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  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #196
    Re: Wii U Discussion

    Eurogamer expose: how powerful is the Wii U really? (Information from developers)

    How powerful is the Wii U really? Is it less powerful than the PS3 and Xbox 360? Is it as powerful? More powerful? And how will it compare to the next generation? What quality of graphics will we see from Wii U games?

    Answering these questions is impossible, given how abstract the idea of console power is in the first place. Is X twice as powerful as Y? Is Y 10 times as powerful than Z? And what does power mean anyway?

    And yet, we want answers. Part of what makes us love games is what makes them look so good. Advancements in graphics technology have defined the game industry as new hardware comes and goes. Graphics, for so many, mean so much.

    The Wii U's true power has been shrouded in mystery ever since it was announced, with developers working on launch titles gagged by strict non-disclosure agreements and ever shifting development kits. Now, though, as we near launch, final kits are in the wild. And, crucially, developers Eurogamer spoke to as part of a wide-ranging investigation into the innards of the Wii U now have final specifications.

    Here's what they told us.

    *there's a ton more cut out from here, check the link*

    The CPU: The Wii U's IBM-made CPU is made up of three Power PC cores. We've been unable to ascertain the clock speed of the CPU (more on this later), but we know out of order execution is supported.

    RAM in the final retail unit: 1GB of RAM is available to games.

    GPU: The Wii U's graphics processing unit is a custom AMD 7 series GPU. Clock speed and pipelines were not disclosed, but we do know it supports DirectX 10 and shader 4 type features. We also know that eDRAM is embedded in the GPU custom chip in a similar way to the Wii.
    We asked Blitz Games Studios' design director John Nash the impossible to answer question: is the Wii U more powerful than the current generation? "It's comparable to the current generation and a bit more powerful than that," he replied. Pretty unscientific, eh?

    First, the positives. Where the Wii U outdoes the current generation is in RAM and GPU. The Wii U has, effectively, twice the RAM available to games that the Xbox 360 and the PS3 each have. And we hear much praise of the GPU.

    "The Wii U is a nice console to work with because it's got so much RAM in comparison [to the PS3 and Xbox 360]," another Wii U developer, who wished to remain anonymous, told us. "For E3 we simply dumped the whole game into memory and never once used the disc after the content was loaded from it."

    It is the RAM in combination with the GPU that means Wii U games have the potential to outshine Xbox 360 and PS3 games. Indeed, according to one source, the Wii U version of his company's game will be "the smoothest console version".

    "We're a GPU-heavy game," the source continued. "Wii U has a powerful GPU with more oomph than the rivals - and is more modern in architecture and shader support, which may come in handy later on.

    "The CPU on the other hand is a different question. We are not limited by it but some other games might suffer from it. Still, because of the GPU, I expect most multi-platform games to look the best on Wii U, even if the difference might not be huge sometimes."

    The mention of the Wii U's CPU raised our eyebrow - as it has done for many developers we've spoken to. While its clock speed remains private, most developers agree it is lower than the clock speed offered by the PS3 and Xbox 360's CPUs - disappointing for many.
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    • TracerBullet
      One Last Job
      • Jun 2009
      • 22119

      #197
      Re: Wii U Discussion

      Is there some technological reason why we're still getting only 1GB of RAM? I'm obviously glad it's more, but even the speculations about the next XBox and Playstation have mentioned only 1GB. I feel like they could at least double that with how cheap RAM is these days. Just want to know if I'm missing something.

      Everything else there sounds about like what I expected.
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      • EnigmaNemesis
        Animal Liberation
        • Apr 2006
        • 12216

        #198
        Re: Wii U Discussion

        Not naming any names, but I have a good friend who works on a large popular multi-platform franchise.

        Said the Wii U is not as powerful as rumored, and in most cases less powerful than current gen machines (PS3/360). That a lot of sacrifices had to be made to a certain game's physics engine because the Wii U can not handle it even close to what the PS3 can do, let alone the 360. Horrible at number crunching calculations in that department.

        So the CPU issue, definitely shows. Which traditionally effects physics, AI, and other variables.
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        • Flawless
          Bang-bang! Down-down!
          • Mar 2004
          • 16780

          #199
          Re: Wii U Discussion

          Originally posted by TracerBullet
          Is there some technological reason why we're still getting only 1GB of RAM? I'm obviously glad it's more, but even the speculations about the next XBox and Playstation have mentioned only 1GB. I feel like they could at least double that with how cheap RAM is these days. Just want to know if I'm missing something.

          Everything else there sounds about like what I expected.

          Most recent rumors have the next Xbox and Playstation at 4GB, with some saying the next Xbox could have 8GB of slower RAM, because it will need lots of memory for "other things" besides gaming.
          Go Noles!!! >>----->

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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #200
            Re: Wii U Discussion

            Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
            Not naming any names, but I have a good friend who works on a large popular multi-platform franchise.

            Said the Wii U is not as powerful as rumored, and in most cases less powerful than current gen machines (PS3/360). That a lot of sacrifices had to be made to a certain game's physics engine because the Wii U can not handle it even close to what the PS3 can do, let alone the 360. Horrible at number crunching calculations in that department.

            So the CPU issue, definitely shows. Which traditionally effects physics, AI, and other variables.

            I wouldnt change my physics engine, I'd give the Wii U a port for all the system is worth though, or lack of what it is. Would be nintendos fault

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            • EnigmaNemesis
              Animal Liberation
              • Apr 2006
              • 12216

              #201
              Originally posted by 23
              I wouldnt change my physics engine, I'd give the Wii U a port for all the system is worth though, or lack of what it is. Would be nintendos fault
              They didn't change it on the current consoles, just eliminated a lot of calculations on he Wii U.

              So while it's picture fidelity may be a hair better, in motion can change all that.
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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #202
                Re: Wii U Discussion

                That's terrible and I have no idea why they gave the perception that this would even be more powerful than current consoles, yet they're going to suffer like an unfinished EA game.

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                • EnigmaNemesis
                  Animal Liberation
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 12216

                  #203
                  They saw the sales of the Wii stalling. Once the novelty wore off, people wanted more physics, graphics, AI, online, add-ons etc. out of games.

                  They needed to do something, and have been doing it low cost since Wii came out and their DS revisions. Now this. They are not going to invest like Sony or MSFT will. They like to profit out of the gate. Sadly it may catch up with them faster than they thought. Especially since MSFT and Sony have motion controls as well.
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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #204
                    Re: Wii U Discussion

                    The problem with technology is that it changes so much. I understand wanting to be cost effective, but dont do it this way to the point it hurts you overall down the line.

                    If they get left behind they can't just catch up with the kind of wind trail they'll be following. I still remember them showing PS3 games when they were talking abou this system...

                    You just can't make this stuff up

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                    • CaptainZombie
                      Brains
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 37851

                      #205
                      Re: Wii U Discussion

                      Originally posted by TracerBullet
                      Is there some technological reason why we're still getting only 1GB of RAM? I'm obviously glad it's more, but even the speculations about the next XBox and Playstation have mentioned only 1GB. I feel like they could at least double that with how cheap RAM is these days. Just want to know if I'm missing something.

                      Everything else there sounds about like what I expected.
                      Originally posted by Flawless
                      Most recent rumors have the next Xbox and Playstation at 4GB, with some saying the next Xbox could have 8GB of slower RAM, because it will need lots of memory for "other things" besides gaming.
                      Even some rumors are pegging the PS4 at 16gb which would be insanely too much imo.
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                      • EnigmaNemesis
                        Animal Liberation
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 12216

                        #206
                        There is never "too much" RAM.

                        Lack of memory is always the number one bottleneck. And always the biggest complaint by developers.
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                        • Skyboxer
                          Donny Baseball!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 20302

                          #207
                          Re: Wii U Discussion

                          Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                          There is never "too much" RAM.

                          Lack of memory is always the number one bottleneck. And always the biggest complaint by developers.
                          Yep. Saying there's too much RAM is like saying there's too many hot women in the room. That isn't possible.
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                          • Flawless
                            Bang-bang! Down-down!
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 16780

                            #208
                            Re: Wii U Discussion

                            Wii U: Amazon distributor claims Nov 11 release, $249 price tag

                            Video Product Distributors – the same company that supplies stock to Amazon and Blockbuster – has posted up SKU, price and release date information for Wii U in North America.

                            NintendoLife made the discovery, and reports that VPD has posted the following details on Wii U’s North American launch:

                            WIIU SYSTEM – GM – 11/11/12 $249.99
                            WIIU SYSTEM W/ – GM – 11/11/12 $299.99
                            WIIU SYSTEM 349 W/ – GM – 11/11/12 $349.99
                            Go Noles!!! >>----->

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                            • Holic
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6424

                              #209
                              Re: Wii U Discussion

                              I hope this is true, was expecting $299 or more.

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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #210
                                350. Really?

                                Whos buying this?

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                                Last edited by 23; 09-04-2012, 06:54 PM.

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