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  • daniel77733
    Banned
    • Nov 2011
    • 3544

    #20266
    Re: Xbox One

    Originally posted by ricky24
    The Coalition did to the best part of gears this time around.
    Gears 4 was my first Gears game that I played and completed so what did The Coalition do to the best part of Gears that pissed you off?

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    • ricky24
      MVP
      • Jan 2014
      • 4888

      #20267
      Re: Xbox One

      Originally posted by daniel77733
      Gears 4 was my first Gears game that I played and completed so what did The Coalition do to the best part of Gears that pissed you off?


      They ruined multiplayer, specifically horde mode by completely putting progression behind an RNG card system.

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      • ricky24
        MVP
        • Jan 2014
        • 4888

        #20268
        Re: Xbox One

        Originally posted by ODogg
        Well there are others like Ratchet & Clank, The Order, etc besides those two...there's a ton really. I can't think of any big ones really for Xbox One except Forza and Gears really...and Gears seems oriented to multiplayer more which I am not really a fan of as much anymore.



        But then I'm not as big of a believer as many that it's all about first party games that makes a system. If I was I wouldn't have just sold my Wii U heh.



        I enjoy Xbox One for the entire package as a whole system, and that is even outside of games (as a media hub).


        It's all opinion so I don't want to spend too much time but the original point centered around new ips which Rachet and clank is not and the order was mediocre.

        Gears has a great campaign and great multiplayer though. Game play wise.

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        • daniel77733
          Banned
          • Nov 2011
          • 3544

          #20269
          Re: Xbox One

          Originally posted by ricky24
          They ruined multiplayer, specifically horde mode by completely putting progression behind an RNG card system.
          So basically, they screwed up player progression which in turn screwed up Horde mode. Is that accurate?

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          • ricky24
            MVP
            • Jan 2014
            • 4888

            #20270
            Re: Xbox One

            Originally posted by daniel77733
            So basically, they screwed up player progression which in turn screwed up Horde mode. Is that accurate?


            Yes. The horde mode in gears 2 and 3 was much better progression wise. This installment was totally centered around a ridiculous grind for RNG packs. Very disappointing.

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            • daniel77733
              Banned
              • Nov 2011
              • 3544

              #20271
              Re: Xbox One

              Originally posted by ricky24
              It's all opinion so I don't want to spend too much time but the original point centered around new ips which Rachet and clank is not and the order was mediocre.

              Gears has a great campaign and great multiplayer though. Game play wise.
              Agree about Ratchet but disagree about The Order: 1886. Good 8/10 for me. Still hoping that Ready At Dawn's third game in development is the sequel. Also enjoyed Ryse: Son of Rome to give it an 8/10 as well. Majority disliked both games but not me. LOL.

              Gears of War 4 campaign is excellent. Game overall is excellent and will buy Gears of War 5 day one when the time comes.

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              • daniel77733
                Banned
                • Nov 2011
                • 3544

                #20272
                Re: Xbox One

                Originally posted by ricky24
                Yes. The horde mode in gears 2 and 3 was much better progression wise. This installment was totally centered around a ridiculous grind for RNG packs. Very disappointing.
                Okay. That definitely sucks. Even worse, since MP is usually the main focal point for Microsoft, you would think that would be the last thing they allow to be screwed up.

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                • ODogg
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 37953

                  #20273
                  Re: Xbox One

                  Microsoft really should bring back RYSE and make it a regular series, I enjoyed the heck out of that game and actually saw it through to the end, a rarity for me.
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                  • daniel77733
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 3544

                    #20274
                    Re: Xbox One

                    Originally posted by ODogg
                    Microsoft really should bring back RYSE and make it a regular series, I enjoyed the heck out of that game and actually saw it through to the end, a rarity for me.
                    Holy crap!!! We agree on something. The world must be coming to an end. LOL.

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                    • ricky24
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 4888

                      #20275
                      Re: Xbox One

                      I'd take Ryse 2 at scorpio launch. Game looked amazing as a launch title years ago. They could do some great things with it.

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                      • mestevo
                        Gooney Goo Goo
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 19556

                        #20276
                        Re: Xbox One

                        Yeah, i've seen The Order brought up here and elsewhere like it's one of the pillars of Sony's first party development, console wars bring out quite the revisionist history (at least Dan's been consistent in his relative love for that game).

                        The stuff w/ Scalebound doesn't bother me as I don't really get hyped for upcoming releases outside of Madden, console gaming is mostly third parties, EA Access and Play Anywhere for me. Sony declined to compete for my business, will be back for the PS5 where hopefully some of those things are rectified.

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                        • mgoblue
                          Go Wings!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 25477

                          #20277
                          Re: Xbox One

                          I wouldn't say MS gets cold feet or something and bails, I think cancellations happen in dev. Look at Doom 4, that got cancelled. \

                          I think it's better MS kills bad games vs. releases a horrible game that we all rip on, you know? They can't be trying to lose all that money without releasing a game....
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                          • daniel77733
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 3544

                            #20278
                            Re: Xbox One

                            Originally posted by mestevo
                            Yeah, i've seen The Order brought up here and elsewhere like it's one of the pillars of Sony's first party development, console wars bring out quite the revisionist history (at least Dan's been consistent in his relative love for that game).

                            The stuff w/ Scalebound doesn't bother me as I don't really get hyped for upcoming releases outside of Madden, console gaming is mostly third parties, EA Access and Play Anywhere for me. Sony declined to compete for my business, will be back for the PS5 where hopefully some of those things are rectified.
                            The Order: 1886 is a good but not great game. Visually, arguably the best looking game this gen. Great character models and animations. Excellent soundtrack that fits the game, good sound effects and voice acting. Story, characters, locale, atmosphere, immersion, etc. are also top notch.

                            Gameplay is the weakest aspect but not because it's bad. The gameplay itself is very good and the gunplay is very responsive and feels good. The plat-forming is simple like most games but good.

                            The problem was that there simply wasn't enough of it and the design decisions were bad. The boss fights and mini battles against the three werewolves at a time were QTE and dodge/shoot encounters which were very disappointing. The game was short. Took me around 14 hours on the hardest difficulty but I also take my time with most games, especially if it's linear. Several chapters were just cut-scenes. The stealth section was bad not because it was stealth but because you would fail and start over when detected. It should have just evolved into a gun fight. The black bars were also a bad design decision, especially at the top of the screen because it blocked your view of enemies in the distance when engaged in shootouts. Weapons were also underwhelming.

                            Everything else except for the gameplay design decisions were excellent and the game ended with a sequel clearly in mind. Basically, everything is pretty much excellent and if the few negatives were to be rectified, game could easily hit a 9/10 and be much more popular.

                            I look at Ryse in almost the exact same way. Biggest negative about Ryse was the gameplay in that it was very repetitive because it was constantly the same thing over and over. The counters being color coded to match the buttons on the Xbox One controller were awesome in my opinion but the fighting itself was unresponsive at times and the depth in the battle system was non-existent. Game was also short but I think it took me 10-12 hours to finish on the hardest difficulty.

                            Not to clutter this thread but both of these games have a lot in common and didn't deserve the low scores that they received by critics and gamers in my opinion. If anything, both are underrated and quite honestly, like with every game due to overexposure and overhype, both games were not seen as living up to either but in fairness, I think that's more on the gamers themselves and social media that do nothing but do that with nearly every single game.

                            Would love a sequel to BOTH of these games and yes, I still believe that 1887 is RAD's third game in development. Hope it turns out to be true.

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                            • greenegt
                              G-Men
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 4494

                              #20279
                              Re: Xbox One

                              Yeah, MS really needs to step up the diversity of their lineup. I miss the OG and early 360 eras, where they would take chances on new IP.

                              MS has two large and talented AAA studios (343 and Coalition) that they need to unshackle from Halo and Gears and let them take a crack at new IP. They also own some great Rare IP that could use a AAA budget.
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                              • daniel77733
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 3544

                                #20280
                                Re: Xbox One

                                Originally posted by mgoblue
                                I wouldn't say MS gets cold feet or something and bails, I think cancellations happen in dev. Look at Doom 4, that got cancelled. \

                                I think it's better MS kills bad games vs. releases a horrible game that we all rip on, you know? They can't be trying to lose all that money without releasing a game....
                                I agree in theory but the problem is that the reason the games turned out declining or going bad is a direct result of Microsoft constantly sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong. If you're paying (or in the last month plus, not paying) Platinum Games to develop the game, LET THEM DEVELOP IT. After all, that's why you're paying them to begin with.

                                The one main difference between Sony and Microsoft is that it's been said way too many times that Microsoft tends to interfere where as Sony rarely if ever does. One cancelled game and one shutdown studio this gen by Sony compared to at least three cancelled games and more than three studios being shut down completely by Microsoft.

                                Majority of Microsoft's games are usually multi-player online based but then they try to get the developer to squeeze in a single player campaign halfway through the game without giving them extra money or time to do so. This is more about other games but also has to do with Scalebound as it was originally shown and said to be a single player action/RPG but was later changed due to Microsoft involving themselves into the project.

                                I look at it this way - if you're going to pay a developer to make a game for you, once you come to terms and agree on all aspects, simply stay the hell out of the developer's way.

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