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  • scagwi
    MVP
    • Aug 2015
    • 2718

    #106
    Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

    Originally posted by kehlis
    Since the game moved from the Golf Club to 2K its drastically turned me off.
    Me too

    Originally posted by kehlis
    I know I said this before but for anyone who read Tiger's book they know he hasn't historically put his name on a product without being involved. And he has always had his hand in every aspect of the game.

    Don't be surprised if he is able to influence as many changes as he can. The book talks about how he had a hand in every part of EA's game and was pissed at some of the aspects they put in (spinning the ball in mid air anyone???).
    This will be interesting.

    My only counter here is just that it was a decade ago. We all change as we age. Who knows if this is really a passion for him anymore, or it's just easy money and ego boosting to be desired and get paid to have your name out there again.

    Celebrities and vanity makes things hard to predict..

    (for example .. the celebs who used their reputations to back awful crypto-cons when they clearly don't need even more money or clout)

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    • scagwi
      MVP
      • Aug 2015
      • 2718

      #107
      Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

      Originally posted by bigkev
      Exactly, the 2K/HB game will smoke the EA game out of the water in this case, no matter Augusta, better graphic and all.
      We'll see

      What I would say is.... 2K better get it out ASAP and get as many sales as they can before they are fighting anything newer looking and with major licensing locked in.

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      • scagwi
        MVP
        • Aug 2015
        • 2718

        #108
        Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

        The reality of this discussion is that we have no clue how this is going to go - lol

        Until we get some sense of how ambitious 2k is and what the Tiger involvement really results in...and how EA executes or not -- we are all just doing a lot projecting and some of it with subjective preferences, hopes and wishes

        Myself very much included

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        • kehlis
          Moderator
          • Jul 2008
          • 27738

          #109
          Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

          Originally posted by scagwi
          My only counter here is just that it was a decade ago. We all change as we age. Who knows if this is really a passion for him anymore, or it's just easy money and ego boosting to be desired and get paid to have your name out there again.

          Celebrities and vanity makes things hard to predict..

          (for example .. the celebs who used their reputations to back awful crypto-cons when they clearly don't need even more money or clout)
          Nah, I've said the same exact thing before the first time I brought it up. At this point he may be just looking for another product to get his name on and may not care at all. I the very least I would expect his apparel brand to have a presence in the game so he get's another kickback that way too.

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          • bigkev
            Pro
            • Apr 2019
            • 912

            #110
            Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

            I'm in the same boat as kehlis, not in a hurry to buy a new gen console just for one game, specially as they're probably still going to be hard to get. Somebody like lowpaiddonkey and a lot more gamer like him, just won't buy a new gen console, if it's not on sale for a golf game with few courses. Not when 2K/HB has a golf game with almost unlimited content.

            I wouldn't even be surprise EA delay the game one more year if they feel they can't get a good return to investment, around 1M sale.

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            • scagwi
              MVP
              • Aug 2015
              • 2718

              #111
              Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

              Originally posted by bigkev
              I'm in the same boat as kehlis, not in a hurry to buy a new gen console just for one game, specially as they're probably still going to be hard to get. Somebody like lowpaiddonkey and a lot more gamer like him, just won't buy a new gen console, if it's not on sale for a golf game with few courses. Not when 2K/HB has a golf game with almost unlimited content.

              I wouldn't even be surprise EA delay the game one more year if they feel they can't get a good return to investment, around 1M sale.
              To this end, I will say, I really wish EA would bring this title to PC

              (Same for NHL)

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              • MrArlingtonBeach
                MVP
                • Feb 2009
                • 4530

                #112
                Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                Originally posted by scagwi
                That's always true, for quite a while, when console generations turn over.

                Your point is right about EA. They are building new and going current gen only makes sense.

                2k, conversely, to your point as well, may as well maintain last gen compatibility..

                The only caveat there is ... for how long?
                At some point it does hold back technical and graphical aspirations.

                It might be seen as early to cut the cord now...but I could also make the argument that the basic game/look is getting a little bit ho-hum and a whole new direction with Tiger might be the right time to cut bait and go all current gen and with an eye toward the future.

                You have to look at these things as platform building also. You definitely want to be competitive at a base level over the long term.

                If 2k release something that's just "ok" in a few areas visually...and then just mere months later they possibly get totally out-classed - it would be a disaster for them business wise.

                I think they'll do one more version mostly as is, but polished some more (the upcoming release) and then make the jump... I fully agree with you about 2k/EA and the different spots they are in.
                Until the next-gen systems build any kind of similar base, it's going to be an uphill struggle. I think them getting a foothold in the next-gen market is a good idea. But doing so following a massive chip shortage that has made the consoles so scarce means they literally can't build a base. When it's almost 200 million last-gen users vs. 30 million next-gen users...sheesh.

                So let's say 50 million people have next-gen consoles in March 2023. How many will buy the EA PGA Tour game? Let's say 1 million. That would be mind-blowing to me, especially when a last-gen golf game shocked the world with 2.5 million - and that series has, in all likelihood, released a golf game within several months of the EA one...and they released on PC, PS4, XB1, AND next-gen systems (oh, BTW...2K21 was also released on Switch and Stadia, which is kinda crazy). I would personally say that doing the 800K Rory did would be a HUGE success for them.

                And again, I WANT EA's game to succeed. But I also don't have a whole lot of confidence in the folks there to deliver on those expectations. I really, really hope they prove me wrong.
                Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-17-2022, 10:03 PM.
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                • VoltSwoosh
                  Banned
                  • Jun 2021
                  • 1090

                  #113
                  Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                  Originally posted by scagwi
                  You're talking about a game not coming out for 9-10 more months still.

                  At some point, the "requires next gen console" isn't a negative, and in fact starts to become a big positive (not being held back by really old last gen hardware in 2023 and beyond)

                  btw: I'm just one person, but "Augusta, great graphics and gameplay"...umm.. sounds pretty awesome to me! lol

                  In all seriousness, to each our own.
                  I'm very happy the 2k game will be a going concern so that folks can slot into whichever digital vision for this sport one prefers.


                  They sound awesome to me also, I think people go a little too hard on Rory 15 sometimes. It had a terrible launch which some never got over. I got it after the course updates and while it’s still bare, it’s got a good set of bones that just need some more meat in them. A better swing mechanic, more courses(AUGUSTA) and more overall depth it what it sorely lacks. I think PGA 23 aims to fix those issues. And on ps5…. Someone pinch me.


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                  • MrArlingtonBeach
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 4530

                    #114
                    Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                    Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
                    They sound awesome to me also, I think people go a little too hard on Rory 15 sometimes. It had a terrible launch which some never got over. I got it after the course updates and while it’s still bare, it’s got a good set of bones that just need some more meat in them. A better swing mechanic, more courses(AUGUSTA) and more overall depth it what it sorely lacks. I think PGA 23 aims to fix those issues. And on ps5…. Someone pinch me.


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                    I actually am OK with the Rory game, but it got appropriately roasted. It launched with EIGHT courses. That's embarrassing. I bought it within several months of launch for less than $15. That's just an indication of a poor product with poor marketing.

                    That said, that game plays OK. It looks pretty good, aside from the terrible trees-blowing-in-the-wind animations. It was a steal for the $12 I paid, since other courses had come out for it later. But I could not imagine paying $60 for it! That's basically EA stealing from the poor folks starved for licensed video game golf.

                    There were so many lessons to learn from Rory. I should hope that EA learned a ton from that game's launch and very short life cycle. I really hope they don't say, "We got Augusta, the rest doesn't matter."
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                    • lowpaiddonkey10
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 2163

                      #115
                      Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                      I would hope that Tiger will work with the team to work on the swing mechanic.

                      Opening and closing the clubface the effect of the swing path on shot results stuff like that. Until the current generation PS5 is readily available for MSRP the sales of a new EA golf game will suffer. Rory looked good but the swing mechanic was not great.

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                      • ComfortablyLomb
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 3548

                        #116
                        Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                        Originally posted by bigkev
                        It will take a lot more than Augusta, great graphics and gameplay to sell this new EA game well. And it will take the most hardcore golf gamers to buy a new generation console just to play golf games. Many were burnt and very angry after buying the last gen consoles and ending up with Rory. Lots of expected contents to be added for anything close of even TW12. Contents on 2k/HB is everything, they even have Societies to compare with the old Country Clubs on TW13/14.

                        And that's without those who refused to buy anything EA, and those snubbing the game because it has an arcade mode, mid-air spin so gamers can shoot rounds of -28 and better compare with the supposedly 'real deal' at HB.
                        I'm not so sure gamers are going to hold a grudge against EA. People, at least here, complain about EA all the time and EA just keeps on selling their games. I tend to think the anger is wildly overstated and really just a vocal minority (and heck, that goes for all of the complaints about the big devs). Which isn't to say EA doesn't screw up, put out products that are flawed or mailed in, or whatever. I just don't think it's a big deal for them business-wise, despite what would be comforting to believe.

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                        • MrArlingtonBeach
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4530

                          #117
                          Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                          Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
                          I'm not so sure gamers are going to hold a grudge against EA. People, at least here, complain about EA all the time and EA just keeps on selling their games. I tend to think the anger is wildly overstated and really just a vocal minority (and heck, that goes for all of the complaints about the big devs). Which isn't to say EA doesn't screw up, put out products that are flawed or mailed in, or whatever. I just don't think it's a big deal for them business-wise, despite what would be comforting to believe.
                          Yeah, good point...I think Madden's continued success year after year goes to show that people will complain about a game, yet shell out the money when the next iteration comes around, no matter what. And even with Rory's failure, the Tiger Woods series before that was probably the best - or at least, most consistent - of the EA Sports franchises. If it taps into more of that, then people will be even more likely to move on past Rory and hope to relive the TW glory days.

                          I think that's what 2K needs to do with the Tiger side of things...find ways to connect with those gamers who fondly recall the TW games. Aside from using his knowledge to flesh out the swing, animations, etc., 2K/HB need to connect to something from that series that made it quite popular each year up until the end of it in 2013. Since Tiger is still a big draw, his presence will make an impact, and they need to figure out exactly what that means in order to capitalize on it.
                          Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-18-2022, 08:31 AM.
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                          • VoltSwoosh
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2021
                            • 1090

                            #118
                            Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                            Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                            Yeah, good point...I think Madden's continued success year after year goes to show that people will complain about a game, yet shell out the money when the next iteration comes around, no matter what. And even with Rory's failure, the Tiger Woods series before that was probably the best - or at least, most consistent - of the EA Sports franchises. If it taps into more of that, then people will be even more likely to move on past Rory and hope to relive the TW glory days.

                            I think that's what 2K needs to do with the Tiger side of things...find ways to connect with those gamers who fondly recall the TW games. Aside from using his knowledge to flesh out the swing, animations, etc., 2K/HB need to connect to something from that series that made it quite popular each year up until the end of it in 2013. Since Tiger is still a big draw, his presence will make an impact, and they need to figure out exactly what that means in order to capitalize on it.


                            Also keep in mind Rory 15 launched in July 2015.

                            I don’t think people will hold back on buying pga 23 because of a game from 2015.

                            Also, people knew Rory only had 8 courses at launch, I remember reading it on OS. It’s on them if they still spent 60 bucks on it soon after that.


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                            • MrArlingtonBeach
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 4530

                              #119
                              Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                              Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
                              Also keep in mind Rory 15 launched in July 2015.

                              I don’t think people will hold back on buying pga 23 because of a game from 2015.

                              Also, people knew Rory only had 8 courses at launch, I remember reading it on OS. It’s on them if they still spent 60 bucks on it soon after that.


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                              The problem EA has is that every single preview or discussion of their new game is going to bring up Rory, since it's their last effort. Just due to the nature of things, people will be reminded of Rory at every turn when it comes to coverage of their new game. I'm sure the question, "How will you learn from Rory's mistakes?" or something similar will be asked dozens of times.

                              And when Rory was released, there was promise of "more to come" in terms of content. They actually never closed the door on even Augusta coming back...https://www.eurogamer.net/ea-rory-mc...ts-the-masters

                              And while they did provide a few more courses and things, they pulled the plug and left the game with just 13 total real-life courses in it at the end of things, and it took almost a year to get it to that count; Banff Springs was the final one, and that was made available in May of 2016.

                              Again, Rory wasn't "bad" when all things were said and done, but I am also looking at it through the lens of playing just $12 for it.
                              Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-18-2022, 11:23 AM.
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                              • bigkev
                                Pro
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 912

                                #120
                                Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                                Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                                Yeah, good point...I think Madden's continued success year after year goes to show that people will complain about a game, yet shell out the money when the next iteration comes around, no matter what. .

                                Any other company doing an NFL or football game? Or NHL game?

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