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  • ObiWanJenkins

    #31
    Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

    Originally posted by mgoblue
    ahhh, the joys of a PC vs. Mac battle...fun fun fun, it should be added to the list of conversation topics rarely brought up, like politics, religion, etc...people are so dead set in their ways (on both sides) that nothing's gonna change
    LOL. I can't pick a single OS to love and be faithful too. I know Windows the best, so it's the easiest to use, but I love the OSX GUI and the Mac way of handling video. Linux is my least favorite, but only because of the "elitist" Linux users that refuse to help on stupid problems. Playing around with it for a couple of years, I've become fairly proficient, and I love the fact that almost everything is free.

    As far as the hardware itself, I am, and always will be, a PC guy because of the customization aspect and the lower price points for equipment.

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    • ESPNdeportes
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 3459

      #32
      Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

      Originally posted by ObiWanJenkins
      Superior specs do not equal value. A Windows PC is still the best value for the money. You ignore the problem with all-in-one hardware. You've ignored the customization aspects of a PC. You've spoken nothing about value than to say the Mac processor is more powerful than the average PC processor. By that logic, all of us should own luxury cars because they offer more at a higher price.
      Personally, I don't really care if my Mac costs a couple hundred more than what I could get an equivalent PC for. A computer lasts me 3-4 yrs, and I use it so much that the fewer headaches I get using a Mac make it worth the difference. Besides, if you're at a point financially where you seriously cannot afford to pay a little extra, you probably shouldn't be buying any sort of computer.

      Your use of the car analogy I say is a bit off- I think it goes something like this- I liken it to someone buying a mac instead of PC to someone who can spend $35k on a car buying a BMW 325 instead of a Toyota Corolla. Its a consumers choice to spend more money on something that is generally regarded as a superior product. Sure, the Corolla would suffice and can get you to point A to point B like any other car, but the person is buying it for the extras you get with the BMW that you don't with the Toyota.
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      • Silverstring
        Pro
        • Feb 2003
        • 739

        #33
        Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

        Just for another perspective:


        And what do you know, this guy uses the car analogy as well! The pen/writing instrument one is nice too, however. The guy is obviously biased, and puts down PCs a little to fervently, but beneath the zealotry are some good points, and the discussion in the comments is thought provoking, with points made by both "sides"(I hate when the discussion is characterized that way, but I digress...).

        Comment number 6 on the blog brings up a nice counterpoint. However, I DO care about "look and feel", and am willing to pay extra for it. As far as I'm concerned, a computer is designed to accomplish tasks, but it IS a piece of furniture as well. I pay a little more for nice plates when paper ones could do, nice glassware when solo cups can hold the same amount of liquid, and nice clothes when a burlap sack could give me similar body coverage. I don't think it's "stupid" to pay for a nicer-looking computer, but functionality is still my primary concern.
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        • Rodster
          Banned
          • Mar 2003
          • 5709

          #34
          Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

          Originally posted by Silverstring
          Just for another perspective:


          However, I DO care about "look and feel", and am willing to pay extra for it. As far as I'm concerned, a computer is designed to accomplish tasks, but it IS a piece of furniture as well. I pay a little more for nice plates when paper ones could do, nice glassware when solo cups can hold the same amount of liquid, and nice clothes when a burlap sack could give me similar body coverage. I don't think it's "stupid" to pay for a nicer-looking computer, but functionality is still my primary concern.
          Good points Silverstring, as most Apple Computers are a work of art in design especially the iPods and new iMac's. On the flip side there are some absolutely drop dead gorgeous aftermarket PC computer cases available for the build it yourself crowd. I just purchased one recently and it's stunning to look at, to say the least. So good looking computers are not just specific to macs anymore.

          Heck there are some computers cases available that by first glance you couldn't tell they were computers as they look like home theater equipment. A friend of mind built a computer himself and he choose a case that looks like a small stereo reciever with knobs and yes it has a built in FM reciever to boot.

          But no arguments from me as to paying a little extra for computers that look different cause I feel the same way. My point is that it's no longer a unique thing to Apple, but an all white shiny compter does look very slick at least to me.

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          • ESPNdeportes
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 3459

            #35
            Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

            Originally posted by Silverstring
            Just for another perspective:


            And what do you know, this guy uses the car analogy as well! The pen/writing instrument one is nice too, however. The guy is obviously biased, and puts down PCs a little to fervently, but beneath the zealotry are some good points, and the discussion in the comments is thought provoking, with points made by both "sides"(I hate when the discussion is characterized that way, but I digress...).

            Comment number 6 on the blog brings up a nice counterpoint. However, I DO care about "look and feel", and am willing to pay extra for it. As far as I'm concerned, a computer is designed to accomplish tasks, but it IS a piece of furniture as well. I pay a little more for nice plates when paper ones could do, nice glassware when solo cups can hold the same amount of liquid, and nice clothes when a burlap sack could give me similar body coverage. I don't think it's "stupid" to pay for a nicer-looking computer, but functionality is still my primary concern.
            I agree, especially with the looks. My powerbook that I bought two years ago looks much nicer than almost all PC laptops you can buy now....although there are some nice looking Vaios that look about as nice
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            • Skerik
              Living in this tube
              • Mar 2004
              • 5215

              #36
              Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

              Speaking as a hardcore gamer, ain't no way I'd ever buy a Mac.

              I do like my Apple 30" cinema display though....
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              • ObiWanJenkins

                #37
                Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

                Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                Personally, I don't really care if my Mac costs a couple hundred more than what I could get an equivalent PC for. A computer lasts me 3-4 yrs, and I use it so much that the fewer headaches I get using a Mac make it worth the difference. Besides, if you're at a point financially where you seriously cannot afford to pay a little extra, you probably shouldn't be buying any sort of computer.
                Your last statement makes no sense to me in this topic. I won't buy a Mac because I don't think it's worth the extra money, not because I can't afford it. When did finances come into it? It seems like you're trying to state your opinion as fact. You've had headaches with PC's and not with Macs. I have had just as many problems with the Macs as the PC's I have used. I don't that makes either of us more factually right than the other.

                Your use of the car analogy I say is a bit off- I think it goes something like this- I liken it to someone buying a mac instead of PC to someone who can spend $35k on a car buying a BMW 325 instead of a Toyota Corolla. Its a consumers choice to spend more money on something that is generally regarded as a superior product. Sure, the Corolla would suffice and can get you to point A to point B like any other car, but the person is buying it for the extras you get with the BMW that you don't with the Toyota.
                No, I think your analogy is a little off. A Mac is not a luxury car compared to the standard bottom of the line sedan of Windows. I have never heard an objective expert call a Mac a "generally superior product" when comparing it to a PC. Keep in mind that we are comparing hardware and all available OS's. Silverstring mentioned "internet, email, document creation, photo organizing and editing, and games." When comparing these five things, you cannot say factually that a Mac does all five better than a PC. In fact, Mac handles photo organizing and editing better than the PC OS's, but PC's handle game playing much better than Macs. That would make it a wash.

                Your experience with your Mac may make it the best choice for you, but I have been using both PC's and Apples for the past 20+ years. For me, there is no value in a Mac over a PC, though Macs are incredible tools for certain applications.

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                • Rodster
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 5709

                  #38
                  Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

                  Originally posted by ObiWanJenkins
                  You've had headaches with PC's and not with Macs. I have had just as many problems with the Macs as the PC's I have used. I don't that makes either of us more factually right than the other.
                  Yup agreed i've had my share of problems as well from spinning beach balls to Safari and other app crashes. So much for the we're more stable than XP. Both systems OS's need their share of maintence and that's been my problem with the Mac crowd. For all the refinements and yearly upgrades of OSX it still isn't perfect but they make it sound like their OS can do no wrong, I say phooey.

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                  • ObiWanJenkins

                    #39
                    Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

                    Originally posted by Silverstring
                    Just for another perspective:


                    Comment number 6 on the blog brings up a nice counterpoint. However, I DO care about "look and feel", and am willing to pay extra for it. As far as I'm concerned, a computer is designed to accomplish tasks, but it IS a piece of furniture as well. I pay a little more for nice plates when paper ones could do, nice glassware when solo cups can hold the same amount of liquid, and nice clothes when a burlap sack could give me similar body coverage. I don't think it's "stupid" to pay for a nicer-looking computer, but functionality is still my primary concern.
                    I understand where you're coming from with that, and I agree that Macs are beautiful machines. For me, look is not important at all. My PC's are all enclosed to the front and sides, so only the monitors are seen. Though I agree that paying for a nicer looking computer is not stupid, it's just not my way of doing things.

                    I am the opposite from you. I won't pay more for "nicer looking" plates when the cheaper ones function the same. I think your burlap sack is a little extreme, but I tend to buy non-name brands when it comes to clothes, because paying for a name has no value for me.

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                    • ESPNdeportes
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3459

                      #40
                      Re: Apple Computers now with latest Intel Processors

                      Originally posted by ObiWanJenkins
                      Your last statement makes no sense to me in this topic. I won't buy a Mac because I don't think it's worth the extra money, not because I can't afford it. When did finances come into it? It seems like you're trying to state your opinion as fact. You've had headaches with PC's and not with Macs. I have had just as many problems with the Macs as the PC's I have used. I don't that makes either of us more factually right than the other.



                      No, I think your analogy is a little off. A Mac is not a luxury car compared to the standard bottom of the line sedan of Windows. I have never heard an objective expert call a Mac a "generally superior product" when comparing it to a PC. Keep in mind that we are comparing hardware and all available OS's. Silverstring mentioned "internet, email, document creation, photo organizing and editing, and games." When comparing these five things, you cannot say factually that a Mac does all five better than a PC. In fact, Mac handles photo organizing and editing better than the PC OS's, but PC's handle game playing much better than Macs. That would make it a wash.

                      Your experience with your Mac may make it the best choice for you, but I have been using both PC's and Apples for the past 20+ years. For me, there is no value in a Mac over a PC, though Macs are incredible tools for certain applications.
                      Fair points, on all but one thing: I never tried to state anything as fact. Which is why i started my post with "Personally,...." which indicates that everything therein is opinion.

                      But, I didn't read the entire thread so I guess my points
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