ApexHound Video on Updates Coming to EA Sports PGA Tour

[fsufan4423]

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Now we also need crossplay to be a thing. Tired of these empty lobbies on PC. Most I ever see is 1 maybe 2 other people queuing for an online match

The PC performance still needs work. Don't get me wrong, it playable, but still needs some fine tuning. Too many frame spikes/ stutters and weird transitions when using broadcast camera keeps me from putting too much time into this game.

[pietasterp]

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From what I've seen the hack shot feels not too OP in taking off lie penalty on longer irons, but once it gets to the shorter irons it basically removes any lie penalty present. Which seems to follow a common theme to me, the lie penalties for all shots ~6/7 iron or shorter just never feel enough.

I think another issue that makes hacks too OP is their dispersion area. You'd think hacking it out of a rough would bring into play much more accuracy randomness in exchange for a more surefire hit on the ball, but it turns out the hack shot has a slightly smaller dispersion area than that of the regular approach shot. Which doesn't make sense to me? The dispersion area of hack shots should be significantly increased to better represent it and make it more balanced and a bit more of a risk-reward shot. It has a couple things making it tougher like less spin and a much faster backswing animation, but it doesn't feel like it's enough.

This sums it up perfectly. A hack out of the rough (in real life) sacrifices:

1) Precision (the dispersion should be massive, and should include misses that go straight left or less commonly, right) - see the best players in the world at the US Open at Shinnecock for examples.

2) Spin - you can't get much spin on the ball out of the rough, so it should roll out when you hack out (rarely stop and never back-up). This causes a lot of the dispersion in terms of distance.

3) Predictability - there is a large amount of randomness introduced when you get into any sufficiently long rough. Most of the time, you have to hit more club than usual from a given distance, but sometimes you get flyer lies and you end up skying the ball way over the green. You can't really tell many times until you actually hit the ball.

In exchange for the above, you get the clubface on the ball and a chance to advance it in the general direction of your intended target. That's what I would consider a "hack". Anything other than that, and it's just a "shot".

[golfnut67]

Re: ApexHound Video on Updates Coming to EA Sports PGA Tour

Brilliant post. Spot on.

[bigkev]

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At the end of the day, it's a game. In the TW series, you use to get better clubs as you were progressing, even though it was not totally realistic. In this game, you're getting better shots.

[woody2goody]

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At the end of the day, it's a game. In the TW series, you use to get better clubs as you were progressing, even though it was not totally realistic. In this game, you're getting better shots.

I appreciate that but they shouldn't be better quite to so much extent.

A gold hack shot should turn a 50% lie into, say, 70%, not 100.

You can choose to not use certain shots to make it harder, but it does devalue the situational usage of the vast majority of these shots.

[pietasterp]

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At the end of the day, it's a game. In the TW series, you use to get better clubs as you were progressing, even though it was not totally realistic. In this game, you're getting better shots.

While I appreciate your perspective, I have a hard time with this line of thinking. Let's take a different situation: in this year's Madden, for example, if you could run backwards 40-yards and then throw facing the wrong direction 80-yards in the air a perfect strike to triple-covered receiver for a TD, would you be okay with that, because it's just a game*? This is sort of like that in golf, at least in my opinion.


*yes, I know this was actually possible in the old days on Madden...and we complained bitterly about it!

[bigkev]

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I didn't say I like it, it's just the way it's designed as a game. I think it's stupid that I couldn't play a texas wedge right from the start, I had to go and get it in progression. Just as I didn't like it we were getting those EA starter clubs in TW. Although I love the way we were getting sponsors stuff in TW13 challenges to get rid of those clubs almost right from the start.

For those real simmers who wanted to play in the 80s like in real life, you could chose to play with starter clubs in the TW series, or whatever or your choosing to play what they were shooting. In this game, it's to not use those easy progression shots.

Anyway, I prefer the HB/2K game when I feel like playing more like the real stuff. For career mode, the EA game is close to perfect for me.

[Dawgfan1]

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I appreciate that but they shouldn't be better quite to so much extent.

A gold hack shot should turn a 50% lie into, say, 70%, not 100.

You can choose to not use certain shots to make it harder, but it does devalue the situational usage of the vast majority of these shots.

To be fair, the hack shot does turn 50% lies into somwhere around 70%. It's the 75-80% or higher lies that it's turning into 95-100%. The issue with the hack and lie percentages being too high might tie back to the root of the whole lie percentage problem, the base lie percentages being too high for shorter clubs (and on certain courses, all of them being too high). Maybe the hack shot will still take off too much lie percentage if those are fixed, but right now it feels hard to determine when there's barely any lie percentage to take off to begin with.