speed on the new engine as it was unfamiliar to them. Then they began to learn how to build assets like what they had in TW that they wanted to bring over as well as new assets. All new Mo-cap sessions, etc. Rebuilding each course in FB3 and transitioning the laser scans and artwork from each course to the new engine. These guys work 12-14 hour days. They, like many teams at EA are being asked to do more with less. They set out on a plan to deliver a certain amount of content and they either reached that plan or didn't. NG games take up more resources both in time, people and money than ever before and Devs and Publishers are trying their best to do less with more. I believe this is why we are seeing the initial games coming out with less content than their predecessors. I did not in any way think RM would match or even come close to matching the features or courses that TW14 did. In all honesty, I did think they would have brought more content and polish than what we have. However, I am hopeful they will bring forth the kind of support that we are not accustomed to by supporting and updating this game with the content we have been accustomed to.

                IMO, this game has NONE of the problems from TW. They have similar design decisions, but bugs and issues from Tiger are not there. The lack of a playoff is a design decision that has legal implications as described above. Does TGC have a playoff? Are you chastising them for their Season mode that came out broken on the Xbox causing users not to be able to play it? I like TGC and have over 500 rounds of play invested in it. There are many who claim RM is not a NG title. Just as many say the same about TGC. They are different approaches to the game of Golf. Sorry to draw TGC in here for this discussion, I just had to draw one parallel to compare.

                At the end of the day, why can't people just accept the fact that opinions about ANYTHING, much less Golf games are SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL. You think EA dropped the ball on RM. That is your opinion and others agree. But I would say its 50/50 on those who like versus don't. I can somewhat understand the exasperation over RM's lack of content and I hope this helps explain what may be going on from someone who has been on the inside and has some perspective on the situation. Hang in there, I think the game has a good foundation and the great thing about FB3, is it is a VERY scalable engine that is light years better than the old TW engine and the best is yet to come IMO.
                Post of the year. Well put sir.

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                • shogunofharlem3
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1799

                  #368
                  Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                  Anyone else have any issues on the Paracel Storm level where you had a lie in the sand or whatnot with a giant hill in front of you that was impossible to get up over?

                  I had it happen 3 times (Yes, I spent too much time in the sand) but no matter what angle, shot type, etc, I couldn't get myself out of the predicament.

                  Maybe that is why that level has a "you have reached the maximum shots allowed" message.

                  Otherwise, still having fun with it.
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                  • Zalf
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 552

                    #369
                    Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                    I get DivotMaker's post and agree with pretty much all of it. But we are now to the release point were whys aren't going to count for anything on the sales figures. I am worried that after the talk of how bad sales were last game, the drop in face of the game popularity(Prime Tiger to Pimp Tiger to Rory), dropping from a yearly to a ???, really low course count(as it possibles indicates extreme timid ness on laying out "investment" capitol on licensing), EA Access early preview exposing any flaws before the money is spent that it could lead to several outcomes that effect when and even if we will receive a leap forward that just gets the sim side back to where it was.

                    Hypotheticals:

                    The games sells great and EA says lower cost barebones arcade heavy Golf games sale better. Let's do more of that cutting costs/features even more. Also lets release some courses for a high starting point and see if we can create a high profit revenue stream there.

                    The game breaks even and EA says is it even worth taking a risk releasing anything at all.

                    The game tanks and the whole idea of this being the building block for the future goes out the window as the whole thing gets backburnered or shelved. Or the Development hot potato game starts and the next few releases are ALL "building block" games as each new dev tries to get their agenda out there.

                    Here's an idea(that is way too late for this year): Release the base game with all of the flashy "casual" and multiplayer bells and whistles with the barest of bones sim/tour career. Have a separate smaller focused team release an "expansion" that adds on GOOD sim/pro career type content at a fairly high price point. Yes it is a money grab that we shouldn't have to tolerate, but the other option is apparently a game that doesn't completely please anyone and could just disappear because "golf fans don't buy video games," ignoring the truth that golf fans don't want to buy unpolished games that with THIN/shallow polish and depth. Yes it would suck to make two purchase to have what we should get in one. However, when the option is what we are seeing this year or ............?

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                    • Zalf
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 552

                      #370
                      Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                      Originally posted by shogunofharlem3
                      Anyone else have any issues on the Paracel Storm level where you had a lie in the sand or whatnot with a giant hill in front of you that was impossible to get up over?

                      I had it happen 3 times (Yes, I spent too much time in the sand) but no matter what angle, shot type, etc, I couldn't get myself out of the predicament.

                      Maybe that is why that level has a "you have reached the maximum shots allowed" message.

                      Otherwise, still having fun with it.
                      Yes. If you are in a situation where you feel invested enough that every stroke counts, you take you lumps and pitch out side ways or even backwards. With the double par pickup BS in place, it is hard for this game to create a situation where that seems like a smarter option.

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                      • Zalf
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 552

                        #371
                        Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                        Originally posted by bbury10
                        Trying to like this game and something that would go very far in helping that is if someone could answer a mechanics question....

                        I get the idea of the tempo and like it in theory, but every shot i take it comes up 6-15% slow on the forward swing (on tour mode). It seems the more smooth (tempo) i make the swing the slower it goes. I get perfect backswing every time - so am i supposed to take it back nice then jam it forward which hasnt been working. Any feedback would go a long way in to saving me $50 for a new controller...
                        Backswing is zero tempo and all how far into the backswing you get. The "tempo" ends up being the forward swing which awards slam flicks forward(if they are straight) so true golf tempo really doesn't come into play except in the short came where you can actually overcook a forward move pretty easy. From what I have seen on some EA related comments in twitch and such, if you are trying to bomb a drive with a +3 overswing then you need to have a +3ish tempo to get a real boost. So they play off of each other. I have a feeling; but no proof besides how previous games worked; that tempos will become easier to reach after some skilling up and equipment improvements.

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                        • Pompeo89
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 78

                          #372
                          Watching a twitch stream and frank nobilo makes a comment about the possibility of a playoff at the end of a tournament...why would they have him say that? Lol

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                          • BrownsFan72
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 200

                            #373
                            Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

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                            • Klocker
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3239

                              #374
                              Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                              Originally posted by Zalf
                              Backswing is zero tempo and all how far into the backswing you get. The "tempo" ends up being the forward swing which awards slam flicks forward(if they are straight) so true golf tempo really doesn't come into play except in the short came where you can actually overcook a forward move pretty easy. From what I have seen on some EA related comments in twitch and such, if you are trying to bomb a drive with a +3 overswing then you need to have a +3ish tempo to get a real boost. So they play off of each other. I have a feeling; but no proof besides how previous games worked; that tempos will become easier to reach after some skilling up and equipment improvements.


                              I doubt it would happen but I'm holding out hope for a patch to stop penalizing you for any little pause in the top of the swing. It defeats the purpose of tempo. Fine keep the bonus for a flush, fast downswing but at least don't give me "slow" because I made a transition at the top .

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                              • cyclonez7
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 19

                                #375
                                Re: Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

                                Royal Troon looks awful. Pot bunkers aren't even a remotely realistic.
                                Last edited by cyclonez7; 07-11-2015, 01:47 AM.

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