Re: September NPD

[spankdatazz22]

Re: September NPD

I have a female coworker who recently purchased a Wii and she loves it. Previously I had been joking w/her to get her son a 360, and she was saying how she wasn't sure, how he didn't need it, etc. But she purchased a Wii soon as she found one. She loves the Wii sports games, it's great for parties. But she's likely not going to purchase much else, so Mario/Zelda/Metroid mean pretty much nothing to her. I think there are many people out there purchasing the Wii that are similar

[jmood88]

Re: September NPD

Here's the thing: Everything is Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario, Wario, Luigi and Smash Brothers.

I really enjoy Mario. But I can only play so many games like that. Mario soccer, Mario baseball, Mario Football, Mario cooking, Mario takes a dump. C'mon!

I completely agree but Nintendo never takes any heat for that crap.

[matthewk]

Re: September NPD

The same lack of diversity that Nintendo has about the 360 tossing out FPS after FPS is flawed because each brings a different type of aspect to the genre. Each game that comes out on the 360 has a different storyline and approach they take.

Ok, here is where YOUR logic is flawed. So you're saying that because the maps, story, and weapons change that the FPS are all variations on a theme and not redundant. Yet right after that you slam Nintendo for Mario. Isn;t every Mario game just as different as every FPS? The stories change. The levels change. The overall themes cahnge. Now the controls have even changed.

Bashing Nintendo for repeating Mario and Zelda is no different than MS repeating Halo. All three consoles are guilty of repeating titles that worked in the past.

I also completly disagree that they have sacrificed the games. The graphics are slightly better than the GC, so that hasn't been sacrificed either, just not advanced as far as the 360 or PS3. The games have actually been made better rather than being sacrificed.

[matthewk]

Re: September NPD

The biggest note that needs to be pointed out is the price point of the 360 v. the Wii also. The Wii is cheaper so it's easier to get for most people.

Wii = $250
360 Arcade version = $279

Not much of a price difference.

Also, with that backwards compatibility, aren't the inners the same as the Gamecube? Why would they not have 100% BC when the Wii is a more powerful GC with wireless waggle??

The reasons why don't matter. Fact is, the Wii is 100% backwards compatible. And Nintendo weren't the ones touting how "virtually 100%" of their old gen titles would be BC.

[matthewk]

Re: September NPD

Here's the thing: Everything is Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario, Wario, Luigi and Smash Brothers.

I really enjoy Mario. But I can only play so many games like that. Mario soccer, Mario baseball, Mario Football, Mario cooking, Mario takes a dump. C'mon!

Good Wii games already out that do not involve Mario or Zelda:
SSX Blur
TW 08
Marble Mania
Carnival Games
Resident Evil 4
MLB Power Pros
Metroid Prime 3
The Bigs

And those are just the ones I've tried or own.

Coming out by the end of the year:
Guitar Hero III
Victorious Boxers Revolution
Hooked!
Battallion wars 2
Manhunt 2
Nitrobike
Ghost Squad
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Smackdown vs. Raw 2008
Lego Star Wars
Trauma Center: New Blood
Indy 500 Legends
MX vs. ATV
...and so on. Lots of promising games to choose from, even if you never want to see Mario on your TV.

Let's just accept the fact that a large section of the 360/PS3 crowd does not intersect with a large section of the Wii crowd. Both the 360 and Wii sold very well last month, and both shold continue to do so through the next couple of years. The one that really needs to be worried is the PS3.

[Pared]

Re: September NPD

I was referring to first party games by Nintendo...

[jmood88]

Re: September NPD

Good Wii games already out that do not involve Mario or Zelda:
SSX Blur
TW 08
Marble Mania
Carnival Games
Resident Evil 4
MLB Power Pros
Metroid Prime 3
The Bigs

And those are just the ones I've tried or own.

Coming out by the end of the year:
Guitar Hero III
Victorious Boxers Revolution
Hooked!
Battallion wars 2
Manhunt 2
Nitrobike
Ghost Squad
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Smackdown vs. Raw 2008
Lego Star Wars
Trauma Center: New Blood
Indy 500 Legends
MX vs. ATV
...and so on. Lots of promising games to choose from, even if you never want to see Mario on your TV.

Let's just accept the fact that a large section of the 360/PS3 crowd does not intersect with a large section of the Wii crowd. Both the 360 and Wii sold very well last month, and both shold continue to do so through the next couple of years. The one that really needs to be worried is the PS3.

Most of those are ports. Where are the original third party Wii games?

[jmood88]

Re: September NPD

Wii = $250
360 Arcade version = $279

Not much of a price difference.



The reasons why don't matter. Fact is, the Wii is 100% backwards compatible. And Nintendo weren't the ones touting how "virtually 100%" of their old gen titles would be BC.

The 360 arcade doesn't even exist in stores right now and the only company that said anything about all their titles being backwards compatible was Sony.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: September NPD

I think the Wii is cool and fun, but far from being a next gen system, and please dont give me the controller crap is next-gen...The 360 and PS3 are next gen, and thats the sales I look at...Yeah the wii is selling and great and will mostly continue, and thats great fro nintendo, but as far as HARDCORE gamers like ourselves, we either own a 360/PS3, to me thats were the Next-Gen war is, and yes I know some on here own the wii too, but I know thats not your number one console...

[ESPNdeportes]

Re: September NPD

No offense but the mindset you have about the gaming industry right now is a little flawed. Most of the people who picked up the Halo 3 aren't the same people buying the Wii. Those people who are buying the Wii aren't necessarily buying it for the 10+ games that they "have to play" due to the hype and praise they have. So far, how many of the games on the Wii haev been stellar? The Wii is a great demonstration of thinking outside the box, but let us not give Nintendo the title belt before they've been in the ring a few years. Honestly, Nintendo is selling like hotcakes off those shelves, but how is the attached rate for those games? What are their top 25 games and how are those numbers? Nintendo chose to fight a whole different battle in bringing the "casual" gamer onboard. However, they fail to realize that the hardcore gamers are the ones that made them what they are and have sustained them through their high and low times.

The same lack of diversity that Nintendo has about the 360 tossing out FPS after FPS is flawed because each brings a different type of aspect to the genre. Each game that comes out on the 360 has a different storyline and approach they take. I love Mario Mario and Luigi Mario but they aren't what they use to be in my mind. Nintendo has put themself between a rock and a hard place. They've made gaming more accessible for the normal person who isn't as into gaming. But they sacrificed graphics, cpu, and the games as a cost. Wii is great, but if it doesn't get games, the fad will shine out next year definitely. I don't care how cheap the system is and how big Mario's name is, if the games don't hit the console, the system will take a nice dive.

The biggest note that needs to be pointed out is the price point of the 360 v. the Wii also. The Wii is cheaper so it's easier to get for most people. If the 360 drops more, you can put Nintendo's console in the same frame as the GC. Also, with that backwards compatibility, aren't the inners the same as the Gamecube? Why would they not have 100% BC when the Wii is a more powerful GC with wireless waggle??

Yeah, but the point is that there are good games coming out, and there are good games out now.

And I personally don't care if the good games are Nintendo games, ports, or original 3rd party Wii games. Even if there are zero 3rd party games, it makes no difference to as long as there are enough good games to keep me busy. Which, by the look of things, there will be.

[tripwire]

Re: September NPD

Hey, we can all see how huge the Wii has been in the sales department, but don't think for a second it won't die out like the Gamecube did for lack of 3rd party support.

The fact remains that 3rd party games have generally not sold well on the Wii, and if it remains a 1st party friendly console, then it's legs will eventually get cut out from under it.

History has already shown that lesson before.

[DaveDQ]

Re: September NPD

I have a female coworker who recently purchased a Wii and she loves it. Previously I had been joking w/her to get her son a 360, and she was saying how she wasn't sure, how he didn't need it, etc. But she purchased a Wii soon as she found one. She loves the Wii sports games, it's great for parties. But she's likely not going to purchase much else, so Mario/Zelda/Metroid mean pretty much nothing to her. I think there are many people out there purchasing the Wii that are similar

I played the Wii for the first time this past weekend. It's very impressive and its soul is video gaming. I too came away with the mindset of it being a great party system. I don't understand why people tend to snub it as not being relevant (in comparison to the 360/PS3).

[xrams]

Re: September NPD

No offense but the mindset you have about the gaming industry right now is a little flawed. Most of the people who picked up the Halo 3 aren't the same people buying the Wii. Those people who are buying the Wii aren't necessarily buying it for the 10+ games that they "have to play" due to the hype and praise they have. So far, how many of the games on the Wii haev been stellar? The Wii is a great demonstration of thinking outside the box, but let us not give Nintendo the title belt before they've been in the ring a few years. Honestly, Nintendo is selling like hotcakes off those shelves, but how is the attached rate for those games? What are their top 25 games and how are those numbers? Nintendo chose to fight a whole different battle in bringing the "casual" gamer onboard. However, they fail to realize that the hardcore gamers are the ones that made them what they are and have sustained them through their high and low times.

The same lack of diversity that Nintendo has about the 360 tossing out FPS after FPS is flawed because each brings a different type of aspect to the genre. Each game that comes out on the 360 has a different storyline and approach they take. I love Mario Mario and Luigi Mario but they aren't what they use to be in my mind. Nintendo has put themself between a rock and a hard place. They've made gaming more accessible for the normal person who isn't as into gaming. But they sacrificed graphics, cpu, and the games as a cost. Wii is great, but if it doesn't get games, the fad will shine out next year definitely. I don't care how cheap the system is and how big Mario's name is, if the games don't hit the console, the system will take a nice dive.

The biggest note that needs to be pointed out is the price point of the 360 v. the Wii also. The Wii is cheaper so it's easier to get for most people. If the 360 drops more, you can put Nintendo's console in the same frame as the GC. Also, with that backwards compatibility, aren't the inners the same as the Gamecube? Why would they not have 100% BC when the Wii is a more powerful GC with wireless waggle??

Great post luvmist...!!!

[matthewk]

Re: September NPD

I was referring to first party games by Nintendo...

Then you should have stated that.

So what if all of their 1st party games are Mario related? I just pointed out a whole slew of titles that have nothing to do with Mario.

[Pared]

Re: September NPD

Then you should have stated that.

So what if all of their 1st party games are Mario related? I just pointed out a whole slew of titles that have nothing to do with Mario.

And someone else pointed out most of them are either ports or rehash of old games.

What does that have to do with Nintendo making 14 games called Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Mario Soccer, Mario Kart Wii.... and so forth?

Keep selling it to the soccer moms. I'm not interested. And you have the exact reasons why. I'm interested in EVERYTHING advancing, meaning gameplay, presentation, graphics, ingenuity... not waving around a stick here and there.

FOR ME, the novely wore off quick. That's not to say Jimmy and his parents can't bowl themselves silly for the rest of their lives.