How should 2K & EA handle the PGA vs LIV issues?

[VoltSwoosh]

Re: How should 2K & EA handle the PGA vs LIV issues?

I think 2K is in a much better position, no doubt. Tiger, a PGA license and more importantly... they will release for PS4/XBox One. They will get all the consumers who don't want to spend the $$$ for a new gen console, specially going on a recession. 2K is going to smoke EA in the next game.

2k could do even better if they knock the graphics down a bit more and release on ps3, for those who never upgraded. That would be the knockout punch. 🤣[emoji23]


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[scagwi]

Re: How should 2K & EA handle the PGA vs LIV issues?

^^ lol - that made me laugh Volt..
I'd be ready -- I have my PS3 still in the other room!

(2k) will release for PS4/XBox One.

Is that confirmed?

Just curious

Would seem to shoot down our talk about a new upgraded engine and bringing forward the course creator if so

[VoltSwoosh]

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2k could do even better if they knock the graphics down a bit more and release on ps3, for those who never upgraded. That would be the knockout punch. 🤣[emoji23]


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Seriously though, by next year a ton more people will have a ps5 or an option to buy one. EA will be fine in that regard. Nobody is excited for the golf club 2019 version 3.

2k has to step up.


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[MrArlingtonBeach]

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Another thing to note, You talk of how 2k has thousands of free courses, which is true. Nice feature no doubt. But until they get a new engine, they will always look early ps3 graphics wise. Most feel the same with the exception of a few gems people have made.


One more thing, in terms of courses. The top played courses in 2K? Always HB official and PGA Tour courses. That’s an interesting statistic. I think EA will be fine without as many courses because there’s will be “living” and up to date graphics wise. Also tons of varieties in the courses list to this point for EA.

We shall see come spring. [emoji106]


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I do know that the most-played courses are the official ones. Makes sense, as those are the ones in career mode, matchmaking, etc. It's horrible how lousy 2K21's career mode is, but people do want to play it. EA has a big opportunity there to outshine what 2K21 has.

And I do get where you're coming from with the "feel the same" comment - the designer needs a lot more assets and objects added, and some new themes, too, to freshen things up. But many good courses come out frequently, even now almost 2 years after release. There are more than just a "few" gems out there for 2K21. There are places to find the better courses to sift thru the ones that are bland or just plain bad - which there are many of these, I definitely admit that.

Now, EA has top-notch courses in their library, and will likely offer amazing next-gen (or is it now current gen?) graphics. 2K21 is lacking there, obviously. But EA will have a limit - I do not think their game will have a course creator.

A huge library of courses, and many folks who create new content for 2K21/23 consistently mean that content and courses won't stop, ever, for the 2K game.

Again, this is why both games are appealing. I want to play a fully next-gen Augusta and Kiawah and St Andrews, etc. But I also want to design courses and play new ones essentially each and every day/week as part of various societies, like TGCTours. Having both games will be an absolute dream scenario for me, someone who likes or has liked golf games from both companies at one point or another.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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^^ lol - that made me laugh Volt..
I'd be ready -- I have my PS3 still in the other room!



Is that confirmed?

Just curious

Would seem to shoot down our talk about a new upgraded engine and bringing forward the course creator if so

There's no confirmation one way or the other, related to the systems 2K23 is releasing on yet. But it would be shocking to see them go full next-gen if they plan on releasing yet this calendar year...which no one knows for sure is the case...

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: How should 2K & EA handle the PGA vs LIV issues?

I agree with most of your theory on this Scagwi. I don't see 2K ever picking up the LIV Tour though... even as a DLC, where I can see EA going that route. I just don't think 2K's career mode is going to be as fleshed out as EA's, and I don't think there would be enough demand for an LIV player DLC for 2K23 because of it. I still have serious doubts that we'll be able to play career rounds with licensed PGA TOUR AI player models in PGA TOUR 2K23.

I do have a gut hunch that we will see them in EA's game, however. That would certainly put them into better position to add DLC LIV players later, but that will also cost EA beyond just the players, as they'll likely have to pay the LIV for rights to use their players and brands beyond any individual player agreements they'll have to strike.

[golfnut67]

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I agree with most of your theory on this Scagwi. I don't see 2K ever picking up the LIV Tour though... even as a DLC, where I can see EA going that route. I just don't think 2K's career mode is going to be as fleshed out as EA's, and I don't think there would be enough demand for an LIV player DLC for 2K23 because of it. I still have serious doubts that we'll be able to play career rounds with licensed PGA TOUR AI player models in PGA TOUR 2K23.

I do have a gut hunch that we will see them in EA's game, however. That would certainly put them into better position to add DLC LIV players later, but that will also cost EA beyond just the players, as they'll likely have to pay the LIV for rights to use their players and brands beyond any individual player agreements they'll have to strike.

This 2nd paragraph is something I've been wondering about. Does anyone know if players that have signed with LIV are under exclusive contracts that affect what we are talking about? Would either game (or other entity) be required to pay and be granted permission to use the likeness of any of the players that are now LIV players? If so, doesn't that kind of fly in the face of the whole argument those players have been making about being independent contractors, and should be allowed to play anywhere, for any tournament they want? I would really like to know if any of you know if LIV has to be paid and grant licenses at this point, or if the LIV players are truly independent, including licensing their names and likeness. The only thing I've heard about it that makes me think they are free to do what they want to do, is the Bryson thing about having a film crew follow him around, creating content for him to publish.

The other thing that really hit me, after my favorite active golfer in the world won the most historically significant tournament of my lifetime on Sunday.

I can't tell you how happy I was that Cam won the Open. And then they asked him that question about if he was considering going to LIV. And then today I'm searching for anything I can find on whether it's possible and if the rumors might be true, and it's looking like he IS going to LIV.

I don't think the impact and significance of a guy who just won the 150th Open going to LIV can be overstated. I think it signals that there is going to be a hell of a lot more top players going to LIV very soon, especially after the FedEx Cup season is over. You've all seen the other ones that are going to announce this week...Fleetwood, etc. But for Cameron Smith to do it, especially after winning his first major, at this most historic Open, and go to LIV while sitting at #2 in the world rankings, I think signals that there are some massive changes coming for the PGA to deal with. I can now actually envision LIV having more of the top 50 players in the world than PGA does by early '23. It's really stunning to think about.

I can't imagine how EA and 2K are going to be able to navigate all of this, legally and contractually with the players they have signed on or were planning to. It's all totally in flux and will be for the foreseeable future.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Seriously though, by next year a ton more people will have a ps5 or an option to buy one. EA will be fine in that regard. Nobody is excited for the golf club 2019 version 3.

2k has to step up.


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I kind of agree with this I really don't know what 2k can possibly come up with that will be so different if they stick with Unity.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Looking real bleak for the PGA even announcers are out the door. The money is impossible to resist along with the other perks. 72 holes no shotgun and its game over.

[bigkev]

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I think it's looking bleak for the future of golf. It really picked up with young Tiger and all the Nike commercials 'Just do it'. Youngsters could associate with that, following and starting to play golf. Now it's becoming a sport for Princes, the rich. Those guys are all being treated like royalties with all expenses paid, guaranteed 50M to 200M money. Golf is not like soccer or basketball where you only need a ball to play. Soon, the PGA and DP Tours will be for nobodies, the minor leagues. DP Tour is already there.

And now the captain of the European Ryder Cup just joined LIV too, Ryder Cup is really not big a deal. Probably the beginning of the end for both Ryder and President Cup.

[bigkev]

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Looking real bleak for the PGA even announcers are out the door. The money is impossible to resist along with the other perks. 72 holes no shotgun and its game over.

Make that 54 holes, even less work. And free dinners, a big party in the evening after every rounds. Lifestyle of the rich and famous.

[scagwi]

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I don't know about all the future predictions...

I just want a whole bunch of major courses in Frostbite to play ... preferably before my old playing partner relative is no longer around!

[bigkev]

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"All of those golfers that remain 'loyal' to the very disloyal PGA, in all of its different forms, will pay a big price when the inevitable MERGER with LIV comes, and you get nothing but a big 'thank you' from PGA officials who are making Millions of Dollars a year,"

"If you don't take the money now, you will get nothing after the merger takes place, and only say how smart the original signees were." -Donald Trump

I guess EA and 2K could listen to this guy, just wait until the inevitable merger, it would take care of all issues with licenses and all.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Make that 54 holes, even less work. And free dinners, a big party in the evening after every rounds. Lifestyle of the rich and famous.

I know the money is big but 54 holes is like a girl's tennis match. Why not get legit and play all 4?

[golfnut67]

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Here's a story from today with Ernie Els, his thoughts on how the PGA and LIV should work things out, and especially what he says about Cameron Smith and younger guys in his position, is the best thing I've seen on all of this. I agree with every word of this and I hope the PGA does too eventually:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/wor...-cup-cam-smith