Spider-man 3 info

[aukevin]

Looks like Spidey is going to wear the black outfit at some point in this one. Here is a poster:




I guess it makes since that the black costume is in this movie since it is so widely rumored that Venom is a villian in Spider-man 3. I don't remember the exact origins of Venom, but didn't the original origins of Venom have something to do with Spider-man's black suit? Wasn't the suit actually like some kind of alien that tried to fuse with Spidey but was rejected and fused with Eddie Brock (Venom) instead? I also believe that Mr Fantastic also had a role in the whole black suit deal. It would be cool if they had a little cameo of Ioan Gruffudd (Mr Fantastic from the F4 movie) in Spider-man 3.

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

Looks like Spidey is going to wear the black outfit at some point in this one. Here is a poster:




I guess it makes since that the black costume is in this movie since it is so widely rumored that Venom is a villian in Spider-man 3. I don't remember the exact origins of Venom, but didn't the original origins of Venom have something to do with Spider-man's black suit? Wasn't the suit actually like some kind of alien that tried to fuse with Spidey but was rejected and fused with Eddie Brock (Venom) instead? I also believe that Mr Fantastic also had a role in the whole black suit deal. It would be cool if they had a little cameo of Ioan Gruffudd (Mr Fantastic from the F4 movie) in Spider-man 3.

I am really stoked to see this. I can't wait since Venom is one of my all-time favorite Spidey villians.

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

Venom Origin from Wikidpedia.com.


While embroiled in a major crossover storyline fighting the Secret Wars on an alien planet, Spider-Man acquired an alien costume. It responded to his thoughts, was able to mimic street clothes and seemed to provide an inexhaustible supply of webbing. Unfortunately, once on Earth, Spider-Man learned that the costume was in fact a sentient Symbiote, that desired to fuse permanently with Spider-Man, and which enveloped him at night as he slept, using his unconscious body to go out and fight crime. With the aid of Mister Fantastic, Spider-Man managed to have the costume removed. The costume made one more attempt to bond itself to Spider-Man, but was forcibly rejected. Weakened by the rejection, the costume slithered away, presumably to die.

Meanwhile, reporter Eddie Brock had been penning a number of articles in The Daily Globe on the recent Sin-Eater case, a storyline that ran in Amazing Spider-Man’s sister title, The Spectacular Spider-Man. Following a false lead, he proceeded to write a series of columns identifying Emil Gregg as the perpetrator of the crimes. When Spider-Man caught the real criminal, policeman Stan Carter, Emil Gregg was discovered to be a compulsive confessor. The Globe became a laughing stock, and it fired Brock, who was shunned by his peers, and forced to write scathing celebrity exposes and alien abduction drivel for the scandal rags. Brock took up weight lifting in the hopes of reducing his stress, but was unsuccessful in alleviating his obsessive hatred of Spider-Man. Planning to kill himself, Eddie went to a church to apologize to God for not being strong enough to handle life. In that church, Eddie was found by the alien costume, which bonded itself to the failed reporter. The process left both, already emotionally unstable individuals, permanently damaged. Adopting the name Venom in reference to the tawdry stories he was forced to write after falling from grace as a reporter, the new symbiotic pair decided to take their revenge on Spider-Man. At one point, Venom actually broke into Parker's home, severely frightening his wife, Mary Jane Watson.

First full Appearance of Venom in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #300It is interesting to note that this 'origin' story has been in some ways retconned in order to add depth to the characters involved. It is revealed that Eddie was diagnosed with cancer before the Sin-Eater case, and was told he had little more than 3 months to live. It is this, not the Sin-Eater situation, which finally drove Eddie to decide to kill himself.

The symbiote's motivations were also changed. It was originally implied that the symbiote sought Eddie because they both had a hatred of Peter Parker/Spider-Man, but the revised canon is that the form of cancer Eddie had came with an enhanced production of adrenaline - exactly what the symbiote feeds off of, thus making some type of cure that heals him of his disease.

Eddie Brock.Venom is jet black with a large symbol of a white black widow spider on his chest. He has a gaping mouth filled with razor-sharp teeth, a long, lolling tongue, and is often depicted drooling a green slime-like substance. He is stronger than Spider-Man and his webbing, which the symbiote generates from the mass of its own body, is more durable than Spider-Man's mechanically-generated webs. The symbiote's shapeshifting ability allows Venom to camouflage himself like a chameleon or to assume the likeness of nearly any person. Venom also has the ability to remain undetected by Spider-Man's spider-sense, making him one of Spider-Man's deadliest foes. However, the symbiote is highly vulnerable to fire and high-frequency sound.

Venom's first confrontation with Spider-Man.Despite his lethal ability and homicidal hatred of Spider-Man, Venom remains curiously protective of those he considers "innocent". He will generally avoid killing bystanders or innocents in his quest for vengeance. Of course, the fact that he is insane means that his definition of "innocent" and "necessary casualties" fluctuate as his needs demand. He has teamed up with Spider-Man on several occasions, most notably to battle the symbiote's homicidal offspring, Carnage, and has occasionally worked alongside other anti-heroes and superheroes, such as The Punisher and Ghost Rider. His concept of justice is simply to kill criminals brutally and without hesitation, even for crimes as small as theft, which has made him greatly feared. He can even be harsh to the heroes he works with, but he later forgets his disagreements with them and focuses on beating the opponent. Venom will especially go after people if he sees them freeing and/or letting Spider-Man go from his grasp. Despite the way he acts, he does have his merciful side. Even if he beats his enemy, like a hero, he will generally let them go and continue on with his business. Sometimes, he will even save heroes from certain death, if he thinks it is necessary and if it might help him with his quest on beating up even deadlier foes. Since then, however, Venom has on several occasions renewed his quest to see Peter Parker/Spider-Man (and, on occasion, Spider-Man's clone, Ben Reilly) dead. Shortly after that, Venom had an epic struggle with the returned Spider-Clone, Ben Reilly (who was going by the name Scarlet Spider at the time, and managed to separate Brock and the symbiote).

A long-haired Eddie Brock (right) with Beck (left), his on-again/off-again girlfriend.A clone of the Venom symbiote recently appeared, killing - unlike the original symbiote - most of its hosts. The only two to survive it for a significant period were the Antarctic researcher Patricia Robertson, thanks to technology, and the X-Man Wolverine, thanks to his healing factor. The series ended with Robertson being fully absorbed by the symbiote, before Brock's symbiote absorbed the clone.

After being rejoined, Venom's killer instincts surfaced once again, and little by little, he became a threat to innocent people as well. He acquired selective amnesia (Brock no longer remembers Peter is Spider-Man, and the symbiote doesn't seem to make any effort to remind him of that.) Brock absorbed Cletus Kasady's symbiote (who then found another one) and joined the Sinister Six shortly after the reboot. But he soon regretted it and then tried to kill his former teammates. He left Sandman near death after biting a great chunk out of him, and attacked Electro, leaving him also for dead. He made some sort of peace with Spidey (again), only to blame him for his wife's suicide. Venom lost his chance for revenge when the powerful human/alien hybrid known as Senator Ward split Brock and the symbiote apart again.

Venom returned later on to reveal that Eddie Brock had cancer, and he could not survive without a permanent merge with the symbiote. In the end, Spider-Man convinces the symbiote to go through with this "permanent merge." However, Eddie went through a religious awakening, and Brock sold the symbiote to the crimelord Don Fortunato, intending to donate the $100 million received to charity before dying. Angelo Fortunato became the second Venom for a brief period of time (technically, the Venom clone and its hosts were not really Venom). Upon hearing that Angelo Fortunato, the Don's son, had died after the symbiote abandoned him in mid-air jump, Brock slit his wrists in an alley, and his fate is uncertain.

[USF11]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

Venom Origin from Wikidpedia.com.


While embroiled in a major crossover storyline fighting the Secret Wars on an alien planet, Spider-Man acquired an alien costume. It responded to his thoughts, was able to mimic street clothes and seemed to provide an inexhaustible supply of webbing. Unfortunately, once on Earth, Spider-Man learned that the costume was in fact a sentient Symbiote, that desired to fuse permanently with Spider-Man, and which enveloped him at night as he slept, using his unconscious body to go out and fight crime. With the aid of Mister Fantastic, Spider-Man managed to have the costume removed. The costume made one more attempt to bond itself to Spider-Man, but was forcibly rejected. Weakened by the rejection, the costume slithered away, presumably to die.

Meanwhile, reporter Eddie Brock had been penning a number of articles in The Daily Globe on the recent Sin-Eater case, a storyline that ran in Amazing Spider-Man’s sister title, The Spectacular Spider-Man. Following a false lead, he proceeded to write a series of columns identifying Emil Gregg as the perpetrator of the crimes. When Spider-Man caught the real criminal, policeman Stan Carter, Emil Gregg was discovered to be a compulsive confessor. The Globe became a laughing stock, and it fired Brock, who was shunned by his peers, and forced to write scathing celebrity exposes and alien abduction drivel for the scandal rags. Brock took up weight lifting in the hopes of reducing his stress, but was unsuccessful in alleviating his obsessive hatred of Spider-Man. Planning to kill himself, Eddie went to a church to apologize to God for not being strong enough to handle life. In that church, Eddie was found by the alien costume, which bonded itself to the failed reporter. The process left both, already emotionally unstable individuals, permanently damaged. Adopting the name Venom in reference to the tawdry stories he was forced to write after falling from grace as a reporter, the new symbiotic pair decided to take their revenge on Spider-Man. At one point, Venom actually broke into Parker's home, severely frightening his wife, Mary Jane Watson.

First full Appearance of Venom in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #300It is interesting to note that this 'origin' story has been in some ways retconned in order to add depth to the characters involved. It is revealed that Eddie was diagnosed with cancer before the Sin-Eater case, and was told he had little more than 3 months to live. It is this, not the Sin-Eater situation, which finally drove Eddie to decide to kill himself.

The symbiote's motivations were also changed. It was originally implied that the symbiote sought Eddie because they both had a hatred of Peter Parker/Spider-Man, but the revised canon is that the form of cancer Eddie had came with an enhanced production of adrenaline - exactly what the symbiote feeds off of, thus making some type of cure that heals him of his disease.

Eddie Brock.Venom is jet black with a large symbol of a white black widow spider on his chest. He has a gaping mouth filled with razor-sharp teeth, a long, lolling tongue, and is often depicted drooling a green slime-like substance. He is stronger than Spider-Man and his webbing, which the symbiote generates from the mass of its own body, is more durable than Spider-Man's mechanically-generated webs. The symbiote's shapeshifting ability allows Venom to camouflage himself like a chameleon or to assume the likeness of nearly any person. Venom also has the ability to remain undetected by Spider-Man's spider-sense, making him one of Spider-Man's deadliest foes. However, the symbiote is highly vulnerable to fire and high-frequency sound.

Venom's first confrontation with Spider-Man.Despite his lethal ability and homicidal hatred of Spider-Man, Venom remains curiously protective of those he considers "innocent". He will generally avoid killing bystanders or innocents in his quest for vengeance. Of course, the fact that he is insane means that his definition of "innocent" and "necessary casualties" fluctuate as his needs demand. He has teamed up with Spider-Man on several occasions, most notably to battle the symbiote's homicidal offspring, Carnage, and has occasionally worked alongside other anti-heroes and superheroes, such as The Punisher and Ghost Rider. His concept of justice is simply to kill criminals brutally and without hesitation, even for crimes as small as theft, which has made him greatly feared. He can even be harsh to the heroes he works with, but he later forgets his disagreements with them and focuses on beating the opponent. Venom will especially go after people if he sees them freeing and/or letting Spider-Man go from his grasp. Despite the way he acts, he does have his merciful side. Even if he beats his enemy, like a hero, he will generally let them go and continue on with his business. Sometimes, he will even save heroes from certain death, if he thinks it is necessary and if it might help him with his quest on beating up even deadlier foes. Since then, however, Venom has on several occasions renewed his quest to see Peter Parker/Spider-Man (and, on occasion, Spider-Man's clone, Ben Reilly) dead. Shortly after that, Venom had an epic struggle with the returned Spider-Clone, Ben Reilly (who was going by the name Scarlet Spider at the time, and managed to separate Brock and the symbiote).

A long-haired Eddie Brock (right) with Beck (left), his on-again/off-again girlfriend.A clone of the Venom symbiote recently appeared, killing - unlike the original symbiote - most of its hosts. The only two to survive it for a significant period were the Antarctic researcher Patricia Robertson, thanks to technology, and the X-Man Wolverine, thanks to his healing factor. The series ended with Robertson being fully absorbed by the symbiote, before Brock's symbiote absorbed the clone.

After being rejoined, Venom's killer instincts surfaced once again, and little by little, he became a threat to innocent people as well. He acquired selective amnesia (Brock no longer remembers Peter is Spider-Man, and the symbiote doesn't seem to make any effort to remind him of that.) Brock absorbed Cletus Kasady's symbiote (who then found another one) and joined the Sinister Six shortly after the reboot. But he soon regretted it and then tried to kill his former teammates. He left Sandman near death after biting a great chunk out of him, and attacked Electro, leaving him also for dead. He made some sort of peace with Spidey (again), only to blame him for his wife's suicide. Venom lost his chance for revenge when the powerful human/alien hybrid known as Senator Ward split Brock and the symbiote apart again.

Venom returned later on to reveal that Eddie Brock had cancer, and he could not survive without a permanent merge with the symbiote. In the end, Spider-Man convinces the symbiote to go through with this "permanent merge." However, Eddie went through a religious awakening, and Brock sold the symbiote to the crimelord Don Fortunato, intending to donate the $100 million received to charity before dying. Angelo Fortunato became the second Venom for a brief period of time (technically, the Venom clone and its hosts were not really Venom). Upon hearing that Angelo Fortunato, the Don's son, had died after the symbiote abandoned him in mid-air jump, Brock slit his wrists in an alley, and his fate is uncertain.

I havent read comics in about 10 years, but I think marvel has overhauled the origins of all of its characters. Toby Maguire is gonna make an awesome Venom for me.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I havent read comics in about 10 years, but I think marvel has overhauled the origins of all of its characters. Toby Maguire is gonna make an awesome Venom for me.

Actually Topher Grace is gonna be Venom... man I can't wait for this movie!!!

[USF11]

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Actually Topher Grace is gonna be Venom... man I can't wait for this movie!!!

Whoops my bad, I get them confused. Eric Foreman as Venom will be good.

[aukevin]

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I havent read comics in about 10 years, but I think marvel has overhauled the origins of all of its characters. [Topher Grace] is gonna make an awesome Venom for me.

I saw this on IGN's site. It explains the different origins of Venom. The first one and the one that candyman posted was the one I kinda remembered:

During Secret Wars, Marvel's great crossover event of the mid-'80s, Spider-Man -- who had been complaining about his costume -- managed to find some new duds on an alien planet. The black costume was more than Spidey bargained for. It was, in fact, an alien symbiote that was attempting to permanently bond with Spider-Man. Eventually Spidey managed to free himself of the symbiote's control. It slithered off and found a new host in Eddie Brock, a disgraced reporter who once worked at The Daily Globe (not to be confused with The Daily Bugle.) Eddie was on the verge of suicide, dejected over his failure and suffering from terminal cancer. The symbiote and Eddie became fast friends and the mad creature Venom was born.

In the Ultimate Universe, "Venom" was the name of Peter Parker and Eddie Brock's fathers' experimental cure for cancer. The suit was intended to bond to a cancer victim and feed on the cancerous cells, thus curing them. But as the elder Parker and Brock discovered, the suit had far greater potential as a weapon. Feeling that Peter Parker robbed him of their fathers' legacy, Eddie Brock exposed himself to the last sample of the suit and Ultimate Venom was born.

In the Spider-Man Animated Series, Venom once again has an alien origin. John Jameson (son of JJJ), is an astronaut who discovers an unusual rock that gets named "Promethium X". The strange rock, which is brought back to Earth, also contains what amounts to an alien symbiote. It breaks free of its rock containment and eventually finds a host in Eddie Brock.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/687/687337p1.html

[CaptainZombie]

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Actually Topher Grace is gonna be Venom... man I can't wait for this movie!!!

I like Tropher Grace from 70's show, but Eddie Brock was a brute unless Grace has been hitting the gym.

[Vince]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

I like Tropher Grace from 70's show, but Eddie Brock was a brute unless Grace has been hitting the gym.

Exactly what I was gonna say. Topher is a stick.

I remember Eddie from the Spider-Man cartoons from 5 years ago and yes, he looked like a roided up Spider-Man.

[aukevin]

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Exactly what I was gonna say. Topher is a stick.

I remember Eddie from the Spider-Man cartoons from 5 years ago and yes, he looked like a roided up Spider-Man.

yeah, he isn't the most obvious choice, that's for sure...

and



doesn't quite equal:





But they can do some pretty cool stuff with CGI these days I guess.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I thought I saw a picture a few months back of Grace who had put on like 20 pounds of muscle at least... Hell he's probably on roids to get big for the role.

[SPTO]

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I'm sure Topher Grace put on some pounds and i'm also sure there'll be CGI of him in the Venom outfit. I mean if Frasier Crane can be Beast then Eric Freeman can be Eddie Brock

[jmood88]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

Looks like Spidey is going to wear the black outfit at some point in this one. Here is a poster:




I guess it makes since that the black costume is in this movie since it is so widely rumored that Venom is a villian in Spider-man 3. I don't remember the exact origins of Venom, but didn't the original origins of Venom have something to do with Spider-man's black suit? Wasn't the suit actually like some kind of alien that tried to fuse with Spidey but was rejected and fused with Eddie Brock (Venom) instead? I also believe that Mr Fantastic also had a role in the whole black suit deal. It would be cool if they had a little cameo of Ioan Gruffudd (Mr Fantastic from the F4 movie) in Spider-man 3.

In the comics the black suit originally came during the secret war series. Spiderman got it from some alien machine. Later on they added venom and I know in the cartoon they had it fusing with peter first and then he got it off and it went to eddie but I'm not sure how they added venom in the comics.

[jmood88]

Re: Spider-man 3 info

Venom Origin from Wikidpedia.com.


While embroiled in a major crossover storyline fighting the Secret Wars on an alien planet, Spider-Man acquired an alien costume. It responded to his thoughts, was able to mimic street clothes and seemed to provide an inexhaustible supply of webbing. Unfortunately, once on Earth, Spider-Man learned that the costume was in fact a sentient Symbiote, that desired to fuse permanently with Spider-Man, and which enveloped him at night as he slept, using his unconscious body to go out and fight crime. With the aid of Mister Fantastic, Spider-Man managed to have the costume removed. The costume made one more attempt to bond itself to Spider-Man, but was forcibly rejected. Weakened by the rejection, the costume slithered away, presumably to die.

Meanwhile, reporter Eddie Brock had been penning a number of articles in The Daily Globe on the recent Sin-Eater case, a storyline that ran in Amazing Spider-Man’s sister title, The Spectacular Spider-Man. Following a false lead, he proceeded to write a series of columns identifying Emil Gregg as the perpetrator of the crimes. When Spider-Man caught the real criminal, policeman Stan Carter, Emil Gregg was discovered to be a compulsive confessor. The Globe became a laughing stock, and it fired Brock, who was shunned by his peers, and forced to write scathing celebrity exposes and alien abduction drivel for the scandal rags. Brock took up weight lifting in the hopes of reducing his stress, but was unsuccessful in alleviating his obsessive hatred of Spider-Man. Planning to kill himself, Eddie went to a church to apologize to God for not being strong enough to handle life. In that church, Eddie was found by the alien costume, which bonded itself to the failed reporter. The process left both, already emotionally unstable individuals, permanently damaged. Adopting the name Venom in reference to the tawdry stories he was forced to write after falling from grace as a reporter, the new symbiotic pair decided to take their revenge on Spider-Man. At one point, Venom actually broke into Parker's home, severely frightening his wife, Mary Jane Watson.

First full Appearance of Venom in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #300It is interesting to note that this 'origin' story has been in some ways retconned in order to add depth to the characters involved. It is revealed that Eddie was diagnosed with cancer before the Sin-Eater case, and was told he had little more than 3 months to live. It is this, not the Sin-Eater situation, which finally drove Eddie to decide to kill himself.

The symbiote's motivations were also changed. It was originally implied that the symbiote sought Eddie because they both had a hatred of Peter Parker/Spider-Man, but the revised canon is that the form of cancer Eddie had came with an enhanced production of adrenaline - exactly what the symbiote feeds off of, thus making some type of cure that heals him of his disease.

Eddie Brock.Venom is jet black with a large symbol of a white black widow spider on his chest. He has a gaping mouth filled with razor-sharp teeth, a long, lolling tongue, and is often depicted drooling a green slime-like substance. He is stronger than Spider-Man and his webbing, which the symbiote generates from the mass of its own body, is more durable than Spider-Man's mechanically-generated webs. The symbiote's shapeshifting ability allows Venom to camouflage himself like a chameleon or to assume the likeness of nearly any person. Venom also has the ability to remain undetected by Spider-Man's spider-sense, making him one of Spider-Man's deadliest foes. However, the symbiote is highly vulnerable to fire and high-frequency sound.

Venom's first confrontation with Spider-Man.Despite his lethal ability and homicidal hatred of Spider-Man, Venom remains curiously protective of those he considers "innocent". He will generally avoid killing bystanders or innocents in his quest for vengeance. Of course, the fact that he is insane means that his definition of "innocent" and "necessary casualties" fluctuate as his needs demand. He has teamed up with Spider-Man on several occasions, most notably to battle the symbiote's homicidal offspring, Carnage, and has occasionally worked alongside other anti-heroes and superheroes, such as The Punisher and Ghost Rider. His concept of justice is simply to kill criminals brutally and without hesitation, even for crimes as small as theft, which has made him greatly feared. He can even be harsh to the heroes he works with, but he later forgets his disagreements with them and focuses on beating the opponent. Venom will especially go after people if he sees them freeing and/or letting Spider-Man go from his grasp. Despite the way he acts, he does have his merciful side. Even if he beats his enemy, like a hero, he will generally let them go and continue on with his business. Sometimes, he will even save heroes from certain death, if he thinks it is necessary and if it might help him with his quest on beating up even deadlier foes. Since then, however, Venom has on several occasions renewed his quest to see Peter Parker/Spider-Man (and, on occasion, Spider-Man's clone, Ben Reilly) dead. Shortly after that, Venom had an epic struggle with the returned Spider-Clone, Ben Reilly (who was going by the name Scarlet Spider at the time, and managed to separate Brock and the symbiote).

A long-haired Eddie Brock (right) with Beck (left), his on-again/off-again girlfriend.A clone of the Venom symbiote recently appeared, killing - unlike the original symbiote - most of its hosts. The only two to survive it for a significant period were the Antarctic researcher Patricia Robertson, thanks to technology, and the X-Man Wolverine, thanks to his healing factor. The series ended with Robertson being fully absorbed by the symbiote, before Brock's symbiote absorbed the clone.

After being rejoined, Venom's killer instincts surfaced once again, and little by little, he became a threat to innocent people as well. He acquired selective amnesia (Brock no longer remembers Peter is Spider-Man, and the symbiote doesn't seem to make any effort to remind him of that.) Brock absorbed Cletus Kasady's symbiote (who then found another one) and joined the Sinister Six shortly after the reboot. But he soon regretted it and then tried to kill his former teammates. He left Sandman near death after biting a great chunk out of him, and attacked Electro, leaving him also for dead. He made some sort of peace with Spidey (again), only to blame him for his wife's suicide. Venom lost his chance for revenge when the powerful human/alien hybrid known as Senator Ward split Brock and the symbiote apart again.

Venom returned later on to reveal that Eddie Brock had cancer, and he could not survive without a permanent merge with the symbiote. In the end, Spider-Man convinces the symbiote to go through with this "permanent merge." However, Eddie went through a religious awakening, and Brock sold the symbiote to the crimelord Don Fortunato, intending to donate the $100 million received to charity before dying. Angelo Fortunato became the second Venom for a brief period of time (technically, the Venom clone and its hosts were not really Venom). Upon hearing that Angelo Fortunato, the Don's son, had died after the symbiote abandoned him in mid-air jump, Brock slit his wrists in an alley, and his fate is uncertain.

Well looks like you had a much better explanation than me lol.

[jmood88]

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I thought I saw a picture a few months back of Grace who had put on like 20 pounds of muscle at least... Hell he's probably on roids to get big for the role.

Are you sure it was Grace? Even with 20 pounds he would still have to gain a lot more to look right.