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  • peter42O
    MVP
    • May 2018
    • 1991

    #37591
    Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

    Originally posted by dickey1331
    Do you have a link supporting this. I haven’t seen anywhere where it’s only Sony games and not 3rd party games.

    No link but it's going to be the same as what Xbox One is. Haven't you noticed that you can't play games from Xbox or 360 unless they're on the BC list? It's because Microsoft has to pay the publisher for the rights to allow the game being played on another platform. The publishers who own the rights just aren't going to do it for free so the hardware manufacturers have to pay.

    If it wasn't like this, then you could just pop in any 360 game and it would work but unless it's on the list and you download the patch for it, you can't play it.

    Bottom line is that it simply comes down to money. Publishers who own IP's just arent going to let the hardware manufacturers do what they want with them without a nice payday.

    But if Sony can somehow pull that off where you can pop in a 2013 PS4 launch title like Battlefield 4, update it and play it, that would be freaking awesome but im not expecting that whatsoever.

    What I am expecting is the same as what Xbox One is now. All first party titles because the hardware manufacturer obviously owns the IP and monthly updates with new games added. The first party exception would be for Forza, Gran Turismo, MLB, etc. and others that require licensing fees. Those you either A) won't get at all or B) will get until the license expires and they pull it off the store for purchase.


    EDIT: The capability of "full backwards compatibility" means that every PS4 game can be played on PS5 but it still has to be added to the list. Does anyone truly believe that the EA's, Activision's, Ubisoft's, Take Two Interactive's, etc. of the world are just going to allow us access to their games without getting something in return? I don't but it would be awesome though. Of course, if that did actually happen, I would think that execs at Microsoft would be pissed off considering that they've paid publishers to have Xbox and Xbox 360 games added to the BC list for play on Xbox One.
    Last edited by peter42O; 10-04-2019, 12:19 PM.

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    • mestevo
      Gooney Goo Goo
      • Apr 2010
      • 19556

      #37592
      Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

      So you made it up and passed along as a fact. Isn't that part of why you were banned last time?

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      • peter42O
        MVP
        • May 2018
        • 1991

        #37593
        Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

        Originally posted by mestevo
        So you made it up and passed along as a fact. Isn't that part of why you were banned last time?

        It's NOT made up at all. I said I don't have links. It's been verified on podcasts by Rand Al Thor (who literally knows Phil Spencer personally and have contacts when it comes to Xbox and the industry itself) as well as Xbox podcasts like Dealer Gaming and others. Also, Easy Allies podcasts, Colin Moriarty, Michael Pachter, etc. I know it to be true because those who know have confirmed and verified it throughout the years and I have heard it repeatedly.

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        • joet6683
          Pro
          • Mar 2004
          • 865

          #37594
          Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

          Originally posted by peter42O
          It's NOT made up at all. I said I don't have links. It's been verified on podcasts by Rand Al Thor (who literally knows Phil Spencer personally and have contacts when it comes to Xbox and the industry itself) as well as Xbox podcasts like Dealer Gaming and others. Also, Easy Allies podcasts, Colin Moriarty, Michael Pachter, etc. I know it to be true because those who know have confirmed and verified it throughout the years and I have heard it repeatedly.
          The thing is xbox one uses emulation and requires whatever software modification they can do, essentially creating a re-release to run on software emulation.

          If they are announcing ps5 with ps4 backwards compatability, it would be odd to think they would plan on emulation from the get go that would require the same sort of process. Since the hardware this and next gen are more pc like and probably will be fairly similar, I'd imagine they will be able to play the games natively with no changes. It shouldnt require extra chips ala ps1 on ps2 and so on.

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          • peter42O
            MVP
            • May 2018
            • 1991

            #37595
            Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

            Originally posted by joet6683
            The thing is xbox one uses emulation and requires whatever software modification they can do, essentially creating a re-release to run on software emulation.

            If they are announcing ps5 with ps4 backwards compatability, it would be odd to think they would plan on emulation from the get go that would require the same sort of process. Since the hardware this and next gen are more pc like and probably will be fairly similar, I'd imagine they will be able to play the games natively with no changes. It shouldnt require extra chips ala ps1 on ps2 and so on.

            Maybe I misunderstood mestevo but im pretty sure he was questioning me saying that Microsoft has paid publishers to add games to the BC list due to the fact that Microsoft doesn't own the rights to the IP(s) of all those respective third party games.


            If he was questioning me in regards to PS5 not being able to run all PS4 games, I never said that. PS5 WILL be able to run every PS4 game just like Xbox One can literally run every Xbox and Xbox 360 game BUT all the games that Sony (and Microsoft for that matter) don't own the rights to the IP to will have to be paid for to the respective publisher that holds those rights.

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            • mestevo
              Gooney Goo Goo
              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #37596
              Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

              Originally posted by peter42O
              PlayStation 5 has already been confirmed to be backwards compatible with PlayStation 4 games but only for Sony published titles.
              This is what me and others were questioning, as you are stating it as fact.

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              • peter42O
                MVP
                • May 2018
                • 1991

                #37597
                Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                Originally posted by mestevo
                This is what me and others were questioning, as you are stating it as fact.

                Okay but I clarified what I said in my edited post -


                Originally posted by peter42O
                EDIT: The capability of "full backwards compatibility" means that every PS4 game can be played on PS5 but it still has to be added to the list. Does anyone truly believe that the EA's, Activision's, Ubisoft's, Take Two Interactive's, etc. of the world are just going to allow us access to their games without getting something in return? I don't but it would be awesome though. Of course, if that did actually happen, I would think that execs at Microsoft would be pissed off considering that they've paid publishers to have Xbox and Xbox 360 games added to the BC list for play on Xbox One.

                Here's a link of what Jim Ryan said after E3 -





                People are confusing compatibility with playability. You can carry over all your Sony owned purchases but in no way, shape or form does the article imply that you'll be able to do the same with say Activision or EA's games because Sony has literally no control over what those publishers do in that regard. Will their PS4 games be compatible with PS5? Absolutely but will you actually be able to carry them over? That's entirely up to the respective publisher which is what everyone seems to not understand.

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                • joet6683
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 865

                  #37598
                  Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                  Originally posted by peter42O
                  Okay but I clarified what I said in my edited post -





                  Here's a link of what Jim Ryan said after E3 -





                  People are confusing compatibility with playability. You can carry over all your Sony owned purchases but in no way, shape or form does the article imply that you'll be able to do the same with say Activision or EA's games because Sony has literally no control over what those publishers do in that regard. Will their PS4 games be compatible with PS5? Absolutely but will you actually be able to carry them over? That's entirely up to the respective publisher which is what everyone seems to not understand.
                  Unless they play the games natively and not via emulation. If it can directly play the game, it isn't up to the publisher. And given ps4 is very PC like, as almost certainly ps5 will, it is very likely it will be able to play ps4 games natively and not via emulation. PS2 slim started with emulation vs native on PS2 fat because they removed the PS1 chip. But PS4 isn't customized like PS3 cell engine, which means more than likely it should all be playable on PS5 if nothing changes drastically other than improved hardware. Just like PC.

                  And again if they are touting PS4 bc before anything has really been released on PS5, it would be an odd choice for that to be one of the early leaks if it is only select titles with emulation.

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                  • peter42O
                    MVP
                    • May 2018
                    • 1991

                    #37599
                    Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                    Originally posted by joet6683
                    Unless they play the games natively and not via emulation. If it can directly play the game, it isn't up to the publisher. And given ps4 is very PC like, as almost certainly ps5 will, it is very likely it will be able to play ps4 games natively and not via emulation. PS2 slim started with emulation vs native on PS2 fat because they removed the PS1 chip. But PS4 isn't customized like PS3 cell engine, which means more than likely it should all be playable on PS5 if nothing changes drastically other than improved hardware. Just like PC.

                    And again if they are touting PS4 bc before anything has really been released on PS5, it would be an odd choice for that to be one of the early leaks if it is only select titles with emulation.

                    Perhaps but Ryan nor anyone else from Sony has confirmed that it's all native which means that if it was, they would have said so. Also, it's not an odd choice at all because Sony has been asked a billion times about BC so to come out and say that yes, there will be PS4 BC on PS5 is a smart move because everyone already knows that Scarlett will be BC with Xbox One so not saying it would be worse than what Ryan did say.


                    In general though, what Ryan said is vague and not completely clear but he doesn't mention anything about third party games transferring over which if they were, he would clearly mention that because that would be huge for Sony and PS5. Not mentioning it tells me that it's not happening or they're still talking to all the publishers about getting on board with what they want to do.

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                    • RoyalBoyle78
                      Aka."Footballforever"
                      • May 2003
                      • 23918

                      #37600
                      Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                      Originally posted by peter42O
                      It's NOT made up at all. I said I don't have links. It's been verified on podcasts by Rand Al Thor (who literally knows Phil Spencer personally and have contacts when it comes to Xbox and the industry itself) as well as Xbox podcasts like Dealer Gaming and others. Also, Easy Allies podcasts, Colin Moriarty, Michael Pachter, etc. I know it to be true because those who know have confirmed and verified it throughout the years and I have heard it repeatedly.
                      I know Rand Al Thor well from twitter and a lot of Podcast he does on youtube, he has never said once who knows Phil Personally, not cool to put Rand out there like that.
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                      • peter42O
                        MVP
                        • May 2018
                        • 1991

                        #37601
                        Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                        Originally posted by RoyalBoyle78
                        I know Rand Al Thor well from twitter and a lot of Podcast he does on youtube, he has never said once who knows Phil Personally, not cool to put Rand out there like that.

                        Yes he has, repeatedly. I watch his podcast with Jez Corden every week. He's even played games online with Phil. Plus, he was on Microsoft's E3 2016 stage breaking his million gamerscore in Ori and was with Phil and others for photos afterwards which is what led to what it all is now.


                        EDIT: Just wanted to clarify this after reading it over. As I said in post #37630, Rand himself knows Phil Spencer and has said so numerous times on his podcast.
                        Last edited by peter42O; 10-06-2019, 09:40 AM.

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                        • jeremym480
                          Speak it into existence
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 18198

                          #37602
                          Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                          I just found out a out Facebook ending their integration with PS4. I was using a dummy FB account to upload all of my screenshots but I guess my only option now is to create a dummy Twitter account?

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                          • AUChase
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 19404

                            #37603
                            Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                            Originally posted by jeremym480
                            I just found out a out Facebook ending their integration with PS4. I was using a dummy FB account to upload all of my screenshots but I guess my only option now is to create a dummy Twitter account?

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                            You already have one of those.
                            Last edited by AUChase; 10-08-2019, 07:52 AM.

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                            • Fresh Tendrils
                              Strike Hard and Fade Away
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 36131

                              #37604
                              Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                              Originally posted by jeremym480
                              I just found out a out Facebook ending their integration with PS4. I was using a dummy FB account to upload all of my screenshots but I guess my only option now is to create a dummy Twitter account?

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                              Can you transfer them to a USB and upload them to FB?



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                              • jeremym480
                                Speak it into existence
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 18198

                                #37605
                                Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

                                Originally posted by AUChase
                                You already have one of those.

                                Oh, burn

                                But trust me y'all don't want be flooding your twitter timelines with 2K screenshots and box scores once I finally start my 2k20 MyLeague and Dynasty. I could do it were I can only view it but I don't want flood my twitter images with screenshots either. I guess I could do it, then delete them after. Sigh


                                Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                                Can you transfer them to a USB and upload them to FB?
                                I think so, but that requires too many steps. I just like to push a button and bam, the screenshots are there. #firstworldproblems
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