Tour Gameplay Style Fan Feedback

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For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit.

Could I ask a clarifying question here? What if you are trying to play a 90% shot by shortening your backswing by 10%, yet still hitting what the current swing meter would classify as "Perfect" speed, would this new swing mechanic classify that as a "miss-hit"? If it does, I'm thinking that would still require gamers to set a target, set up a "dial-a-distance" swing, and still strive to hit a 100% swing on every shot. I hope I'm missing something here...

[RIFRIG]

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Could I ask a clarifying question here? What if you are trying to play a 90% shot by shortening your backswing by 10%, yet still hitting what the current swing meter would classify as "Perfect" speed, would this new swing mechanic classify that as a "miss-hit"? If it does, I'm thinking that would still require gamers to set a target, set up a "dial-a-distance" swing, and still strive to hit a 100% swing on every shot. I hope I'm missing something here...

No your right...........An example would be:

You have 120 yards to the hole & your 58 degree wedge has a 135 yard maximum.(Full)
You pull the aiming marker back to 120 yards now your selection changes from 'Full' to 'Custom' a 100% swing is now tied to your custom yardage.

[sroz39]

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No your right...........An example would be:

You have 120 yards to the hole & your 58 degree wedge has a 135 yard maximum.(Full)
You pull the aiming marker back to 120 yards now your selection changes from 'Full' to 'Custom' a 100% swing is now tied to your custom yardage.

Never thought of this but this seems like the only solution to this mechanic. Not ideal but the good outweighs the bad.

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[RIFRIG]

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Never thought of this but this seems like the only solution to this mechanic. Not ideal but the good outweighs the bad.

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I would much prefer to be in control of the swing length rather than this new system that's going to be implemented.
The game mechanics are solid enough to pick off any length of backswing without using custom or default shot set ups.

[Zalf]

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First thought is that it takes a lot of the feel out of it because the goal is always the same exact swing. Since I am so much on the side of random landing areas, it is hard to be against something that adds more randomness. I just hope the really low scorers don't have the perfect swing artificially 100% dialed in. If so, this just increases the scoring gap between the familiar group of names at the top of the tournament leader boards and the "average sim" golfer.

[sroz39]

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I would much prefer to be in control of the swing length rather than this new system that's going to be implemented.
The game mechanics are solid enough to pick off any length of backswing without using custom or default shot set ups.

I respect your opinion but I'd have to disagree that the game mechanics are strong enough to pick off any length of backswing. It is on 3 click but not with the analog swing the way it's currently built. It's way too twitchy in it's current state.


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With all this talk about leaving things on by default, almost makes me wish for a 4th gameplay style lobby called "Simulation" that would turn everything off but green grid maybe, with the Expert swing difficulty as it's default level.

Don't know how widely played this would be, but I'd love to see scores on it in Daily and Weekly tournaments.

Having some time to let a lot of this sink in, I really applaud the move to make the backswing and tempo the deciding factor of left and right misses. Makes all those cheaters with the rigged controllers play on a level playing field.

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That's basically is what custom game play mode is for. Set all your settings to off or hardest.


(unless you're talking online tourneys which I don't bother with)

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I'm no master joystick jockey but I'm tearing this game apart on the hardest settings. In the OS Country clubs most tournaments I finished middle to upper part of the pack.

Please consider a separate simulation mode with sliders (see my suggestion a few posts back).

The game is really easy, I'm just playing it to chill out right now, I play super fast and put up ridiculous numbers. I'm sure there are thousands of guys who play better than me too.

I don't understand the too hard argument if it's adjustable. I dont buy the argument that 14 didn't sell well because of simulation mode. That was NOT the default mode out of the box and it's not like gamers were stuck or forced playing the hardest mode.

I understand wanting to appeal to "everybody" but doesn't everybody also include the hard part of the spectrum too? The casual has PLENTY of ways to play this game right now and I'm stuck with barely ever making a bogey.

EDIT: Shot 57 at Royal Troon in Career Mode, hardest settings...

You are obviously in the top 15% maybe even top 1%



I'm guessing it's a pretty small group that go that low

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Wow... I'm very impressed with the insightful follow-up to my question guys... thanks! What you are all saying makes sense and confirms my suspicions about the need to still execute a 100% swing for every shot. I'm still hoping to hear something official though. I still think this sounds better than what we’ve got right now, with very little variance in the shot accuracy.

In my estimation, the more flexible solution would be to have the backswing/downswing speed ratio be second only to swingpath, in determining whether the shot is pulled, pushed, drawn,or faded. With this approach, you could shorten your swing and vary your swing speed, yet still have the shot’s accuracy affected by how well the player governed the ratio between the backswing and downswing speed.

[Jet Sufferer]

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You are obviously in the top 15% maybe even top 1%



I'm guessing it's a pretty small group that go that low

I really don't think so. We had weekly tourneys in the OS Country Club and there were guys consistently better than me, and that's just one small country club.

The game is just too easy right now, the learning curve is quick. Chip in eagles and tap in birdies are pretty common. I'm not grinding either I line up the shots and putts really quick and go. Once you figure out the game in its current state it's pretty simple.

Since its not a yearly release I really, really hope they take the time and care to make a nice simulation mode. This was not what I was expecting after enjoying 13 and 14 so much.

[sroz39]

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That's basically is what custom game play mode is for. Set all your settings to off or hardest.


(unless you're talking online tourneys which I don't bother with)

Yeah, I play online a few times a week. Offline, I set the game up how I want and it's great and challenging. But I'd love to see a 4th difficulty set up online like I mentioned before.

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I really don't think so. We had weekly tourneys in the OS Country Club and there were guys consistently better than me, and that's just one small country club.

The game is just too easy right now, the learning curve is quick. Chip in eagles and tap in birdies are pretty common. I'm not grinding either I line up the shots and putts really quick and go. Once you figure out the game in its current state it's pretty simple.

Since its not a yearly release I really, really hope they take the time and care to make a nice simulation mode. This was not what I was expecting after enjoying 13 and 14 so much.

I switch all my shots to full and set my own distance by ball trajectory and back swing length... adds a lot to the challenge just not using the auto set up swing.



So while a small group of people are obviously much better at the game than most (and Handward's data seems to bear that out) the fame can be harder (within reason - as some people are just Pro) if you don't use any of the preset swings. Also sounds like they are making even better soon too.

[RIFRIG]

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I switch all my shots to full and set my own distance by ball trajectory and back swing length... adds a lot to the challenge just not using the auto set up swing.



So while a small group of people are obviously much better at the game than most (and Handward's data seems to bear that out) the fame can be harder (within reason - as some people are just Pro) if you don't use any of the preset swings. Also sounds like they are making even better soon too.

Your suggestion about going 'Full' shot to make the game more of a challenge is the most simple & effective way to enjoy the game.
If you use 'custom' or 'default' the game just gets to easy,almost impossible to fly the target or leave it short.
I've become well tuned to different swing percentages & IMO it's a solid swing mechanic.
I've tried the same for putting but it's a little twitchy.

Thanks to your original post I read when the game released I'm still playing & enjoying the game.

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No your right...........An example would be:

You have 120 yards to the hole & your 58 degree wedge has a 135 yard maximum.(Full)
You pull the aiming marker back to 120 yards now your selection changes from 'Full' to 'Custom' a 100% swing is now tied to your custom yardage.

So if I'm wanting to play with added difficulty by leaving the target at the 135 yard maximum distance and shortening my backswing to achieve a 120 yard shot, I would realize a "miss-hit" penalty because my backswing wasn't 100%, right?

[RIFRIG]

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So if I'm wanting to play with added difficulty by leaving the target at the 135 yard maximum distance and shortening my backswing to achieve a 120 yard shot, I would realize a "miss-hit" penalty because my backswing wasn't 100%, right?

Yes I'm pretty sure that's what will happen........takes it back to dial a distance.

The other thing is if you make a 'Custom' shot your swing length gets capped.
If you select a custom of half the clubs max distance your golfer can only make a half swing with a potential of a +10% over swing.