PlayStation 4 Discussion

[daniel77733]

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Scorpio has the 4K Blu Ray player and for 1TB, I see it being $400. Microsoft learned very quickly with releasing the base Xbox One for $500 with Kinect. That was a horrible decision. Don't see them making the same mistake twice. $400 for Scorpio with a 4K Blu Ray player will sell better than a $300 (price cut) PlayStation 4 Pro. Hell, the 4K Blu Ray player itself sells for almost as much by itself.

Difference between the PS4 and Pro is that the Pro is a minimal upgrade without a 4K Blu Ray player. Scorpio is as close to being a next gen console as you can get without actually being that when compared to the base Xbox One.

Because of the difference in specs, the probable introductory $400 price point and the fact that multi-platform games should look, run and play better on Scorpio is why I think it will outsell Pro head to head.

An interesting side battle will take place at the same time - the PlayStation 4 slim vs the Xbox One slim. Both of which I think will see price drops to $200 once Scorpio gets released and the domino affect takes place.

[ricky24]

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I know, I didn't say Scorpio exclusive. Xbox One exclusives just aren't there comparable to the PS4s lineup.

Not everyone agrees with that. There are a good amount of exclusives on each platform. I give the edge to Sony recently because of Horizon. It's not that cut and dry overall though.

Performance edge third party wise will go to Scorpio most likely and there will be exclusives coming for it. The third party thing will be big for a lot of people and exclusives are just a bonus.

[sbauer318]

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Also, for those who do play on PC, I think that a good amount would buy Scorpio just so they can avoid dealing with the Windows store and all the problems that majority say it has in regards to running and playing the Xbox One exclusives.

Highly unlikely they would do that just to play the games without using the Windows Store. Most will avoid the store and the game or wait for the third party developed game to come to Steam (Dead Rising, Quantum Break, etc..).

[ODogg]

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Scorpio has the 4K Blu Ray player and for 1TB, I see it being $400. Microsoft learned very quickly with releasing the base Xbox One for $500 with Kinect. That was a horrible decision. Don't see them making the same mistake twice. $400 for Scorpio with a 4K Blu Ray player will sell better than a $300 (price cut) PlayStation 4 Pro. Hell, the 4K Blu Ray player itself sells for almost as much by itself.

Difference between the PS4 and Pro is that the Pro is a minimal upgrade without a 4K Blu Ray player. Scorpio is as close to being a next gen console as you can get without actually being that when compared to the base Xbox One.

Because of the difference in specs, the probable introductory $400 price point and the fact that multi-platform games should look, run and play better on Scorpio is why I think it will outsell Pro head to head.

An interesting side battle will take place at the same time - the PlayStation 4 slim vs the Xbox One slim. Both of which I think will see price drops to $200 once Scorpio gets released and the domino affect takes place.

At this point though specs don't sell systems, games do. Most consumers really don't care, or care to know about, terraflops and memory speed, etc. And this is all assuming MS can get the price point to $400, from all analysts opinions, and the opinions of the folks over in the Xbox One thread, they tend to think it'll be $500, not $400.

Scorpio is going to be presented as an elite item, so the pricing will likely be higher if they do frame it that way. Of course it'll do much better at $400 if that is the case but I doubt it will be.

[ODogg]

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Not everyone agrees with that. There are a good amount of exclusives on each platform. I give the edge to Sony recently because of Horizon. It's not that cut and dry overall though.

Performance edge third party wise will go to Scorpio most likely and there will be exclusives coming for it. The third party thing will be big for a lot of people and exclusives are just a bonus.

PS4 is in twice as many homes as the Xbox One so it actually is pretty cut and dry that people are preferring the games that are on the Sony system over the MS one. Sure exclusives are not the only reason but people tend to pick their system based upon what they want to play so it stands to reason that what Sony is putting out is what people are preferring over what Microsoft has.

I don't think there will be any real noticeable edge when it comes to third party, multi-platform games. The developers are going to make two tiers of games, one for the Pro/Scorpio and another for the lower tier OG systems.

Do you really think Madden 18 for Scorpio is just going to destroy Madden 18 for the PS4 Pro? Nope...it'll be a small difference. They (the devs) just aren't going to spend a ton of time dolling up games for one particular system over another when they're releasing it on both platforms.

The real difference you're going to see in games in that sense is first party games. For example, Forza will just utterly kill it for Microsoft because they will maximize the game for that specific system and to try to make it so that it makes their competitor look bad.

So yeah, the exclusive and/or first party games are the games to spotlight and when it comes to those Sony has a huge edge over Microsoft.

[ricky24]

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PS4 is in twice as many homes as the Xbox One so it actually is pretty cut and dry that people are preferring the games that are on the Sony system over the MS one.

Acting like this is just because of exclusives is silly imo. What you are saying here doesn't mean that is cut and dry. To each their own though. I'm not trying to clutter this thread with an exclusives/sales debate.

[ubernoob]

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Acting like this is just because of exclusives is silly imo. What you are saying here doesn't mean that is cut and dry. To each their own though. I'm not trying to clutter this thread with an exclusives/sales debate.

Exclusives are the reason the gap stays as large as it is.

Hardware matters at release. Software matters years down the road.

[Artman22]

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I still say hardware was the biggest reason the PS4 was easily outselling the Xbox. Just look at the first 2 and almost 3 years of the PS4. Besides uncharted I can't remember crazy must have exclusives. All I remember was people saying the same third party game that was running 1080p or 900p on the PS4 was running 720p on the Xbox. These comparisons was done on almost every third party game and it definitely helped Sony tremendously. I personally went to the PS4 for all third party games because of the graphical difference. I maybe wrong but I don't think the gap would've been this big if Xbox had the stronger hardware IMO. Xbox selling their console more expensive than the completion hurt them as well. Not saying Sony's exclusives don't help because that's a big factor too but I don't remember too many must have exclusives for the first 2-3 years.


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[Smallville102001]

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Pretty bold claim, doubt it with the Pro only selling 238k in December.
Will depend on price imo.

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Where did you hear that? I have not seen a single thing about pro sales just over all ps4 sales.

[Smallville102001]

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One thing that hurt the pro was not including a 4k blu-ray player.


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Yeah it cost them a sale for me. If pro was 400-450 with 4k Blu-ray I would have gotten one because it really wouldn't cost much more then just buying a 4k player when you factor in trade value for ps4 normal. Also because of this whole pro type of thing if ps5 does come out next year I may not get one in till 2021 to make sure we don't get a ps5 pro or something because after ps4 getting a pro 3 years after ps4 an now some rumors about maybe even a ps4 pro with 4 Blu-ray being shown at this years E3 I kind of fell burned.

When the PS4 came out it barely had any good exclusives either. What helped the PS4 a lot was the entire power/resolution thing. Many Xbox gamers I knew left for the PS4 based on that alone. Not to mention that every media outlet kept mentioning the power gap all the time as well.


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Also ps4 was $100 cheaper and Sony brand name is much stronger because of the success of ps1-ps3.

[Smallville102001]

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Scorpio has the 4K Blu Ray player and for 1TB, I see it being $400. Microsoft learned very quickly with releasing the base Xbox One for $500 with Kinect. That was a horrible decision. Don't see them making the same mistake twice. $400 for Scorpio with a 4K Blu Ray player will sell better than a $300 (price cut) PlayStation 4 Pro. Hell, the 4K Blu Ray player itself sells for almost as much by itself.

Difference between the PS4 and Pro is that the Pro is a minimal upgrade without a 4K Blu Ray player. Scorpio is as close to being a next gen console as you can get without actually being that when compared to the base Xbox One.

Because of the difference in specs, the probable introductory $400 price point and the fact that multi-platform games should look, run and play better on Scorpio is why I think it will outsell Pro head to head.

An interesting side battle will take place at the same time - the PlayStation 4 slim vs the Xbox One slim. Both of which I think will see price drops to $200 once Scorpio gets released and the domino affect takes place.

I have to wonder how many people are even really ready for new systems in less it is something like the switch though because it will only be 4 years from xboxone to Scorpio and was not even at 3 when Scorpio was first talked about with how fast xboxone got price cut when it first came out I would think a lot of people would fell burned. Also from ps4 pro to Scorpio only being a year apart. I just don't think people are going to want new systems for at least a few more years.

[Smallville102001]

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Exclusives are the reason the gap stays as large as it is.

Hardware matters at release. Software matters years down the road.

Yeah Exclusives are what sale the systems because with out them there is really only the price point that really matters when it comes to what system some one should get. For example say 2 systems come out and they both have the same games but one cost 300 and the other cost 400 why would someone spent 100 more to just play the same games?

[mestevo]

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Yeah Exclusives are what sale the systems because with out them there is really only the price point that really matters when it comes to what system some one should get. For example say 2 systems come out and they both have the same games but one cost 300 and the other cost 400 why would someone spent 100 more to just play the same games?

I know, right? It's almost like maybe the actual comparison is a little more complex than that.

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[greenegt]

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I still say hardware was the biggest reason the PS4 was easily outselling the Xbox. Just look at the first 2 and almost 3 years of the PS4. Besides uncharted I can't remember crazy must have exclusives. All I remember was people saying the same third party game that was running 1080p or 900p on the PS4 was running 720p on the Xbox. These comparisons was done on almost every third party game and it definitely helped Sony tremendously. I personally went to the PS4 for all third party games because of the graphical difference. I maybe wrong but I don't think the gap would've been this big if Xbox had the stronger hardware IMO. Xbox selling their console more expensive than the completion hurt them as well. Not saying Sony's exclusives don't help because that's a big factor too but I don't remember too many must have exclusives for the first 2-3 years.


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You're right. In the first few years, the XB1 actually had an advantage in the number of released exclusives. What killed MS at the onset was that their value proposition was terrible compared to PS4, being $100 more expensive AND less powerful. It was a no-brainer for a lot of 360 fans to switch over to PS4. Now we're at the point in the gen where Sony's studio advantage (1st-party and defacto Japanese exclusives) is trouncing MS's exclusive offerings. So Sony won the initial sprint and is winning the marathon as this gen matures.

I like what MS is doing on the hardware/services side, but they definitely need to step up on the software front.

[Cowboy008]

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To those who know about electronics how often should I be cleaning my Pro? I've had it since launch and have never cleaned the fan. I do wipe the area that the Pro is on every day but I know that doesn't keep it 100% clean.