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  • Skerik
    Living in this tube
    • Mar 2004
    • 5215
    #31
    Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

    Originally posted by pk500
    I could care less if a band I like makes the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The honor means nothing since music is so subjective, and the museum and induction ceremony are nothing but another medium for corporate marketing dollars.

    Take care,
    PK
    I think you mean you couldn't care less.

    Sports Halls of Fame make sense, since sports performance is very quantifiable via statistical analysis. But having Halls of Fame for things like music or movies just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It'd be like giving awards for the funniest jokes of all time. Different things sound good or are funny to different people and there's no right or wrong answer. Once you get past the universally regarded greats (like Elvis or the Beatles), everything is subjective.

    Unless you just induct people based on who has the most corporate success, but that's not really the point now is it....
    Helen: Everyone's special, Dash.
    Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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      • Scottdau
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 32580
        #32
        Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

        Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
        Why shouldn't they? They've influenced more bands that I can even name. I'm not a Kiss fan, but the amount of fans that band has, and the amount of records they have sold, tours they've sold out, etc...they deserve to be in there.
        I am shock that KISS is not in. I thought they were in already. People can talk crap about Kiss all the, but they are still a great band. With some good songs.

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          • Skerik
            Living in this tube
            • Mar 2004
            • 5215
            #33
            Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

            Since people are asking about KISS, I decided to go to the source on this one. I know a guy at work who is basically the living embodiment of all things KISS, so I asked him what the deal is on KISS and the R&R HOF. Just so you know who you're dealing with here, this guy has a working stage, complete with life-sized KISS figures and full pyrotechnics, that he keeps in his garage and totes out onto his lawn to stage shows for the neighbors, complete with loud music, fireworks, and flames.

            His response....

            The real story is KISS is a band of the people. The critics (ie the rock and roll hall of fame voters) hate them because they are popular with the people. They still hold the US record for most Gold albums ever. They were voted the most popular band in the world in the 1977 Gallop Poll. They have broken the Beatles attendance records in Japan. I have seen them over 80 times beginning in 1977 and still to this day, every time I take someone new to see them, they walk out of the “show” saying it’s the most amazing thing they have ever seen. That includes Dead heads, Zeppelin fans, Incubus fans, Jimmy Buffet fans, etc.
            Helen: Everyone's special, Dash.
            Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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              • DaveDQ
                13
                • Sep 2003
                • 7664
                #34
                Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                What's interesting is that Gene Simmons is rumored to have financed one of Van Halen's first demo albums.

                KISS belongs in there. You have to be ignorant to deny this band's influence in Rock and Roll. They are the Great American Rock Band.
                Being kind, one to another, never disappoints.

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                  • Kramer5150
                    Medicore Mike
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 7393
                    #35
                    Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                    Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                    Not even to mention the fact of KISS' live albums. I mean, they opened a whole new door with releasing KISS Alive! to show off their live shows.
                    No doubt I've seen interviews with Gene saying the release of Alive was a HUGE risk (for then Casablanca records) due to money,and no band had any real success with releasing a double live album,or live album period.
                    What's funny about all that though,is Kiss still wasn't popular. It wasn't until AFTER the release of Alive when the bands popularity skyrocketed.
                    People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                    “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                    “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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                      • Kramer5150
                        Medicore Mike
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 7393
                        #36
                        Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                        Originally posted by dQbell
                        What's interesting is that Gene Simmons is rumored to have financed one of Van Halen's first demo albums.

                        KISS belongs in there. You have to be ignorant to deny this band's influence in Rock and Roll. They are the Great American Rock Band.
                        He did finance the demo (I believe) He also flew Van Halen to New York to meet with Bill Aucoin (then Kiss manager) to get them a deal with Casablanca.
                        People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                        “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                        “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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                          • Kramer5150
                            Medicore Mike
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 7393
                            #37
                            Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                            Originally posted by Skerik
                            Since people are asking about KISS, I decided to go to the source on this one. I know a guy at work who is basically the living embodiment of all things KISS, so I asked him what the deal is on KISS and the R&R HOF. Just so you know who you're dealing with here, this guy has a working stage, complete with life-sized KISS figures and full pyrotechnics, that he keeps in his garage and totes out onto his lawn to stage shows for the neighbors, complete with loud music, fireworks, and flames.

                            His response....
                            Mmm interesting Thanks for the information
                            People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                            “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                            “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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                              • Scottdau
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580
                                #38
                                Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                                Originally posted by CowherPower
                                He did finance the demo (I believe) He also flew Van Halen to New York to meet with Bill Aucoin (then Kiss manager) to get them a deal with Casablanca.
                                Yes Van Halen was discover by Gene. And what did Van Halen do to thank Gene? They went and discover Bon Jovi. Thanks Van Halen! lol

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                                  • coffeeholic
                                    MVP
                                    • Oct 2004
                                    • 1391
                                    #39
                                    Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                                    Originally posted by Scottd
                                    Yes Van Halen was discover by Gene. And what did Van Halen do to thank Gene? They went and discover Bon Jovi. Thanks Van Halen! lol
                                    Interesting. So,if Diamond Dave doesn't pan out,think they could get ole' Jon to sing till they can talk Sammy into coming back? And will they call the band "Bon Halen" for an album?
                                    ByurrulzIdon'tfollow

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                                      • Scottdau
                                        Banned
                                        • Feb 2003
                                        • 32580
                                        #40
                                        Re: Congrats to Van Halen & others

                                        Originally posted by coffeeholic
                                        Interesting. So,if Diamond Dave doesn't pan out,think they could get ole' Jon to sing till they can talk Sammy into coming back? And will they call the band "Bon Halen" for an album?
                                        Another cool fact Bon Jovi discover the band Cinderella! Which I do like the songs Nobody's fool and Shake me!

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