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  • pk500
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 8062

    #1

    Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

    Boys:

    I initially made this post at Digital Sportspage, but I thought it might be helpful for some of those who have purchased the strong new IndyCar Series 2005:

    >>>>>

    There's no doubt that IndyCar Series 2005 has flaws and a few bugs -- I'm not using this post to debate this. But I'm convinced that some of the "bugs" we're seeing surrounding extended cautions aren't bugs but actually a case of some of us not knowing the rules about caution periods, packing up behind the Pace Car, etc.

    For example, last night in our 100-lapper at Indy, each of our first three cautions were extended by at least two laps because a human racer didn't follow the wavearound rule and pass the Pace Car when it didn't have the green triangles over it, delaying the field packing up behind the Pace Car.

    So I thought a quick primer of how the yellows work in IndyCar Series 2005 might be in order:

    1. You cannot pass any cars with the green triangles over them once the yellow appears. No racing back to the caution. Slow down immediately when you either hear the spotter call "Yellow" or when you see green triangles appear over the next car in front of you, signalling a caution.

    2. If the car in front of you does not have the green triangles over it, you can pass it under yellow. Sometimes you're trailing the Pace Car under yellow, and green triangles DO NOT appear above it. If so, you can pass the Pace Car. This is the "wavearound" rule, which gives you a lap back. Sort of like the "lucky dog" rule in NASCAR, for those who follow the sport. Once you pass the Pace Car after a "wavearound," ensuring no green triangles are above the Pace Car, step on the gas pretty good to get around to the back of the pack quickly. Don't just lolly-gag around at the same speed you were while approaching the Pace Car or it will take forever to pack up the field again. Increase your fuel setting to 1 to gain enough speed to reach the back of the pack quickly. But remember to slow down as soon as you see the green triangles over the car that's in front of you in the order. You can't pass that car -- it has the green triangles over it.

    3. If you're the leader when a caution starts, slow down the first time you get into Turns 1 and 2. The Pace Car exits the pits and approaches the track via the pit exit lane adjacent to Turns 1 and 2, entering the track at the exit of Turn 2. If you slow down enough while leading, sometimes you can give the Pace Car enough time to get on track in front of you, cutting a lap from the caution. If you arrive in Turn 2 and don't see the Pace Car, then pick up the pace to intercept the Pace Car quickly on the next lap. During cautions, the goal is to get the field aligned in proper order behind the Pace Car as quickly as possible.

    4. Remember to set your fuel mixture to 0 during cautions. This serves two purposes. One, it saves fuel. Two, it almost acts as a speed limiter during cautions, as your top speed while in fuel mixture 0 is around 120 mph.

    5. There's still some confusion over pit road speed limit. The limit is measured at the entrance of the pits, before pit lane autodrive takes over. Pit lane speed violations are NOT an arbitrary thing. There's usually a white or yellow line just past the start of the pit wall that signifies the pit lane speed line. If you're going faster than 60 mph, or whatever the pit lane speed limit is for that race, when you reach that line, you will be black-flagged.

    6. Black flags only can be served during green-flag racing conditions. So don't dive into the pits under caution expecting a black flag to disappear.

    7. You can enter a closed pit to get damage fixed and I believe enough fuel to last two laps. But you can't change tires, make wing adjustments or get more than two laps worth of fuel.

    8. The Pace Car slows pretty significantly when pulling off the track at the entrance of Turn 1 on the final caution lap, signified by your spotter saying, "Green next time by." Be sure to give the cars ahead and behind you quite a buffer zone and get off the gas as you approach Turn 1 of the final caution lap. The green doesn't drop until you're in Turn 4, so you're not going to lose any space by backing off in Turn 1 and preventing a big pileup under yellow.

    9. You can pass someone as soon as the green flag flies and the triangles disappear from over their car, even if it's before the start-finish line to begin the first complete green-flag lap on a restart. This differs from the start of the race, where you can't pass anyone until after crossing the start-finish line.

    I hope this helps you cats enjoy this game even more. Last night's 100-lapper was fun, even if we had way too many caution periods. I ashamedly caused too many of those!

    Post any follow-ups to this primer or please point out where I'm wrong in any part of this.

    <<<<<

    Take care,
    PK
    Xbox Live: pk4425
  • Smallberries
    Rookie
    • Jul 2002
    • 245

    #2
    Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

    Nice post, PK, but there IS a serious yellow flag bug in Indy 2005. Doesn't matter if autodrive or AI matching is turned on or off, yellows are botched in this game. I've not played any other track than Miami yet, as I can't make it through without a yellow taking me to the end. Codemasters screwed it up, plain and simple, and since I'm only interested in a sim experience, I refuse to play with yellows turned off. If there's no chance of a patch via LIVE, this game is going back soon.

    Too bad, because Indy 2005 has a lot of things to like about it.

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    • Smallberries
      Rookie
      • Jul 2002
      • 245

      #3
      Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

      Nice post, PK, but there IS a serious yellow flag bug in Indy 2005. Doesn't matter if autodrive or AI matching is turned on or off, yellows are botched in this game. I've not played any other track than Miami yet, as I can't make it through without a yellow taking me to the end. Codemasters screwed it up, plain and simple, and since I'm only interested in a sim experience, I refuse to play with yellows turned off. If there's no chance of a patch via LIVE, this game is going back soon.

      Too bad, because Indy 2005 has a lot of things to like about it.

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      • Smallberries
        Rookie
        • Jul 2002
        • 245

        #4
        Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

        Nice post, PK, but there IS a serious yellow flag bug in Indy 2005. Doesn't matter if autodrive or AI matching is turned on or off, yellows are botched in this game. I've not played any other track than Miami yet, as I can't make it through without a yellow taking me to the end. Codemasters screwed it up, plain and simple, and since I'm only interested in a sim experience, I refuse to play with yellows turned off. If there's no chance of a patch via LIVE, this game is going back soon.

        Too bad, because Indy 2005 has a lot of things to like about it.

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        • pk500
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 8062

          #5
          Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

          Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off. Someone in your online game -- or offline game, for that matter -- isn't following the rules. Either they're not passing the Pace Car when the green triangles don't appear above it and ignoring the wavearound rule, or they're crashing during cautions, extending the caution.

          Finally, what length races are you racing? If you're only running 10 or 20 lappers, then yes, there's a good chance that your race could end under yellow.

          But races don't run all the way to the finish in interminable cautions if autodrive is off and all of the drivers follow the rules and don't crash during yellows. The problem with yellows in this game is just as much a human problem as it is a programming problem.

          There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

          Take care,
          PK
          Xbox Live: pk4425

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          • pk500
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 8062

            #6
            Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

            Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off. Someone in your online game -- or offline game, for that matter -- isn't following the rules. Either they're not passing the Pace Car when the green triangles don't appear above it and ignoring the wavearound rule, or they're crashing during cautions, extending the caution.

            Finally, what length races are you racing? If you're only running 10 or 20 lappers, then yes, there's a good chance that your race could end under yellow.

            But races don't run all the way to the finish in interminable cautions if autodrive is off and all of the drivers follow the rules and don't crash during yellows. The problem with yellows in this game is just as much a human problem as it is a programming problem.

            There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

            Take care,
            PK
            Xbox Live: pk4425

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            • pk500
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 8062

              #7
              Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

              Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off. Someone in your online game -- or offline game, for that matter -- isn't following the rules. Either they're not passing the Pace Car when the green triangles don't appear above it and ignoring the wavearound rule, or they're crashing during cautions, extending the caution.

              Finally, what length races are you racing? If you're only running 10 or 20 lappers, then yes, there's a good chance that your race could end under yellow.

              But races don't run all the way to the finish in interminable cautions if autodrive is off and all of the drivers follow the rules and don't crash during yellows. The problem with yellows in this game is just as much a human problem as it is a programming problem.

              There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

              Take care,
              PK
              Xbox Live: pk4425

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              • Smallberries
                Rookie
                • Jul 2002
                • 245

                #8
                Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                pk500 said:
                Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off.
                There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

                Take care,
                PK

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                Sorry to disagree, PK, but I'm certain it's a bug rather than human error. At least in my case, on the Xbox. (Are you running it on the PC?) I understand the rules and how to follow on a yellow, and I can most assuredly say this game is screwed up. It doesn't happen every time, but enough to "bug" me. I fully play sim all the way, 200 laps on Pro, with all the aids turned off, and I've never made it through Miami yet. It makes no difference if autodrive is on or off. I'd say about half the time, the yellow results in stupidity. And with 3 or 4 yellow flags occurring in my races, well, we got trouble.

                I haven't tested this on LIVE yet, but at the Codemasters forum its been noted that it occurs online as well. Also confirmed to be a problem on the PS2 version (overseas). I don't know about the PC version.

                If you would like to test it (and compare apples to apples), start up a new season on Pro on Xbox, set the # of laps to maximum, turn the aids all to off if you want, and race Miami. Usually around lap 75, if I get a yellow, the problem occurs (but I've had it happen as early as lap 40). I should mention that I'm usually a lap or two behind the leader by that stage in the race. I say that because maybe the glitch is a result of being x number of laps behind. I dunno, but I hate bugs, and this one, imo, is huge and has ruined my short experience.

                If you do test it and don't encounter any problems, let me know. In fact, try it twice. If you don't get any problems, maybe I have a bad copy of the game. It's worth crossing my fingers for.

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                • Smallberries
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 245

                  #9
                  Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  pk500 said:
                  Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off.
                  There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

                  Take care,
                  PK

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                  Sorry to disagree, PK, but I'm certain it's a bug rather than human error. At least in my case, on the Xbox. (Are you running it on the PC?) I understand the rules and how to follow on a yellow, and I can most assuredly say this game is screwed up. It doesn't happen every time, but enough to "bug" me. I fully play sim all the way, 200 laps on Pro, with all the aids turned off, and I've never made it through Miami yet. It makes no difference if autodrive is on or off. I'd say about half the time, the yellow results in stupidity. And with 3 or 4 yellow flags occurring in my races, well, we got trouble.

                  I haven't tested this on LIVE yet, but at the Codemasters forum its been noted that it occurs online as well. Also confirmed to be a problem on the PS2 version (overseas). I don't know about the PC version.

                  If you would like to test it (and compare apples to apples), start up a new season on Pro on Xbox, set the # of laps to maximum, turn the aids all to off if you want, and race Miami. Usually around lap 75, if I get a yellow, the problem occurs (but I've had it happen as early as lap 40). I should mention that I'm usually a lap or two behind the leader by that stage in the race. I say that because maybe the glitch is a result of being x number of laps behind. I dunno, but I hate bugs, and this one, imo, is huge and has ruined my short experience.

                  If you do test it and don't encounter any problems, let me know. In fact, try it twice. If you don't get any problems, maybe I have a bad copy of the game. It's worth crossing my fingers for.

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                  • Smallberries
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 245

                    #10
                    Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    pk500 said:
                    Well, I don't think it's a bug with autodrive turned off.
                    There are serious issues when using caution autodrive, no doubt. Avoid it like genital warts.

                    Take care,
                    PK

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                    Sorry to disagree, PK, but I'm certain it's a bug rather than human error. At least in my case, on the Xbox. (Are you running it on the PC?) I understand the rules and how to follow on a yellow, and I can most assuredly say this game is screwed up. It doesn't happen every time, but enough to "bug" me. I fully play sim all the way, 200 laps on Pro, with all the aids turned off, and I've never made it through Miami yet. It makes no difference if autodrive is on or off. I'd say about half the time, the yellow results in stupidity. And with 3 or 4 yellow flags occurring in my races, well, we got trouble.

                    I haven't tested this on LIVE yet, but at the Codemasters forum its been noted that it occurs online as well. Also confirmed to be a problem on the PS2 version (overseas). I don't know about the PC version.

                    If you would like to test it (and compare apples to apples), start up a new season on Pro on Xbox, set the # of laps to maximum, turn the aids all to off if you want, and race Miami. Usually around lap 75, if I get a yellow, the problem occurs (but I've had it happen as early as lap 40). I should mention that I'm usually a lap or two behind the leader by that stage in the race. I say that because maybe the glitch is a result of being x number of laps behind. I dunno, but I hate bugs, and this one, imo, is huge and has ruined my short experience.

                    If you do test it and don't encounter any problems, let me know. In fact, try it twice. If you don't get any problems, maybe I have a bad copy of the game. It's worth crossing my fingers for.

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                    • pk500
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 8062

                      #11
                      Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                      Berries:

                      I'll check it out. Sounds like there is a problem.

                      Not sure if it's something related to the season mode. I haven't played season mode with this year's game, although I played the hell out of it with last year's game.

                      FYI: ICS 2005 is not being released for PC.

                      Take care,
                      PK
                      Xbox Live: pk4425

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                      • pk500
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 8062

                        #12
                        Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                        Berries:

                        I'll check it out. Sounds like there is a problem.

                        Not sure if it's something related to the season mode. I haven't played season mode with this year's game, although I played the hell out of it with last year's game.

                        FYI: ICS 2005 is not being released for PC.

                        Take care,
                        PK
                        Xbox Live: pk4425

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                        • pk500
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 8062

                          #13
                          Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                          Berries:

                          I'll check it out. Sounds like there is a problem.

                          Not sure if it's something related to the season mode. I haven't played season mode with this year's game, although I played the hell out of it with last year's game.

                          FYI: ICS 2005 is not being released for PC.

                          Take care,
                          PK
                          Xbox Live: pk4425

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                          • mgoblue
                            Go Wings!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 25477

                            #14
                            Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                            it's a really fun game, but there is an issue with the AI getting in line or something...I've been behind the car with green arrows for laps, and just sat at yellow....I'm gonna keep with it though, online should be good when I get my speeds up
                            Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-7009-7102-8818

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                            • mgoblue
                              Go Wings!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 25477

                              #15
                              Re: Caution period primer for IndyCar Series 2005

                              it's a really fun game, but there is an issue with the AI getting in line or something...I've been behind the car with green arrows for laps, and just sat at yellow....I'm gonna keep with it though, online should be good when I get my speeds up
                              Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-7009-7102-8818

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