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[SoMiss2000]

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I just got back from seeing it. I enjoyed it even though I feel it could have been better. I was glad to see that this probably won't be the last one. Prediction, in two years, X-Men: The New Generation. I won't post the spoiler that leads one to question if it was the last one.

[SoMiss2000]

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It wasn't bad, and it wasn't all that great...

summarizes my feelings. Not a horrible movie, but could have been better had the storylines been more detailed. It was a lot of action packed into 2 hours.


One more thing, I like Dr. Grey with the short red cut, but I thought she was pretty hot with the long red. As always, Storm(Halle) made me think of things I would do to her. Rebecca Rowhatever has more boobage this time.

[SoMiss2000]

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Also the film has more after the end credits to let you know a major twist.....

what happened? I sent you a pm.

[Millennium]

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Only way I can sum it up:

If it wasn't an X-Men movie, it would be awesome. Being that it is an X-Men movie, it sucked horribly.

The fact that Stan Lee or anyone ever associated with comic books in general put their name anywhere near this should be career suicide. Why not take all of the Marvel lore and, instead of sticking to it, re-write everything. That's what this movie did.

Oh, and BTW, Juggernaut's powers are magic, not mutant. You'll see why I say this after you see the movie.

[SoMiss2000]

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Only way I can sum it up:

If it wasn't an X-Men movie, it would be awesome. Being that it is an X-Men movie, it sucked horribly.

The fact that Stan Lee or anyone ever associated with comic books in general put their name anywhere near this should be career suicide. Why not take all of the Marvel lore and, instead of sticking to it, re-write everything. That's what this movie did.

Oh, and BTW, Juggernaut's powers are magic, not mutant. You'll see why I say this after you see the movie.

i'm juggernaut bitch!!

[jfsolo]

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Just got back from seeing this movie....

It wasn't bad, and it wasn't all that great...

All I can say, is the difference between x1 and x2 compared to this one was ....

It was waaaaaaay more violent and action packed....the story was straight forward and didn't beat around the bush. Plus nice levels of profanity and cocky mutants in the film....

Opens the doors for much more to come.

Some of the aspects of the movie will piss you off, because of some of the events that take place, are like WTF and hell naw...

Other will make you laugh and applaud the film...

Overall its worth to watch in the theater, nice quality and lots of explosion and action to warrant the admission..

Also the film has more after the end credits to let you know a major twist.....

7/10 Not the best and not all that bad either...but one time is good enough until the DVD drops..

I agree with the 7/10 rating, but I'm a very generous grader.

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Good

The mutants use of their powers were good. We finally got to see some of them really cut loose.

I liked the portrayals of Hank and Kitty. I totally forgot that Kelsey Grammer was playing the part of Beast. Ian, Hugh, and Patrick were solid as usual.

The epic struggle between Charles and Jean. If you don't know those two characters well, then you have no idea of the amount of power that was on display there.

Bad

The script. A lot of people are going to bash Ratner, and although his work wasn't on the level of Singer's, the film was really let down by the writing.

On that note- The Rogue subplot- Rogue is my favorite superhero, so I was very upset with the garbage storyline she got.

Warren- Another garbage subplot-Why was he there? What a waste of sceen time

Scott- Come on, Is that the best you can do?


I still think it was worth seeing in the theater. I hope it makes enough money so that they have to($$$$$) make a 4th film and bring in some writers who don't just know the powers of the characters, but their personalities as well.

[SoMiss2000]

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The epic struggle between Charles and Jean. If you don't know those two characters well, then you have no idea of the amount of power that was on display there.

They did a horrible job of telling that story.

Scott- Come on, Is that the best you can do?

I felt the same ways. It was like his role was an afterthought

Not a huge fan of the comicbook series, but what exactly are Rogue's powers. I know she can absorb the powers of others but is that it?

[Fresh Tendrils]

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In the cartoon, Rogue could fly and was strong, but I believe she absorbed those powers from others. I may be wrong though.

[SoMiss2000]

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In the cartoon, Rogue could fly and was strong, but I believe she absorbed those powers from others. I may be wrong though.

all i know is, she is ready to give ol boy some *** but she can't.

[Misfit]

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I just got back from seeing it and I'll say I've been a life-long X-Men fan and I found this movie entertaining. Certainly not the best of the three but it is comparable, and neither the first one or the sequel are leaps and bounds better than this one.

From here on out, there WILL be some SPOILERS so you have been warned...













I'll first start off with the change in directors. Any problems this film has really has little or nothing to do with the directing. How Singer became a God after making the first two is beyond me, but here the directing is fine though not spectacular.

Some fanboys are going to have a problem with how the plot was constructed. First off, people expecting a Dark Phoenix saga will be dissapointed. Phoenix is merely a role player here who is central to the plot, but not it entirely. The Phoenix saga as it appears in the comics would never work in this setting, it's too "out there" and sci-fi. I expected something like what they did here and while not spectacular it does work. I'll just say there is no cosmic entity, the Phoenix is merely Jean's darker side set free (Xavier had placed mental blocks on her mind to prevent her from unleashing her full power). There is really no fire associated with her though some shots later in the film silhouette her in fire which I thought was a nice touch. The effect they use in its place is kind of weird, her face becomes ash in color and her veins are partially visible. At first I was put off by it, but I grew to like it.

Most of the plot centers around The Cure. The Cure is one of my favorite plotlines and I was hoping to see it done well. Unfortunately its merely just acceptable. Not enough time is devoted to it (a problem with the movie as a whole) and it isn't developed as best it could be. I do think it was given better treatment than William Stryker was but if better developed it could have been truely powerful. I blame the scriptwriters and whoever wrote the screenplay here, but also the fans to some degree. A lot of fans demand so many things get put into these films that this happens. We end up with undeveloped characters and plots that really needed more time. Phoenix could have been an entire film all on her own without The Cure, and vice versa. Oh well.

Another problem with the film is this notion of disposable characters. Three important characters get offed in this film which doesn't bode well for future sequels. Also, going back to the undeveloped characters, some are wasted. I though Juggernaut came off well, he looked good and was fairly accurate. His powers were made mutant (I know someone complained about this, but that was a far better route to go than the hokey gem of Cytorak one) and he is basically portrayed similarly to Ultimate Juggernaut. However, he has no connection to Xavier. Juggernaut isn't nearly as interesting without his past as Xavier's stepbrother, in fact he's hardly interesting at all without it. Same thing with Sabretooth from the first film and Deathstrike in the second.

And the biggest gripe I have with the film is the script, at times it is awful. When the movie tries to be powerful or emotonal the script is filled with cliches. The actors did the best they could with what was written and I especially applaude Jackman and Berry and for trying to pull it off but it didn't work. Wolverine was badly written for this film, he lost his edge almost completely. There is more humor in this film which was both a blessing and a curse. A lot of the bits were aimed at the comic fan and are appreciated but some were misplaced. Wolverine's encounter with the regenerating man stands out as being a corny moment for sure. One of the bits aimed at comic fans includes Juggernaut's encounter with Kitty. On the internet, a video was created using the X-Men cartoon from the 90's where Jubilee tries to stop the Juggernaut. Some fans dubbed it and had Juggy say something like "Do you know who I am?! I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" It was funny in a stupid, nerdy kind of way online, but they put it in the movie and its just silly here.

The special effects were sometimes spotty here as well. Colossus just doesn't look too good when powered up (include him in the list of characters under developed too). Iceman also doesn't look believable when "iced up" and characters have that floating quality when being thrown through the air.

So what did this film do well? Well, the Danger Room sequence was pretty cool at the beginning of the film. It also shows how a straight adaptation of the comic really wouldn't work too well as the scene depicts the X-Men fighting a Sentinel (you never actually see the Sentinel, aside from its glowing eyes and eventually decapitated head). It was fun as a Danger Room sequence though. They also included the fan-favorite fastball special. I liked that they had Callisto fight Storm, even though Callisto was completely different in the film (she was basically Quicksilver, as far as powers go). Also, it can't be stressed how perfect Kelsey Grammer is as Beast. It's a shame they didn't get him for the first two as well, definitly a bright spot for the film. Also, the score for this film is definitly the best of the three and probably the only area where this one outdoes its predecessors.

I do feel the need to mention the ending, so if you didn't notice my first SPOILERS warning there it is again...












...Phoenix ends up being killed by Wolverine because she asks him to. This moment occurs in the comics only Wolverine can't do it. In the comics, Phoenix, more or less, commits suicide. Here the ending works since Wolverine has basically taken Cyclops' place. My only issue with this is that it ruins a Mariko storyline for the intended Wolverine spin-off. That would have been the perfecft story to go with for a Wolverine solo movie but it would basically end the same way as this film did, so it would have to be altered.












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All and all, the film is entertaining if nothing else. If you go into expecting it to be a straight adaptaion of the comics you are going to be dissapointed, and you probably will be (and have been) dissapointed with any and all superhero films. Some of the things don't work on film and they did as best they could given the material and situation. This isn't a bad movie, but it isn't a special one either. Had Singer directed this one it would have come out, more or less, the same. If you liked the first two, you probably will enjoy this one as well though maybe not as much. I recommend it to fans of the first two if you don't mind paying to see it in a theater, but it isn't a must see. The movie leaves room for a sequel, but I really don't know where a sequel can go from here that will be interesting. In all likelihood, I think this will be the last X-Men movie using this cast and crew and the next one won't be along for awhile.

[jfsolo]

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They did a horrible job of telling that story.

I felt the same ways. It was like his role was an afterthought

Not a huge fan of the comicbook series, but what exactly are Rogue's powers. I know she can absorb the powers of others but is that it?

Her powers have been gimped and modified of late, but in her heyday, not only flight, super strength, but near invuleralbility as well. Add the absorption powers and she was a major badass. Also the personality is all wrong. She should be cocky, sassy, and often hotheaded. Not a dumure, hesitant, damsel in distress type.

[Misfit]

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They did a horrible job of telling that story.

I felt the same ways. It was like his role was an afterthought

Not a huge fan of the comicbook series, but what exactly are Rogue's powers. I know she can absorb the powers of others but is that it?

Rogue started off as a villain working with her foster mother Mystique. It was during a confrontation with the character Ms Marvel (also called Warbird) that she permanently absorbed Marvel's powers of flight and near invulnerability and super strength. She then later joined the X-Men. Recently, in the comics, she has lost her powers though.

Cyclops was done so poorly becausing the actor playing the character could not committ to any more than what he did for the film. It is an unfortunate situation and I wish they had just re-casted the role of Cyclops instead.

[ODogg]

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Rogue started off as a villain working with her foster mother Mystique. It was during a confrontation with the character Ms Marvel (also called Warbird) that she permanently absorbed Marvel's powers of flight and near invulnerability and super strength. She then later joined the X-Men. Recently, in the comics, she has lost her powers though.

Cyclops was done so poorly becausing the actor playing the character could not committ to any more than what he did for the film. It is an unfortunate situation and I wish they had just re-casted the role of Cyclops instead.

What else was he supposed to commit to besides the film <?>

[Misfit]

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Also the personality is all wrong. She should be cocky, sassy, and often hotheaded. Not a dumure, hesitant, damsel in distress type.

They basically wanted Rogue to play the role of Kitty for the first film, and apparently felt Kitty's powers weren't tragic enough for people to sympathize for her. I definitly prefer Rogue's comic counterpart, but it wasn't a terrible move to re-do her this way. I wish they had a better actress though...

[Misfit]

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What else was he supposed to commit to besides the film <?>

I believe he has a role in Superman Returns. Singer apparently lured him away. It's unfortunate too, as one of the most important members of the X-Men has been rendered a non-factor by the last two films.