PlayStation 4 Discussion

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Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

As a 360 owner looking to switch to PS4, could someone tell me what the advantages (and disadvantages) of the PS4/PS+ are in relation to Xbox One/Live? (Basically, I want to know the pros and cons).

Also, I'm considering trading in my 360 towards a cheap PS3 in order to grab the FFX/X-2 remakes, along with GTA V and probably NCAA Football 13. Will one PS+ account work for both?

[bigbob]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

As a 360 owner looking to switch to PS4, could someone tell me what the advantages (and disadvantages) of the PS4/PS+ are in relation to Xbox One/Live? (Basically, I want to know the pros and cons).

Also, I'm considering trading in my 360 towards a cheap PS3 in order to grab the FFX/X-2 remakes, along with GTA V and probably NCAA Football 13. Will one PS+ account work for both?

The PS+ carries from the PS3, to the PS4.. and I think it also carries to the Vita, but don't quote me on that.

The primary advantage now, since Microsoft redid the majority of their policies, is the $100 price difference. On top of that, the PS4 is going to be more powerful and it seems that more developers are going to create their games on the PS4 (because it's easier) and than port them to the One (or so the rumors say).

[thaSLAB]

As a 360 owner looking to switch to PS4, could someone tell me what the advantages (and disadvantages) of the PS4/PS+ are in relation to Xbox One/Live? (Basically, I want to know the pros and cons).

Also, I'm considering trading in my 360 towards a cheap PS3 in order to grab the FFX/X-2 remakes, along with GTA V and probably NCAA Football 13. Will one PS+ account work for both?

To quickly answer the second part of your question: Yes, your PS+ membership is tied to your PSN ID and stretches across platforms (PS4, PS3, Vita, PSP) - and you'll receive content for each platform.

Also, if you have PS+ content on your console, any other user can use it as long as your membership is current.


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[Trapper700]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

As a 360 owner looking to switch to PS4, could someone tell me what the advantages (and disadvantages) of the PS4/PS+ are in relation to Xbox One/Live? (Basically, I want to know the pros and cons).

Also, I'm considering trading in my 360 towards a cheap PS3 in order to grab the FFX/X-2 remakes, along with GTA V and probably NCAA Football 13. Will one PS+ account work for both?

If you're going to be getting a PS3 as well, then you should definitely sign up for PS+. The one account will work for both PS3 and PS4, and you'll get a bunch of free games for the PS3. (Currently, the free games are Uncharted 3 Single Player [there's already a free version of multiplayer], XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Little Big Planet Karting, Saints Row: The Third, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Machinarium, Joe Danger 2, Labyrinth Legends, Knytt Underground, Pinball Arcade, Malicious and The Cave. You get 3+ PS3 games free per month as a subscriber to PS+, and if you started from when the service began, you'd have been given out about $2400 worth of free games.

Personally, there's currently a few things that we know that are making me lean heavily towards PS4 at launch:

1. the PS4 is more powerful (GPU is about 50% moreso, digital foundry's finding)
2. it's $100 cheaper
3. PS+ is an incredible value. Almost $2,400 worth of games given for free since it started, and that's just for North American PS+
4. Sony didn't try to slap our face with shady DRM practices and always-online, then backtrack and pretend like it never happened in the first place, hoping people would forget
5. When the PS4 eventually retires, just like with the PS3, it won't become completely useless because I would still be able to use it for basic video services like Netflix without paying for an additional subscription
6. I've got a Vita and playing PS4 games on it while anywhere in my house is going to be pretty sweet. I already do this with the few PS3 games that support it like Tokyo Jungle.
7. the Kinect isn't bundled in with the PS4, if that's not your kind of thing
8. Sony's isn't treating Indie Devs like second class citizens
9. Sony has Mark Cerny and Microsoft doesn't

I also enjoy the Sony exclusives more, and I think their first party studios are much better than Microsoft's.

SCE Japan (including Team ICO & Project Siren) - Ape Escape, Siren, LocoRoco, Patapon, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Tokyo Jungle, The Last Guardian?, Knack
Naughty Dog - Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter, Uncharted, The Last of Us
SCE Santa Monica - God of War
SCE San Diego - MLB: The Show
Sucker Punch - Sly Cooper, Infamous
SCE Bend - Syphon Filter, Resistance: Retribution, Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Guerrilla - Killzone
Evolution Studios - Motorstorm, World Rally Championship
Media Molecule - Little Big Planet

Also, the Xbox one's dashboard was designed with advertising in mind. It's one thing i hated about the 360. You're paying for a gold subscription and you still have to see paid ads.

[Trapper700]

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The PS+ carries from the PS3, to the PS4.. and I think it also carries to the Vita, but don't quote me on that.

The primary advantage now, since Microsoft redid the majority of their policies, is the $100 price difference. On top of that, the PS4 is going to be more powerful and it seems that more developers are going to create their games on the PS4 (because it's easier) and than port them to the One (or so the rumors say).

This part is sort of discussed in Mark Cerny's speech up above. He talks about in the course of meeting with 30 different third party developers, the most requested feature was to specifically not have to deal with separate pools of ram.

[jacory12]

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A guy over at reddit made a post talking about the power difference between the PS4 and xbox one. Pretty much just solidified my purchase. Take a look:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/commen..._ps4_xbox_one/

[Boltman]

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A guy over at reddit made a post talking about the power difference between the PS4 and xbox one. Pretty much just solidified my purchase. Take a look:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/commen..._ps4_xbox_one/

I'm getting both consoles, but I'm definitely reading as much as I can to swing me one direction or the other so as to just initially buy only one console.

So help me out here (not necessarily you, but anyone with a better understanding than I on all these numbers being thrown around).

I read the reddit link from top to bottom as well as a few other links from the XBone thread...

I understand that the PS4 is more powerful than the XBone. But here is my question because I haven't read it anywhere...

How much of the CPU/GPU is reserved for the system on PS4?

I still mainly lean towards the XBone because of the most important aspect to me, the social aspect.

I can easily move over my Gamertag & friends list to the XBone, I hardly play my PS3 and although my friends list is decent on it, I simply don't play very often (if at all) with most of those people. On my 360 I play with most of friends on a daily basis and the majority of them are getting an XBone (from the Live parties we are usually in, this is what I'm hearing).

I really want to simply have both consoles and see where it goes, but I definitely don't want to be paying for two different console online subscription services. I'd rather do what I'm doing now, pay for the Gold family plan on the 360 while using the free service on the PS3.

I'm kinda all over the place lol, I really wanted that question answered but then I go into a semi-rant (mostly for myself I admit hehe) about why I'm leaning towards the XBone first.

Oh man, all these article links in both these threads (this & XBone thread) are literally driving me insane.

Decisions decisions...

My apologies if I'm all over the place and not too topical here.

[bigbob]

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At the time of the announcements, Sony left 5GB of the 8GB GDDR to the Developers, while the One left 3GB of their 8GB DDR to the Developers. They (Microsoft) say that "We have the Cloud, so it'll make it even more powerful", but don't state the fact that the PS4 can use the Cloud as well, if need be.

[Trapper700]

At the time of the announcements, Sony left 5GB of the 8GB GDDR to the Developers, while the One left 3GB of their 8GB DDR to the Developers. They (Microsoft) say that "We have the Cloud, so it'll make it even more powerful", but don't state the fact that the PS4 can use the Cloud as well, if need be.

Actually, the PS4 is only reserving 1gb of the 8gb GDDR5 RAM for the OS/streaming functions, leaving 7gb for games. They were initially planning to reserve 512mb before they announced in February that the console would have 8gb GDDR5instead of 4gb.

The xbone will be reserving 3gb of DDR3 RAM for the OS/kinect/streaming, so it will have 5gb available for games.

[p_rushing]

Re: PlayStation 4 Discussion

At the time of the announcements, Sony left 5GB of the 8GB GDDR to the Developers, while the One left 3GB of their 8GB DDR to the Developers. They (Microsoft) say that "We have the Cloud, so it'll make it even more powerful", but don't state the fact that the PS4 can use the Cloud as well, if need be.

That is wrong.

Xbox has 5GB of RAM for games
PS4 has 7GB of RAM for games

[ffaacc03]

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What I am trying to say is that since you are getting both, even if eventually, it makes more logic to go the route of the system that fits you more, the one where you will get a better experience, despite its architecture. Given how important it seems to be the people you play online with, then the first one should be the ONE ... using the same logic, for me tho, is the PS4.

Now, the differences in specs, architecture and potential performance are known, also the differences when games are ported from one system to another ... what is unknown tho, is how much more discernable for the players would this be, be it with 3rd party or 1st party games.

P.S:
By the way, unlike the PS3, the PS4 online gaming is now only possible with PS+, so it is not free (thus all other side features are allowed, i.e. netflix) ... then again, PS+ brings much more benefits than just allowing online gaming.

[Boltman]

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One question tho, how does this ...



Relates to this ? ...

That's why I added this at the bottom...

I'm kinda all over the place lol, I really wanted that question answered but then I go into a semi-rant (mostly for myself I admit hehe) about why I'm leaning towards the XBone first.

Oh man, all these article links in both these threads (this & XBone thread) are literally driving me insane.

Decisions decisions...

My apologies if I'm all over the place and not too topical here.

To answer your question directly, it doesn't.

[bigbob]

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That's why I said at the time of announcements.

[Trapper700]

I'm getting both consoles, but I'm definitely reading as much as I can to swing me one direction or the other so as to just initially buy only one console.

So help me out here (not necessarily you, but anyone with a better understanding than I on all these numbers being thrown around).

I read the reddit link from top to bottom as well as a few other links from the XBone thread...

I understand that the PS4 is more powerful than the XBone. But here is my question because I haven't read it anywhere...

How much of the CPU/GPU is reserved for the system on PS4?

I still mainly lean towards the XBone because of the most important aspect to me, the social aspect.

I can easily move over my Gamertag & friends list to the XBone, I hardly play my PS3 and although my friends list is decent on it, I simply don't play very often (if at all) with most of those people. On my 360 I play with most of friends on a daily basis and the majority of them are getting an XBone (from the Live parties we are usually in, this is what I'm hearing).

I really want to simply have both consoles and see where it goes, but I definitely don't want to be paying for two different console online subscription services. I'd rather do what I'm doing now, pay for the Gold family plan on the 360 while using the free service on the PS3.

I'm kinda all over the place lol, I really wanted that question answered but then I go into a semi-rant (mostly for myself I admit hehe) about why I'm leaning towards the XBone first.

Oh man, all these article links in both these threads (this & XBone thread) are literally driving me insane.

Decisions decisions...

My apologies if I'm all over the place and not too topical here.

What, specifically, about the social aspects is making you lean towards xbox one? If its primarily the fact that most of your friends will be playing it online, then you should go with that. Thats something that getting a ps4 won't fix. If it's something else, what is it? Maybe Sony mentioned that they would fix what was bothering you before.

As for the CPU/GPU question, some of it was discussed above.

Compute Units (12 vs 18), ROPS (16 vs 32), and 5GB DDR3 vs 7GB GDDR5 (both have 8gb, but the xbone OS takes up 3gb, while the PS4's only uses 1gb). Same architecture (AMD Radeon GCN) and same frequency (800mhz). Although, the recent report about bandwidth in the xbox one thread makes me think that the xbox one could possibly be downclocked to 750mhz, bringing its raw performance to 1.0-1.1tflops (instead of 1.2) compared to the ps4's 1.8 tflops.

Though with lowest common denominator, this all might not be too relevant on multiplatform games, but the PS4 has a lot more potential if devs want to take advantage of it (which I assume 1st party devs will). Probably a 50-60% gpu performance advantage to the PS4.

Sony is also allowing developers to use a certain number of the compute units (4?) for stuff that benefits from parallel processing. It's to alleviate stress from the rather anemic CPU.

Xbone's 8 core processor will only be able to use 6 of its 8 cores for actual games, since 2 of them are being reserved for the OS, Kinect and the Game Streaming stuff, while Sony has a separate dedicated chip reserved for that stuff on the PS4, leaving all 8 cores free for games.

[Trapper700]

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Here's an older article from back in April, where Mark Cerny discusses the unique aspects of the PS4 hardware. Some of it was covered in the keynote the other day, but some of it might be news to those that haven't read it.

That situation led directly to the PS4's design philosophy: "The hope with PlayStation 4 was to have a powerful architecture, but also an architecture that would be a very familiar architecture in many ways."

In fact, this is something Cerny returned to again and again during the conversation. "We want to make sure that the hardware is easy to use. And so having the familiar CPU and the familiar GPU definitely makes it easier to use," he said.
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In fact, said Cerny, when he toured development studios asking what they wanted from the PlayStation 4, the "largest piece of feedback that we got is they wanted unified memory."
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Cerny is convinced that in the coming years, developers will want to use the GPU for more than pushing graphics -- and believes he has determined a flexible and powerful solution to giving that to them. "The vision is using the GPU for graphics and compute simultaneously," he said. "Our belief is that by the middle of the PlayStation 4 console lifetime, asynchronous compute is a very large and important part of games technology."

Cerny envisions "a dozen programs running simultaneously on that GPU" -- using it to "perform physics computations, to perform collision calculations, to do ray tracing for audio."
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Another thing the PlayStation 4 team did to increase the flexibility of the console is to put many of its basic functions on dedicated units on the board -- that way, you don't have to allocate resources to handling these things.