NASCAR points system

[TidePride50]

This has been a hot topic as of late. I saw in the USA Today that France is thinking of revising the points system for next season. I think it is long overdue, too many teams just points race instead of racing to win. I think the winner of each race should get bonus points. And maybe qualifying points would be neat too, but Im still not sure about that idea. What do you guys think?

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

How about a modified version of what F1 does. Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.

I also like your idea of bonus points for winners of races. Maybe also have bonus points for pole leader before the race.

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

How about a modified version of what F1 does. Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.

I also like your idea of bonus points for winners of races. Maybe also have bonus points for pole leader before the race.

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

How about a modified version of what F1 does. Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.

I also like your idea of bonus points for winners of races. Maybe also have bonus points for pole leader before the race.

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

>>>Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.<<<

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

>>>Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.<<<

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

>>>Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.<<<

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

Yep, NASCAR's points system needs tweaking. Any system in which the second-place finisher (170 points, five points for leading a lap, five points for leading the most laps) earning as many points as the winner (175 points, five points for leading a lap) is flawed.

Just give the winner more points and more incentive. Maybe 200 points for the winner, 170 points for second. That's a 10-8.5 ratio, which is about the same as F1's 10-8 difference between first and second and the IRL's 50-40 difference between first and second.

Qualifying points are horsesh*t. Give a guy a point because he can drive one lap fast? That doesn't prove a thing about a guy's ability to race or about the team's ability to call strategy.

I also think NASCAR should eliminate points for leading a lap. Give five points for leading the most laps, but why should some slug running 15th who pits one lap out of sequence and ends up leading the next lap before pitting get a bonus?

This entire points system is still a sensitive subject, as the late, great Bob Latford designed it. Bob died just three weeks ago, and I hate to even mention changing his handiwork so soon after he died.

But the system does need to be changed, for the good of the sport, with all due respect to Bob.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

Yep, NASCAR's points system needs tweaking. Any system in which the second-place finisher (170 points, five points for leading a lap, five points for leading the most laps) earning as many points as the winner (175 points, five points for leading a lap) is flawed.

Just give the winner more points and more incentive. Maybe 200 points for the winner, 170 points for second. That's a 10-8.5 ratio, which is about the same as F1's 10-8 difference between first and second and the IRL's 50-40 difference between first and second.

Qualifying points are horsesh*t. Give a guy a point because he can drive one lap fast? That doesn't prove a thing about a guy's ability to race or about the team's ability to call strategy.

I also think NASCAR should eliminate points for leading a lap. Give five points for leading the most laps, but why should some slug running 15th who pits one lap out of sequence and ends up leading the next lap before pitting get a bonus?

This entire points system is still a sensitive subject, as the late, great Bob Latford designed it. Bob died just three weeks ago, and I hate to even mention changing his handiwork so soon after he died.

But the system does need to be changed, for the good of the sport, with all due respect to Bob.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: NASCAR points system

Yep, NASCAR's points system needs tweaking. Any system in which the second-place finisher (170 points, five points for leading a lap, five points for leading the most laps) earning as many points as the winner (175 points, five points for leading a lap) is flawed.

Just give the winner more points and more incentive. Maybe 200 points for the winner, 170 points for second. That's a 10-8.5 ratio, which is about the same as F1's 10-8 difference between first and second and the IRL's 50-40 difference between first and second.

Qualifying points are horsesh*t. Give a guy a point because he can drive one lap fast? That doesn't prove a thing about a guy's ability to race or about the team's ability to call strategy.

I also think NASCAR should eliminate points for leading a lap. Give five points for leading the most laps, but why should some slug running 15th who pits one lap out of sequence and ends up leading the next lap before pitting get a bonus?

This entire points system is still a sensitive subject, as the late, great Bob Latford designed it. Bob died just three weeks ago, and I hate to even mention changing his handiwork so soon after he died.

But the system does need to be changed, for the good of the sport, with all due respect to Bob.

Take care,
PK

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

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pk500 said:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.&lt;&lt;&lt;

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

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er I was close?

Maybe I shouldn't discuss auto racing

Tho I kinda like my idea

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

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pk500 said:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.&lt;&lt;&lt;

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

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er I was close?

Maybe I shouldn't discuss auto racing

Tho I kinda like my idea

[SPTO]

Re: NASCAR points system

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pk500 said:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let everyone that are in the lead lap get points. (I believe it's usually 30 cars in a race right?) So only the first 15 cars gets points and anyone that finishes below that doesn't get ANY points.&lt;&lt;&lt;

That's not how the point system in F1 works. The top eight finishers in F1 -- regardless of laps completed -- are awarded points on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

There are 20 starters in every F1 race this year. Ten teams, two cars per team.

Take care,
PK

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er I was close?

Maybe I shouldn't discuss auto racing

Tho I kinda like my idea

[TarHeelMan]

Re: NASCAR points system

Nice try, man... I still have a hard time fully explaining the points system, though I usually sum it up by saying that the more you finish consistently in the top 5-10, you will be in the hunt. I think the fact that Matt Kenseth could very well just win ONE(!!!) race this year shows the flaw in the system. Why should the DeWalt team benefit more from finishing top 10 consistently yet winning just one race, than Ryan Newman, who has won four races? I like Kenseth, don't get me wrong, I just think that the winner should get more points, and then I think you'd see much better racing.

I've heard too often where guys sounded like they gave up at the end: "We had a good car, I don't know if we'd have caught the leader, so we're content to finish second (or third, whatever) and keep our position in the points. I like PK's idea, maybe he can put this in NASCAR's ear at the appropriate time.

[TarHeelMan]

Re: NASCAR points system

Nice try, man... I still have a hard time fully explaining the points system, though I usually sum it up by saying that the more you finish consistently in the top 5-10, you will be in the hunt. I think the fact that Matt Kenseth could very well just win ONE(!!!) race this year shows the flaw in the system. Why should the DeWalt team benefit more from finishing top 10 consistently yet winning just one race, than Ryan Newman, who has won four races? I like Kenseth, don't get me wrong, I just think that the winner should get more points, and then I think you'd see much better racing.

I've heard too often where guys sounded like they gave up at the end: "We had a good car, I don't know if we'd have caught the leader, so we're content to finish second (or third, whatever) and keep our position in the points. I like PK's idea, maybe he can put this in NASCAR's ear at the appropriate time.