Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

[jbd345]

We know both are coming at some point. Curious about what are the odds anything gets added in the day 1 patch.

[dubcity]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

I'd say 0%

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

I'm going with .034%. I'm not sure how much that would help what I'm struggling to come to terms with concerning the swing. I get the impression that the golfer's swing animation is still going to lag behind the stick movement at 60 fps, it's just going to look and perhaps feel more responsive once it starts moving.

I think 60 FPS will definitely improve the game, but there's something peculiar about this interface that's down to something more than a limited frame rate, IMO.

[scagwi]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

So I guess no "day one patch"?

(other than the one for PC that is apparently causing more crashing)

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsPGA...day_one_patch/

[jbd345]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

So I guess no "day one patch"?

(other than the one for PC that is apparently causing more crashing)

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsPGA...day_one_patch/

When most triple a game do day 1 patches…this is …well…concerning.

[Oblong]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Question for those on PC...switching gameplay between 30fps and 60fps, are you seeing/feeling that much difference in your experience?

I realize for many games, including some other golf titles, that there can be a jarring difference between the two. I also believe there are games out there where you may find the difference to be more negligible.

Development resources are finite and there is a long line of wishlist items. Would 60fps on consoles make a Top 3 want without hesitation or is it more of a "nice to have for sure, but I can think of 10 other things that would have more of an impact"?

I ask because I fall into the camp of those who don't really see the hubbub about it all. You could give me 10 games I have played extensively and I wouldn't know the framerate of any of them. Ignorance is bliss?

[jbd345]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Question for those on PC...switching gameplay between 30fps and 60fps, are you seeing/feeling that much difference in your experience?

I realize for many games, including some other golf titles, that there can be a jarring difference between the two. I also believe there are games out there where you may find the difference to be more negligible.

Development resources are finite and there is a long line of wishlist items. Would 60fps on consoles make a Top 3 want without hesitation or is it more of a "nice to have for sure, but I can think of 10 other things that would have more of an impact"?

I ask because I fall I to the camp of those who don't really see the hubbub about it all. You could give me 10 games I have played extensively and I wouldn't know the framerate of any of them. Ignorance is bliss?

For me personally, they can take there time. I understand they have other pressing issues. The current state With 30 though the lag and responsive of the controls compared to other games is noticeable. Going from this to say The Show is jarring.

For me it’s more of aesthetic preference which will have almost zero impact on gameplay in the long run. For something that should be a standard with these consoles and the fact that this was omitted without even to have as an option was more of the issue. I’m enjoying the game right now as it is and having a blast with it.

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Question for those on PC...switching gameplay between 30fps and 60fps, are you seeing/feeling that much difference in your experience?

If I cut the graphics details back to minimum and reduce the res to 720p, I can play the game at 60 FPS. Yeah, it's but a shadow of its full 4K/ultra detail glory under these conditions, but there's enough there to gauge the swing responsiveness. There's just enough difference to be noticeable, but certainly not worth the graphical sacrifice required to achieve it... at least on my modest gaming PC:

Intel Core i7-4770 3.4 GHz
Geforce GTX 1070 8 GB
16 GB PC-1600 DDR3 RAM
Windows 10 64 bit

I think EA Sports PGA Tour's swing is governed by a swing mechanic limiter that's only going to allow you to swing at a certain maximum speed. That's why it's harder to perceive the difference 60 FPS is making in the swing. On PGA TOUR 2K23, the difference in the feel of the swing between 30 and 60 FPS takes it from being unplayable to engaging. I'd be curious to see how it would feel on a PC that could run it at 120 FPS, but I'd imagine that would have to be at 1080p.

I'd be curious to see what EA would have to do with the graphics settings and res on the PS5 and Series X to achieve a steady 60 FPS. Again though, I'm not sure it would be worth it they way the swing animation speed is throttled by the game engine.

[hunterdawgs10]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Question for those on PC...switching gameplay between 30fps and 60fps, are you seeing/feeling that much difference in your experience?

I realize for many games, including some other golf titles, that there can be a jarring difference between the two. I also believe there are games out there where you may find the difference to be more negligible.

Development resources are finite and there is a long line of wishlist items. Would 60fps on consoles make a Top 3 want without hesitation or is it more of a "nice to have for sure, but I can think of 10 other things that would have more of an impact"?

I ask because I fall into the camp of those who don't really see the hubbub about it all. You could give me 10 games I have played extensively and I wouldn't know the framerate of any of them. Ignorance is bliss?

Ignorance is bliss. Keep it that way though lol.

I can see the difference between 60 and 85+ fps at this point. Not trying to sound snobby but once you see it you can’t un-see it.

I tweaked settings to get about 80 fps at 1440p and man the swing smooths up a ton. There is still the feeling of initial lag though. I hope that gets fixed.


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[scagwi]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

EA needs to do whatever it takes to get a performance mode option for consoles.

In just my limited demo time, the "feel" was so much better on the PC with 60+ fps

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Ignorance is bliss. Keep it that way though lol.

I can see the difference between 60 and 85+ fps at this point. Not trying to sound snobby but once you see it you can’t un-see it.

I tweaked settings to get about 80 fps at 1440p and man the swing smooths up a ton. There is still the feeling of initial lag though. I hope that gets fixed.

Now that I've read this, I can't "un-read" it! I've experimented like a madman trying to get the best mix of settings that allow me to at least hover between 50 and 60 FPS on my modest system. I wind up at 1080p, but I've got the graphics settings in a variety of places, mostly medium and some high. I lose 2 to 3 frames per second with 3D grass on, and a couple more with advanced hair on. I turn them on because I don't want my player looking like he's wearing a boxing helmet and the grass looks a little fried at times with 3D grass off.

I do perceive a difference between 30 and 60 FPS with the swing. I have to endure screen tearing and judder to be able to run it at an unlocked, vsync off combination to permit it, but most of the judder comes after the swing. The difference is not what I'd hoped for in terms of swing feel, but it's enough to convince me to make the graphics sacrifices to achieve what's there.

As I'm reading a variety of posts on this subject, and yours is a shining example, I'm subconsciously having the desire to put a system together that could run this game in the 60 to 90 FPS range in high/ultra detail at 1440p. I've learned over the last year that 1440p is the point of diminishing returns, as most of the time I'm almost as satisfied with the image quality at 1440p, as I am with 2160p.

I'm using a 55" TCL Series 6, 4K HDTV as my display device. It's limited to 60 Hz, so if I go with a computer that can handle higher refresh rates, I'm going to have buy a new VRR capable HDTV that will work with it. There is a built in lag of significant duration between the stick motion and backstroke animation in this game. It's particularly annoying in the putting game. It seems like I'm spending my entire putting stroke trying to get the golfer animation to catch up to where I'm at with the stick motion. In doing so, I tend to wind up with a fast tempo, which in most cases, counterintuitively produces a push. It's most apparent during 4 to 8 foot putts, where I'd say 80% of my misses are to the right.

It boils down to this... after the built in lag at the start, would 80 to 90 FPS be enough to help combat that feel of a lagging animation to enable me to fight this tendency to get too quick with the forestroke? This lag really applies to all swing types in this game, as probably 70 tp 75% of my swings have a fast tempo due to my senses trying to compensate for the lag.

[Oblong]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

Thanks to everyone for their input on a subject that isn't my forte'.

It seems that the overarching belly-aching that arose when the 30fps was announced was maybe a little more extreme than what it merited. Not to say that 60fps wouldn't be an easy choice over the current, obviously faster is better - as long as it remains stable and doesn't severely impact the visuals to the point of something like 720p (with possible exceptions for some folks).

From my discussions with devs it seems the 60fps is something they are very close to achieving. Whether they can do it without creating detrimental sacrifices seems to be what has to be ironed out.

There have been a lot of great suggestions for improvements and their community feedback post seems to be in good alignment with some of the most pressing wants. It can be difficult to prioritize things especially through all the noise that can sometimes lead them to focus on some things that may not be the best bang for the buck.

I have learned that sometimes what seems like the simplest of requests can turn out to be more intensive to repair. This often leads to laymen (like me) to think the devs are lazy or just not listening when in actuality it may be a re-programming nightmare. I don't think the fps issue is necessarily one of those but it may be something that has many parts to it. I thought it was interesting that someone mentioned you can section off parts of the game (like the swing meter) to run at a different fps from other onscreen parts.

[dubcity]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

If 60fps requires a pretty significant downgrade in fidelity, I'm likely not going to use it. I don't need to this game to be 2K.

[jbd345]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

If 60fps requires a pretty significant downgrade in fidelity, I'm likely not going to use it. I don't need to this game to be 2K.

I was in the were the heck is it camp until I saw the courses trailer. Now for me after playing the game it’ll be nice if they have it but won’t be heartbroken if they don’t.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: Odds 60fps and three click get added in day 1 patch?

I don't think the consoles can handle doing 60fps. Even the PC's are having a problem and you know they are more powerful than these new consoles are.