PC or Next Gen Console?

[Wikedjug]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

Even if it is a next gen port you will still be fine with a mid level rig. People forget that the current gen consoles are equivilent to a low end pc. A perfect example is NBA 2K, with all the mods that are available, 2k13 already looks like next gen 2k14. The next gen systems arent really about huge leaps in graphics, they are more about giving developers more space to add more interactive content. Take Battlefield 4 for example,one of their big talking points from the footage they showed was the ability to bring down entire buildings, more open spaces, better particle effects. They just simply didnt have the space to pull that off on the current consoles. Another example Skyrim, check out nexusmods.com and tell me that skyrim doesnt look next gen with some of the mods that are available on pc. And you dont need a high end "gaming" pc to pull it off

Yes, next gen consoles are equivelent to a lower side of the mid end pc gaming rig. What you don't take into account however is the ps4/xb1 games are optimized on ONE set of hardware 100% great optimization. PC optimization is mostly ****, especially ubisoft games. i7 3770k and a gtx 780 I still only get 30 fps at some points in AC3, all this just because it runs at 1080p and doesn't have pop in but otherwise is identical to the 360 version.

Find me a pc game that could pull of the graphics of Uncharted/Halo4/GTAV/LastofUS on a system with 524 mb of ram, a graphics card equivalent to the GTX 7800, and a 1 ghz tri core processor.

So never, ever compare hardware across the board from a pc to console standpoint, because PC will never even get 10% of the optimization that consoles get.

BF4 is running at 900p, almost full max settings and 60 fps on the ps4 at trade shows. Show me a low end gaming pc that will pull that off, none will come close.

For PC gaming to be superior this early in a new console generation you really need a beefy pc, and even then the difference could be negligible on most crappy ports. It won't be til the later half of the ps4 life cycle we start to see mid range gaming pcs clearly out performing it.

[mrprice33]

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Yes, next gen consoles are equivelent to a lower side of the mid end pc gaming rig. What you don't take into account however is the ps4/xb1 games are optimized on ONE set of hardware 100% great optimization. PC optimization is mostly ****, especially ubisoft games. i7 3770k and a gtx 780 I still only get 30 fps at some points in AC3, all this just because it runs at 1080p and doesn't have pop in but otherwise is identical to the 360 version.

Find me a pc game that could pull of the graphics of Uncharted/Halo4/GTAV/LastofUS on a system with 524 mb of ram, a graphics card equivalent to the GTX 7800, and a 1 ghz tri core processor.

So never, ever compare hardware across the board from a pc to console standpoint, because PC will never even get 10% of the optimization that consoles get.

BF4 is running at 900p, almost full max settings and 60 fps on the ps4 at trade shows. Show me a low end gaming pc that will pull that off, none will come close.

For PC gaming to be superior this early in a new console generation you really need a beefy pc, and even then the difference could be negligible on most crappy ports. It won't be til the later half of the ps4 life cycle we start to see mid range gaming pcs clearly out performing it.

Killed it. A+ post

[ubernoob]

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BF4 is running at 900p, almost full max settings and 60 fps on the ps4 at trade shows. Show me a low end gaming pc that will pull that off, none will come close.

900p is nowhere near the quality 1080p, and "almost full max settings" on a console won't come close to touching what "almost full max settings" on a PC are.

Look at what we've seen from BF4. Crappy visual quality. ~900p@60fps, almost full max settings? Yes. But those max settings are crap. (NB: I'm sure this will be fixed by release.)

Even if it is 900p on the PS4 at release, you will still have to deal with scaling which makes it look pretty cruddy (to me, personally.)

The argument goes both ways, and there's no way around it. Games developed for PC will always look better. Games developed for consoles will always (until some paradigm shift happens) be better optimized. Windows is meant to be a catch-all operating system. The PS3/X360 have (what amounts to virtually) no formal operating systems and are meant to mainly do one thing, and one thing only. Without a game running right now, I have 91 processes running in Windows, according to task manager.

Maybe the SteamOS will change some of this, who knows. Like has been said though, even a straight next gen port will be fine. They're using some pretty low-to-mid level equivalent parts in there.

[Wikedjug]

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900p is nowhere near the quality 1080p, and "almost full max settings" on a console won't come close to touching what "almost full max settings" on a PC are.

Look at what we've seen from BF4. Crappy visual quality. ~900p@60fps, almost full max settings? Yes. But those max settings are crap. (NB: I'm sure this will be fixed by release.)

Even if it is 900p on the PS4 at release, you will still have to deal with scaling which makes it look pretty cruddy (to me, personally.)

The argument goes both ways, and there's no way around it. Games developed for PC will always look better. Games developed for consoles will always (until some paradigm shift happens) be better optimized. Windows is meant to be a catch-all operating system. The PS3/X360 have (what amounts to virtually) no formal operating systems and are meant to mainly do one thing, and one thing only. Without a game running right now, I have 91 processes running in Windows, according to task manager.

Maybe the SteamOS will change some of this, who knows. Like has been said though, even a straight next gen port will be fine. They're using some pretty low-to-mid level equivalent parts in there.

Actually the people that have played BF4 at the trade shows have said there is almost zero difference in the pc version and ps4 version of BF4 outside of the resolution difference. Also 900p to 1080p is pretty negligible tbh, if you want to even bring up the resolutions you should be at minimum boasting that high end pcs will be running it at 1440p or better. If you waste money building a high end pc to only still play at 1080p, you could of built a mid range to do the same job.

BF4 is likely only running at 900p on the ps4 due to them trying to rush out a release across 5 platforms. Killzone Shadowfall looks more impressive then it in areas and is running at 1080p 60 fps, but they only had to concentrate on one version for launch so major difference.

Lastly what are these games built for PC that are optimized well for it?

Crysis
Battlefield
Valve games
MMOs(which don't look great graphically anyways)
Blizzard games(same as above)
RTS(same as above)

I miss anything? Yep, pretty sure 90% of the rest is console ports.

[mrprice33]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

Actually the people that have played BF4 at the trade shows have said there is almost zero difference in the pc version and ps4 version of BF4 outside of the resolution difference. Also 900p to 1080p is pretty negligible tbh, if you want to even bring up the resolutions you should be at minimum boasting that high end pcs will be running it at 1440p or better. If you waste money building a high end pc to only still play at 1080p, you could of built a mid range to do the same job.

BF4 is likely only running at 900p on the ps4 due to them trying to rush out a release across 5 platforms. Killzone Shadowfall looks more impressive then it in areas and is running at 1080p 60 fps, but they only had to concentrate on one version for launch so major difference.

Lastly what are these games built for PC that are optimized well for it?

Crysis
Battlefield
Valve games
MMOs(which don't look great graphically anyways)
Blizzard games(same as above)
RTS(same as above)

I miss anything? Yep, pretty sure 90% of the rest is console ports.

Go ahead and remove Crysis. Those games are horribly optimized.

[goh]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

I don't think they sell PCs with 524MB of RAM anymore.

[KMRblue1027]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

I don't think they sell PCs with 524MB of RAM anymore.

And they're about to stop selling consoles with 512MB of RAM too. Not sure what you're trying to get at here.

[24]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

PC. Always go the PC route. A good majority of games that are out on the consoles are on PC. Not to mention that you get more for your money with a PC. You don't have to buy a new one for the next generation of games. You can just upgrade a few parts. More importantly you have so many more customization options because you can mod things.

[mrprice33]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

PC. Always go the PC route. A good majority of games that are out on the consoles are on PC. Not to mention that you get more for your money with a PC. You don't have to buy a new one for the next generation of games. You can just upgrade a few parts. More importantly you have so many more customization options because you can mod things.

Except those "few parts" cost as much as a console. My 7970 cost me $400 last year.

[tbennett54]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

If you are a big football fan, I would get a next gen console. If not, by all means build a PC

[K0ZZ]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

Depends.

Honestly I feel like online gaming is much easier with a system than a PC (personal opinion) and I tend to use my PS3 for that and sports games.

Most other things I have my computer for and if you know where to look, it really isn't too hard to find a deal depending on your computer know-how. If you're intelligent with building from the ground up you can usually find a nice source of equipment between eBay, Newegg, Amazon and BB Marketplace.

I personally bought my x51 off of eBay for $499 and got a free Tactx keyboard with it. (Dell sells for about $75)

(The x51 had a GTX640, i7, 6 GB ram, 1 TB HDD, smaller PSU (cant remember wattage exactly) and a DVD drive.)

Personal opinion, if you can jump for it, go with a PS4 and a PC, since most if not all XB1 exclusives (non-kinect) usually get a PC title.

Depending on what your play time is focused on also is a factor.

[goh]

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And they're about to stop selling consoles with 512MB of RAM too. Not sure what you're trying to get at here.

Someone said "Find me a pc game that could pull of the graphics of Uncharted/Halo4/GTAV/LastofUS on a system with 524 mb of ram, a graphics card equivalent to the GTX 7800, and a 1 ghz tri core processor." and I'm saying I don't think you'd be able to buy a PC with that little ammount of RAM.

Except those "few parts" cost as much as a console. My 7970 cost me $400 last year.

Which was already made up by having free online if you've had XBL gold the last 7 years. Standard $60 price x 7 = $420. Or as I already went over,the much cheaper game prices where you should be saving at least $10 a game,even if you do buy one of the few $60 PC games you're still saving the tax.

[goh]

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Welp...

The visual capability of Xbox One has been going completely downhill in the last couple of months, at least Forza is still 1080p/60fps (for now). So what does it mean? How could Xbox One demo Ryse with a 150k tri count at E3 (1080p/60) with stable Frame Rates and now suddenly have problems with an 85k tri character at 900p? The answer is simple. Ryse never ran on the Xbox One. Ryse ran on PCs and undoubtedly Microsoft thought they could replicate the performance on the Xbox One.

http://wccftech.com/ryse-downgrades-show-real-power-xbox-one-ryse-ran-pc-e3/

[mgoblue678]

Re: PC or Next Gen Console?

I have been contemplating this question as well. Currently have a PS4 preordered, but have been thinking about cancelling it. I would defiantly pick one up at some point due to the exclusives, but have been thinking about building a PC in the meantime.

Unfortunately, money is kind of tight for me right now so I would only be looking at modest type of PC build ($600-750, need a monitor as well). Specifically, I have been looking at this build that I saw on another site:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1NDKe

Would this build or one for a similar price outperform the next gen systems by a decent margin? That would make spending the extra $ worth it to me, otherwise I will keep the PS4 preorder.

[mrprice33]

PC or Next Gen Console?

The big thing you have to keep in mind is that consoles typically do more with less than PCs since the hardware is fixed and therefore easier to optimize software for.

So even if your build is comparable in specs, it won't last the whole generation.

But if you do go with that build remove the cd/DVD and put that money towards a better power supply.