PlayStation 4 Discussion

[mestevo]

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The issue is you're speaking in absolutes and it's absolutely not true that "no one buys desktops for the home".

Declining industry? Sure. But unless you're ready to cite some facts from the future, a lot of people are buying to justify the industry shipping 90 million units Q4 (thanks for the Google search!) - and not just businesses

But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of doom and gloom posts, one analyst says the PC industry will go down 4% this year, after down 3% last year... so from 352.75 million unit forecast in 2012 to a meager 338.34 million. Yikes!

Your own links cite task infringement, and elongation of the replacement cycle, but not 'nobody buts home PCs anymore'.

Now that that's out of the way, how about that PS4?

[CubsHOF]

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This is not true at all.

I can play Left 4 Dead 2 on my PC, shut the game down, then open a excel spread sheet and do work. I can finish playing ARMA 2 then turn around open up Vegas pro and edit my recorded footage. You can't do these things on a console. A desk top home PC is just as common today as it has ever been. Sure laptops, tablets, and smart devices have their place but to say desktop PC's are not common anymore is not true.

Now on that note, I will agree a standard family that does not do anything computer related will stick to a simple laptop or something. But if it is a family that does thing such as manage quick books, using spread sheets, writing papers, etc. You will find a desktop PC 99% of the time in the house. The detachable keyboard is a necessity when it comes to comfort and working efficiently.

I am sorry, but it's just not true we have the numbers that are published from public computer manufacturers to say otherwise. Every quarter over the last decade desktop PCs have lost significant market share to laptops and now to tablets and smartphones. Every PC maker has to publish their sales every quarter there is no getting around that no matter what you would like to be the case. Today traditional desktops do not even represent 15% of the entire home market, laptops are still by far the king. This should not be news to anyone especially people who are up on the latest tech.

Yes, you need a full OS like Windows to do real Office work, video editing, Quickbooks, etc. Again, we have the numbers most of the time that type of work is done on a laptop almost never is it still done on a desktop. Even more importantly it is almost never done on a traditional desktop PC that could be transformed into a gaming PC so we can actually compare the price of just buying a GPU to the cost of a console, which was the original topic at hand that has been taken wildly off course by a bunch of stuff that is jsut empirically false.

In any case, again you did not correctly read my comment about the most common tasks that users do on computing devices now being able to be done on consoles and tablets. Again, use Google for this get real data instead of making stuff up. All most all of a computer users time is used on web browsing, watching video, playing games, and social networking over 90% of it and all of that can be done on non-traditional forms of computers. The remaining 10% can still be done on laptops. Excel, video editing, Quickbooks are nowhere near the most common tasks. You have to be a very specialized user to need a system for that type of stuff these days.

As for form factor, there is a major reason gaming PCs are so large they have to be! This is basic physics and laws of technology stuff. If they could shrink CPUs and GPUs down to the size of a console and get the power of a super gaming PC it would cost nearly four times that of a traditional PC. That is why laptop and HDCP GPUs cost much more than desktop GPUs and offer far less performance.

Again, none of this should have been necessary. I am not some kind of anti-PC gamer I have a PC rig of my own and upgrade it often. I do not find any gaming platform superior, they all have strengths and weaknesses. Right now PCs are far more superior because the 360 and PS3 are such ancient tech. The PS4 will change the game considerably, but there will be games that are always superior on PC because of the types of tools and access it allows for. Let us not muddy the waters and make up non-sense to try to prove a point that does not exist especially when it flies so dramatically in the face of reality that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can do a simple Google search and find thousands of references of how wrong it is that the traditional desktop PC market for the home has not been dead for years and is declining even further. We have a good thread going here, don't pollute it with junk.

[RJTurneR]

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To clarify, the Small Form Factor PC was more in relation to the point of Desktop PC's being non-existent. To an extent, they can be used play low end games, just don't expect miracles.

Generally speaking, sales may be down, but you will still find a desktop PC it quite a lot of homes, new or not. Usually, a combo of laptops and desktop PC's are the normal.

The laptop has become the more popular choice it terms of home computing, I wouldn't go as far as 'replacement' yet. But as I said, laptops have a pretty short life span, and in essence people may find themselves spending more money on fixing or buying a new laptop. This reason alone is why desktops PC's are still common.

[Phobia]

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Guys, you are welcome to your own opinions and not your own facts. I come on and only cite facts in my discussion and I expect the same of you. If you want to make stuff up, don't bother. First, desktop PC sales are in serious decline. The market is essentially non-existent for home use, I find it surprising that anyone who knows anything about computers would try to refute this it is a trend that has been going on for a decade and has only been growing further. All most all of the desktops current sold are sold to businesses leaving almost nothing sold to the home market. If you do not all ready know that the desktop has been entirely replaced by other forms of computing in the home, I doubt any form of reasoning or official statistics can convince you to keep up with the latest trends anyway. I can cite nearly 1000 articles of statistics, but if you guys are all about making things up and not interesting in facts then why bother if you really care you know how to use Google.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29648

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PC-...ple,19071.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025926/intel-exits-the-desktop-motherboard-business-to-focus-on-new-form-factors.html

Additionally, the small form factor desktops you talk about being the size of consoles are not proper for PC gaming. You can not put a full sized gaming GPU inside a HDPC-desktop or upgrade the components which negates both the advantages of a desktop in the first place.

This debate is just that a debate, the statistics on the topic are all subjective. On one hand you have the rising tablet market which is taking a share, yet the desktop market is not losing all this steam it is falling off the map. You can find stats on this also. Now as far as the links you provide.

1) This is basically what my topic stands on that it is a trend and will not completely remove desktops from the marketplace, business or home.
2) This article basically states that the desktop market has not seen a decrease yet, but COULD.
3) Intel was never a player in the motherboard market. This has always been a 3rd party market when it comes to mobo, so them choosing to go a different routes does not really make any kind of point.

You can find articles written that say the desktop market is still strong and losing very little steam when compared to the tablet or laptop market.

Now I don't think me or RJ are saying that tablets are not gaining a foothold in house holds. I think we are both saying that desktops still are common place in most homes. Now this is where the data can be subjective, because one home might have a desktop PC that lasts 10 years and is used in that manner for the needs it serves. That same house hold might go through 3 or 4 laptops or tablets in that same period due to how those are constructed to last and upgrade. So the market data looks in favor of tablets and laptops, which it is to a degree. The reasons are just slightly different than the perspective being painted.



Now I do see smaller more user friendly PC's taking some center stage and pushing large desktops out at some point. That just has not happened yet and laptops & portables won't be the reason for it either.

Bottom line is PC desktop gaming will remain and I don't see the challenge in that. Hell if anything consoles & multimedia centers have grown closer and closer to resembling desktop PCs

[bigeastbumrush]

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So...about that PS4....

[RJTurneR]

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Yeah, back to what we are waiting for.

[Skyboxer]

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While I also can't wait to see some sports on this, its still the developer and not the console that matters.
Will we finally see ol/dl interaction?
True "not looking so no reaction to the ball"?
These types of things are what I really want to see and not just a prettier version of what we already have.

Need to get the full scoop on pricing also as I can only go 1 system.... at the start anyways....

[p_rushing]

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While I also can't wait to see some sports on this, its still the developer and not the console that matters.

If they are both equal then yes it doesn't matter. As we saw last time though, it does matter. The 720 also is looking to do other things, so dev teams may not have an equal set of resources to use.

PS4 and 720 will be very similar, but the memory could be the part that sets them apart. PS4 has the lead on all the rumored specs except the GPU. 720 might have a newer GPU.

[Skyboxer]

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If they are both equal then yes it doesn't matter. As we saw last time though, it does matter. The 720 also is looking to do other things, so dev teams may not have an equal set of resources to use.

PS4 and 720 will be very similar, but the memory could be the part that sets them apart. PS4 has the lead on all the rumored specs except the GPU. 720 might have a newer GPU.

My point is no matter what is available to the developers, the developers have to make use of them. Not mentioning any but some are seriously better at programming than others ...it seems

Its taken a full gen and I still believe what we've received in some sports titles are not close to what we could have had by now.

Time will tell but lets hope we aren't 3 or more years into this next gen before seeing real improvements.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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So what titles y'all wanna see around or after release ?

NBA 2k14
UFC 4
Resistance 4
GTA 5

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Not looking forward to any sports game this year unless they clearly state that it isn't just some graphical upgraded port.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Not looking forward to any sports game this year unless they clearly state that it isn't just some graphical upgraded port.

I think we always get that the first year. Actual changes don't come til the next year.

But at the same time no sports release means no day 1 buy for me.

[AUChase]

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I'm not shelling out 500 for annoy her console.

Those days of being dumb and young are over.

299-350 yes but not 500.

I don't think it has anything to do with being dumb and young, you can't justify the purchase. I can think of a lot of things that can be purchased for $500 that provide a lot less entertainment. Everyone is different.

So...about that PS4....

Forreal.

No one cares about that other riff raff

[Knight165]

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I think we always get that the first year. Actual changes don't come til the next year.

But at the same time no sports release means no day 1 buy for me.

I know of one sports title that won't be true for.
Can't speak for the others though.

M.K.
Knight165

[ghettogeeksta]

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So what titles y'all wanna see around or after release ?

NBA 2k14
UFC 4
Resistance 4
GTA 5

MGS Ground Zeros (I'm still hoping this is a launch title they will show at E3)

Deep Down this was the best looking game at the PS4 Event imo, it looked sick!

GTA 5 for PS4 (since PS3 games wont run on PS4 and the GaiKai streaming service seeming to be a ways out for streaming PS 1,2,& 3 games, I wonder if it will be on PS4 right away?)

I'm not really looking forward for any sports titles on PS4 this year, Madden 06 for Xbox360 scared me. Maybe Madden or NBA 2K will surprise me though, hopefully they have been planning for the next-gen consoles for a while now.