7 New Wonders of the World Named

[NovaStar]

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Its cool if you don't want to look into it, but the The Great Pyramid is not just simple geometry and math. It's very complexed. To the way it was positoned, built and its orgins has been a big mystery longer than people have been keeping time.

No one has been able to to fully explain the orgin or its mathmatcis, so thats why its still a big deal.

Its not just angels and rays, its one of the most facinating objects the world has ever seen and its still standing today after thousdands of years.

Preach, RockinDamike. To this day the Great Pyramid cannot be duplicated (it is not just a structure, again, it contains mathematical, scientific, Astrological and straight up spiritual concepts, that we haven't figured out today.) To date, the pyramids of Egypt are the greatest structures standing on this planet.

[NovaStar]

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Your article's most recent source was 1994, with a few from the 1800s. Just a wee bit outdated.

Yes, it was probably the most advanced structure ever when considering the time of construction, but you seriously think nobody could make a pyramid?

We've put a man on our moon, we build skyscrapers with ease, we can instantly communicate with someone on the exact other side of the planet, we can clone human beings, genetically engineer anything, yet, we can't stack bricks?

So, under your theory because the theory of relativity was discovered back long ago it is outdated and should be ignored or discarded?, let's throw in, the theories of gravity, the wisdom of the bible, 1+1= 2, etc...The date of the knowledge is of little importance, the important thing is, was the knowledge grounded in truth. The realities of the pyramids, is what it is, it does not matter when the truths were discovered, just that they were discovered. No one has ever "stacked bricks" like the pyramids of Egypt before or since. Each brick was stacked with a wisdom and understanding that today's scientist still can't figure out. Most of them can't even agee on how they built the pyramids, let alone the knowledge contained in them.

[Laettner32]

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what he says.^

[cliburn]

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I'm not that impressed with the Brazilian statue, especially ahead of the Pyramids.

Yeah, that one got the "sentimental" vote. Petra in Jordan fascinates me, but I think it'd be easier to contruct that in the side of a cliff than to construct the pyramids in the desert or Stonehenge miles away from any rock quarries.

[Cebby]

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So, under your theory because the theory of relativity was discovered back long ago it is outdated and should be ignored or discarded?, let's throw in, the theories of gravity, the wisdom of the bible, 1+1= 2, etc...The date of the knowledge is of little importance, the important thing is, was the knowledge grounded in truth. The realities of the pyramids, is what it is, it does not matter when the truths were discovered, just that they were discovered.

My point was more to the "no scientist could ever replicate this". And I just do not believe that.

No one has ever "stacked bricks" like the pyramids of Egypt before or since.

Why would someone create a pyramid like the one in Egypt? It's ceremonial value is non-existent outside of Egypt.

[NovaStar]

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My point was more to the "no scientist could ever replicate this". And I just do not believe that.





Why would someone create a pyramid like the one in Egypt? It's ceremonial value is non-existent outside of Egypt.

A scientist can only manipulate what a scientist understands. Proven knowledge are what they deal with. It is like trying to get a scientist to appreciate and define the soul. The pyramids are built partly with soul power, so todays scientist cannot duplicate them, they can only study them.

If ceremonial value was the only value that the pyramids contained they would have fallen off of the proverbial scientific map many years ago. There is a reason why these structures are still the topic of great scientific debate even to this day.

[neovsmatrix]

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A scientist can only manipulate what a scientist understands. Proven knowledge are what they deal with. It is like trying to get a scientist to appreciate and define the soul. The pyramids are built partly with soul power, so todays scientist cannot duplicate them, they can only study them.

If ceremonial value was the only value that the pyramids contained they would have fallen off of the proverbial scientific map many years ago. There is a reason why these structures are still the topic of great scientific debate even to this day.

A scientist tries to understand what is not readily apparent. A scientist's job is to find out how and why things occur, to provide theories and evidence to back it up. A scientist does not only deal with proven knowledge. It's the engineers who use proven scientific principles to create new tech and other things. They're the ones who act based on proven scientific principles (most of the time).

[NovaStar]

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A scientist tries to understand what is not readily apparent. A scientist's job is to find out how and why things occur, to provide theories and evidence to back it up. A scientist does not only deal with proven knowledge. It's the engineers who use proven scientific principles to create new tech and other things. They're the ones who act based on proven scientific principles (most of the time).

What's up Neo. Alot of those "theories" or the foundation of those theories are rooted in what a scientist reasonably understands. For example, some say that the pyramids of egypt were built by extraterrestrials, scientists don't deal with that possible reality, they attempt to prove their theories "inside the box" because scientist don't believe in ET's (or at least they don't tell the general public that they do). Somethings are so far outside of the box that scientific theories become as rediculous as the missing link or the big bang theory, where scientist believe that all life sprang forth from some undesigned, unintended explosion in space.

Scientists deal with the blue pill theories of life, the pyramids are built on red pill principles.

[rubisco43]

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LOUD NOISES!!!!

[NovaStar]

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LOUD NOISES!!!!

Rubisco, what are you talking about?

[davin]

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Ok I guess here is my little spiel on the pyramids.

First off, there is no evidence slaves were used to build the pyramids. First off, the amount of facilities around the site that have been found and the medical care given to workers to me does not suggest slaves. If you broke your arm in several places and legs, if you are a slave, why do they care enough to fix you up and have it heal perfectly? Also, in Egypt, the Nile flooded for a third of the year. For an almost entirely agrarian society, that is a lot of people with nothing to do. It took about 30ish years to make the Great Pyramid of Khufu. Add in to the fact about Ancient Egyptian religion and culture. To work on a tomb, the most sacred structure in the entire Egyptian death obsessed culture was a great honor. It was believed that working on the tomb of the king could lead to a much much better afterlife. I tend to think they would not give that honor to a slave. Also the cemetaries at the site of Giza contain commoners as well as the architects and team leaders. Once again, in Ancient Egypt you do not give a slave the honor of burial that close to the king. The slave model I believe received all of its strength from movies.

I do not think that the pyramids could not be constructed again, I just think with all the projections we don't want to make the effort. Even in modern times I am pretty sure it would take decades still, and the workmanship would have to be pretty strong. The workers also do not have to live with the whole if they mess up they mess up the king's afterlife which is definite cause for death and damnation. The ancients were no less smart than us. The man who designed the first pyramid in Egypt, the step pyramid of Djoser at Saqqara was believed to be the first to successfully attempt brain surgery as well as several other medical treatments. It is believed that if his tomb is found intact it would be one of the single greatest archaeological find ever. As time goes on more and more evidence has been found to link several things thought impossible in medicine before the advent of recent technology. I reccomend a Bob Brier lecture on Egyptian medicine or even a tv show I saw on Ancient Egyptian medicine on the History Channel. It seems more and more like perhaps Hippocratic Oath doctors take really should become the Imhotepic Oath after recent finds. Many of the ancient cultures we have found put a lot of interest into the stars. To most of them the stars were where the gods live. In Egyptian mythology, Orion was the god Osiris, and the stars also told them when to start planting and the cycles of the agricultural cycle. Thus they would have had to have studied the stars a lot, for hundreds of years. I think we often do not give them enough credit for what they were able to do because they didn't have computers or space ships. The steam engine was actually first made in Alexandria Egypt before Julius Caesar, an ancient battery has been found in Baghdad, and the Anticythera device (massivly mispelled, I don't know my Greek too well) was used to be able to predict where the stars would be at any one moment for hundreds of years, just put in the date and it would show you. They had hundreds of years to study something, and the #1 priority in the state was the king reuniting with Osiris, the god of the Underworld. The cyle was critical in Ancient Egypt because it was believed that Osiris, originally the god of the Nile still played a very critical role in the flood, as the Nile was a metaphor for death and rebirth. Anyways, I think that if we put as much time and effort into this as the ancients did it would be possible, it is just we would most likely not be willing to install such effort.

I will admit my view is biased. I will also admit to spending years of my life studying ancient history. It is my belief that so much was tragically lost to us by the burning of the library at Alexandria that most of which we believed impossible was contained there, or in the libraries of the ancient world, most of which were burned down by either "barbarian" invasion or one Byzantine Emperor I really hate, Justinian.

Alright I'm out, sorry to bore most of you.

[BagMan]

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While the Jesus statue in Brazil is a fantastic engineering accomplishment, there is simply no "wonder" to it. We know how it was built. There is no mystery as it was constructed within the past 100 years.

The Pyramids still cannot be fully explained as to their purpose, design and construction and probably can't be duplicated today. To me, the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, Easter Island and even the Sphynx epitomize a "Wonder of the World" because there is a veil of mystery or "wonder" associated with them. Much more so than some of the items on the new wonders list.