This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

[SPTO]

So Jimmie Johnson "loses" his crew chief for four races (yeah right I bet he'll be in the garage etc etc) and the chief is on "probation" for the rest of the year. (Oh boy what exactly is THAT?)

Yet the DLP racing team gets fined AND loses race points.

Hmm something smells fishy here

Cheating is cheating IMO. There really isn't any varying degrees of cheating in auto racing IMO. So why is it that Jimmie Johnson doesn't get docked points yet a racing team with no real chance gets hurt there?

IMO there should be a standard punishment for any kind of cheating in NASCAR. At the very least there should be points docked or if the offense is egregious enough then wipe out the results of said race for the offending driver.

I'm interested in some of the motorheads response to this.

[pk500]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

This is standard procedure for NASCAR. It protects its stars.

For example, it's common knowledge that Richard Petty had an oversized engine in his car when he earned his 200th career victory in the Firecracker 400 in 1984 before President Reagan at Daytona. Nothing was done.

Stewart could have killed Kenseth Sunday. Why was he only moved to the rear of the field but Kenseth was given a drive-through for simply nudging Stewart's car in retaliation while exiting pit road?

Those are all examples of the favorites system that NASCAR plays in its punishment schemes.

Even Marty Smith of NASCAR.com, one of Johnson's best friends and a repeated butt-kisser of the 48 team, thinks NASCAR screwed up on this one:

http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/opin...ath/index.html

Take care,
PK

[cbgatorade0202]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

So Jimmie Johnson "loses" his crew chief for four races (yeah right I bet he'll be in the garage etc etc) and the chief is on "probation" for the rest of the year. (Oh boy what exactly is THAT?)

Yet the DLP racing team gets fined AND loses race points.

Hmm something smells fishy here

Cheating is cheating IMO. There really isn't any varying degrees of cheating in auto racing IMO. So why is it that Jimmie Johnson doesn't get docked points yet a racing team with no real chance gets hurt there?

IMO there should be a standard punishment for any kind of cheating in NASCAR. At the very least there should be points docked or if the offense is egregious enough then wipe out the results of said race for the offending driver.

I'm interested in some of the motorheads response to this.

Yea I'll have to agree this is kinda stupid...I'd like to know the real reasons to why Labonte loses points and Jimmie doesnt...I AM pretty sure tho that Chad Knaus wont be at any of the racetracks or anything like that, Yes it wont completely hurt them but it will hurt a little bit especially by race 4 when he's not there lookin at the car..But Cali and Vegas im pretty sure they allready have there cars ready to go for those races.

Im guessing Probation is if he gets caught again he could be in some Crap..but who knows they seem to get caught cheating all the time.

I'll say I dont really think this effects nascar to much at all....Almost all sports cheat to win..All Racing, All sports Some people are gonna cheat more then others and some will get caught. ..Do we view baseball as a joke now b/c People were on Steroids for so long..I'd say not But I do completely agree with what ur saying b/c To hurt Terry like that but nothin Jimmie Makes no sense at all to me

[cbgatorade0202]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

This is standard procedure for NASCAR. It protects its stars.

For example, it's common knowledge that Richard Petty had an oversized engine in his car when he earned his 200th career victory in the Firecracker 400 in 1984 before President Reagan at Daytona. Nothing was done.

Stewart could have killed Kenseth Sunday. Why was he only moved to the rear of the field but Kenseth was given a drive-through for simply nudging Stewart's car in retaliation while exiting pit road?

Those are all examples of the favorites system that NASCAR plays in its punishment schemes.

Even Marty Smith of NASCAR.com, one of Johnson's best friends and a repeated butt-kisser of the 48 team, thinks NASCAR screwed up on this one:

http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/opin...ath/index.html

Take care,
PK

I do agree with this...Why Tony Stewart is not in Deep crap over what he did who knows...I mean it would of been hard to just put him a lap down during the race but i do think he should have 25 points or somethin took off after the race...I like Tony Stewart but after that and then his lil hissy fit after the Race i just wanted to punch him in the face

[countryboy]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Jimmie Johnson will be docked driver points

[pk500]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Jimmie Johnson will be docked driver points

Very unlikely. It's not NASCAR's style to continue to pile on the penalties unless it specifies further penalties are coming.

When Knaus was busted at Daytona, the NASCAR news release said further penalties probably would be forthcoming. Those penalties were announced yesterday, and the release had no language indicating any further action would be taken.

Take care,
PK

[countryboy]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Very unlikely. It's not NASCAR's style to continue to pile on the penalties unless it specifies further penalties are coming.

When Knaus was busted at Daytona, the NASCAR news release said further penalties probably would be forthcoming. Those penalties were announced yesterday, and the release had no language indicating any further action would be taken.

Take care,
PK

Well then that is a joke. I guess in Nascar cheaters really do win

[dkgojackets]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Jimmie Johnson will be docked driver points

like pk said, they don't make one punishment announcement then add on to it later in the week.

And I really think Kenseth got screwed. Stewart went right into him and pretty much costed him a chance to win the race, and he just has to go to the back. Kenseth didnt help his cause by retaliating, but still it doesnt seem fair.

[countryboy]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

like pk said, they don't make one punishment announcement then add on to it later in the week.

And I really think Kenseth got screwed. Stewart went right into him and pretty much costed him a chance to win the race, and he just has to go to the back. Kenseth didnt help his cause by retaliating, but still it doesnt seem fair.

Stewart just needs a good ol' fashioned butt whippin.
I would love to see him pull that stunt on Jimmy Spencer, of course Spencer has to qualify for a Cup event and thats another story

[forensicd]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Let me tell you why NASCAR pisses me off so much. Look at all the other racing series out there, from IRL, CART, USAC to WoO. The sponsors have left all of the series for NASCAR, or at least reduced the amount of money. NASCAR has sucked out all of the sponsorship money from other series, leaving them scrambling for anything to grab ahold of. Penzoil cut there IRL sponsored teams dramatically for example. Arctic Cat, who sponsored our race car, is now in NASCAR with Tony Stewart and have taken away our sponsorship, and im sure our other large sponsor, Red Line Oil, will be gone soon. NASCAR is killing off other series of racing, and the "real" racing fans are the ones who are paying for it. Car counts at IRL and CART are becoming a joke, and now even WoO is feeling it even more so. If you are a company, what would you do: Put in 2 million in a WoO sprinter, or put your name on a busch car? The answer is obvious. ESPN has completely taken USAC off of their schedule, as have SPEED. We are now on the Outdoor Channel. Who watches the Outdoor channel? Or for that matter, who even has it! NASCAR will kill almost all other forms of racing here in the US, as it is impossible in this day in age to race with out sponsorship money, unless you run locally in a beat up car. An average race weekend in USAC will cost about 4-6,000 each race. 1000 for tires (have to change after ever time you are on the track to be competitive), crew, methanol, passes, etc. Along with this, you are looking at 55,000 for an engine, and you need at least 3, along with 4 chasis, shocks, etc, you are looking at about 200,000 minimum (we run two cars, so double that) to be a competitive racer. When you are racing for maybe 5000 a night, you see we dont race for money, but for love of racing. Now with all of the sponsors leaving, how can we come up with that kind of money? In our best year, we didnt even come close to breaking even, and that included winning Sprint Week, which is about as big as it comes in USAC. Ours is just one example, but it is happening all over the US becuase of NASCAR. Do i blame NASCAR? No, they are a business, and they are doing what works, but in that process they are killing of all other forms of racing.

[Rodster]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Let me tell you why NASCAR pisses me off so much. Look at all the other racing series out there, from IRL, CART, USAC to WoO. The sponsors have left all of the series for NASCAR, or at least reduced the amount of money. NASCAR has sucked out all of the sponsorship money from other series, leaving them scrambling for anything to grab ahold of.

And in the end this can only hurt Nascar. Not now but in the future it will catch up with them. As of now they are almost as popular as the NFL. Racing fans like me and you who apprieciate other forms of racing are not big fans of Nascar as I prefer Champ Cars, IRL, and F1.

I believe overexposure is what will catch up to Nascar. IMO I find little difference in the Presentation side of their Truck, Busch, Nextel Cup, Modified series etc. In other words pretty much everything is based on going roundy round and turn left.

As it stands now they have NO competition because American OWR is a disaster. Maybe that's why KK and Tony G. feel the need to bury the hatchet and give Nascar some competition. I pray and hope we'll see a bonefide merger so they can bring back AOWR back to where it use to be before the split.

But I gotta agree with you forensicd Nascar is bleeding dry pretty much every other racing series in the US.

just my .02 cents

[cbgatorade0202]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

And in the end this can only hurt Nascar. Not now but in the future it will catch up with them. As of now they are almost as popular as the NFL. Racing fans like me and you who apprieciate other forms of racing are not big fans of Nascar as I prefer Champ Cars, IRL, and F1.

I believe overexposure is what will catch up to Nascar. IMO I find little difference in the Presentation side of their Truck, Busch, Nextel Cup, Modified series etc. In other words pretty much everything is based on going roundy round and turn left.

As it stands now they have NO competition because American OWR is a disaster. Maybe that's why KK and Tony G. feel the need to bury the hatchet and give Nascar some competition. I pray and hope we'll see a bonefide merger so they can bring back AOWR back to where it use to be before the split.

But I gotta agree with you forensicd Nascar is bleeding dry pretty much every other racing series in the US.

just my .02 cents

Until the world runs out of fuel and those cars cant go around the track I dont see Nascar gettin hurt by anything ..Especially killing other racing in America....Nascar is only gonna keep gettin bigger and bigger

[crd829]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

This along with the influx of commercials on tv is why i have almost completley stopped following Nascar.I totally agree it is becoming more and more a joke, while it continues to reap the benifits from the "new" fans, imo it wont last long.They will get tired of the cheating,on the fly rule changes,television coverage,etc etc. Nascar has bitten off more than it can chew.

[forensicd]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

Until the world runs out of fuel and those cars cant go around the track I dont see Nascar gettin hurt by anything ..Especially killing other racing in America....Nascar is only gonna keep gettin bigger and bigger

The up and coming drivers have to come from somewhere dont they? Look at most of the NASCAR "stars", they have come from sprintcars and midgets and other smaller divisions (Gordon, Kahne, Newman, Stewart, Yeley, Blaney, etc.). If these divisions cease to exist, which if looking at the furure is not that unfeasbale, where do the next stars come from? Money drives the industry, its no longer a "run what ya brung" mentality anymore. Other divisions are feeling that now, and are slowly dieing a painful death. IRL and CART are both in danger, WoO is pretty much over with, USAC owners too are feeling it. With all the sponsorship money going to NASCAR, theres nothing left for the "little guys", and the fans are the ones paying the price. NASCAR is the cool thing now, and has been for some time now. We cant compete with them, even though we put on a better show. NASCAR races have become a running joke of sorts, and the glitz and glamour of all the fussing, fueding and cheating has caught all the nation by storm. It is no longer about racing in a way, as the drivers have become almost movie star status. Its like they are the Anna Kornikova of racing, all looks but no talent.

So, in the end, we will have to see how all of this will pan out, but as of now, its not looking good for many of us. We can win all we want, be on the front of sprintcar magazines, even have a diecast made of our cars, but when all is said and done, we get the raw end of the deal as far as racing goes.

[cbgatorade0202]

Re: This is why NASCAR will always be viewed as a joke to some

The up and coming drivers have to come from somewhere dont they? Look at most of the NASCAR "stars", they have come from sprintcars and midgets and other smaller divisions (Gordon, Kahne, Newman, Stewart, Yeley, Blaney, etc.). If these divisions cease to exist, which if looking at the furure is not that unfeasbale, where do the next stars come from? Money drives the industry, its no longer a "run what ya brung" mentality anymore. Other divisions are feeling that now, and are slowly dieing a painful death. IRL and CART are both in danger, WoO is pretty much over with, USAC owners too are feeling it. With all the sponsorship money going to NASCAR, theres nothing left for the "little guys", and the fans are the ones paying the price. NASCAR is the cool thing now, and has been for some time now. We cant compete with them, even though we put on a better show. NASCAR races have become a running joke of sorts, and the glitz and glamour of all the fussing, fueding and cheating has caught all the nation by storm. It is no longer about racing in a way, as the drivers have become almost movie star status. Its like they are the Anna Kornikova of racing, all looks but no talent.

So, in the end, we will have to see how all of this will pan out, but as of now, its not looking good for many of us. We can win all we want, be on the front of sprintcar magazines, even have a diecast made of our cars, but when all is said and done, we get the raw end of the deal as far as racing goes.

Im not a racer in anyway so we look and feel it in different ways, From ur posts im guessing ur a racer in someway? So ur gonna have Opinions different especially if itz screwing you over, Which i agree with Really can hurt racing. Young Drivers will keep coming up over and over again. I mean to be a Nascar Driver Your pretty much Allready very very rich before you make it into the Nascar Series. As long as the Rich people Keep into racing There will always be some type of new Drivers coming in

I do say this tho If RAcing keeps getting deleted and such I would say Who knows how great the Drivers will be in 20 years?

I also belive Nascar will be huge and bigger and bigger Through everyone's lifetime on this website......I should be going to the Night Darlington race in May and I cant wait to get out there for the 3rd time