"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" *SPOILERS*

[CoRruPt-]

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Am I the only one who didn't like the ending? I mean, we learned so little about what Harry and gang's lives are like. Is Harry an auror? Does he teach at Hogwarts (judging by what was said in the epilogue, one would think he isn't)? Who knows? And "All is well" is the best JKR can come up with?

She must be really unwilling to end the series to leave it as open ended as that. Personally I think Harry Potter should stop right here and now. Nothing good ever happens out of intentional attempts at prolonging a series.

The rest of the book though was good , as expected. Not my favorite of the series, but still had plenty of action. I love how Snape was portrayed as the tragic hero through the whole thing. Though I was really disappointed with JKR killing Dobby.

[heelsman22]

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Really enjoyed the book(finished it the night after it came out). But a few things took away from it.

-The part where they are camping out and going all over the country...well the whole concept of time during this part seems off. She describes it as lasting for weeks and weeks, with little to no action. She could have easily had it last two weeks and had them complete everything they did. It just seems like an unreasonable time frame.

-Killing Dobby was easily the most gutwrenching part of the entire series for me. I was just entirely shocked.

-Final scene with Voldemort should have had more of an "epic" feel to it. I can understand him going down easy the first time they fight. But when he comes back, it's like they really should have done a lot more. I felt like Harry should have ended up proving that he was better than Voldemort, instead of just being really lucky.

Overall, this was probably the best of the series for me. It skipped all the crap at the beginning like the other books have and just jumped right into the action. Epilogue was garbage, but I didn't expect anything better.

[MC Fatigue]

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-Final scene with Voldemort should have had more of an "epic" feel to it. I can understand him going down easy the first time they fight. But when he comes back, it's like they really should have done a lot more. I felt like Harry should have ended up proving that he was better than Voldemort, instead of just being really lucky.

Because Harry isn't really an amazing wizard. I kind of thought that was one of the whole points of the series. He was very capable - but taking on Voldemort without all the circumstances that made it possible? Absolutely not.

The whole point of the simplicity of him killing him in such an odd way was because of the complexity of the background story.

There was no way Harry was going to just about with regular wand to wand and actually kill Voldemort - that would have been one of the stupidest things she could have written.

The simplicity of how he killed him was so complex in itself that it was perfect.

[dkgojackets]

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Because Harry isn't really an amazing wizard. I kind of thought that was one of the whole points of the series. He was very capable - but taking on Voldemort without all the circumstances that made it possible? Absolutely not.

I agree. We shouldn't forget that it was a seventeen year old mediocre student who didn't even finish school taking on the most powerful dark wizard ever. They both had the blood of Salazar Slytherin inside them, which I liked. Harry was both a descendant of Slytherin and had a part of Voldemort inside of him, yet still went into Gryffindor.

Another question that rises from the book - Who was the greatest wizard: Dumbledore, Harry, Voldemort, or Snape?

[mgoblue]

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Another question that rises from the book - Who was the greatest wizard: Dumbledore, Harry, Voldemort, or Snape?

I'd go with Dumbledore, but in a fight I tend to think Voldemort would be your best bet

[heelsman22]

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Because Harry isn't really an amazing wizard. I kind of thought that was one of the whole points of the series. He was very capable - but taking on Voldemort without all the circumstances that made it possible? Absolutely not.

The whole point of the simplicity of him killing him in such an odd way was because of the complexity of the background story.

There was no way Harry was going to just about with regular wand to wand and actually kill Voldemort - that would have been one of the stupidest things she could have written.

The simplicity of how he killed him was so complex in itself that it was perfect.

I still don't know. I mean, I understand that Harry wasn't exactly a great wizard, and I can see how the simple ending to a complex situation is pretty clever. But I just felt like the whole thing was sort of anticlimactic.

Harry explains the Elder Wand story, they both shoot one spell, Voldemort dies: just seems a little lame. I knew it would work out this way in the end, but just wish there was a little more action.

Also, can someone explain the whole story about the wand. I read HBP so long ago that I can't exactly remember the ending, and the transferring of the wand after Dumbledore dies.

[MC Fatigue]

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Also, can someone explain the whole story about the wand. I read HBP so long ago that I can't exactly remember the ending, and the transferring of the wand after Dumbledore dies.

Well the new book pretty much explains what happened at the end of that book.

Draco disarmed Albus, so he became the owner of the wand. But Severus killed him, so everyone sort of assumed Severus became the owner (well the people who knew about the wand).

The wand was buried with Albus, so it never transfered hands - because no one knew it was THE wand yet (except Albus and maybe another one or two wizards).

Although, what I didn't get is why Harry was the rightful owner of the wand. Because it was Draco's wand that Harry disarmed - Draco wasn't using the Elder wand. So why wouldn't the wand still answer to Draco, until it was disarmed from him? I'm not sure why disarming Draco's regular want somehow transfered the Elder wand's ownership...

[dkgojackets]

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Well the new book pretty much explains what happened at the end of that book.

Draco disarmed Albus, so he became the owner of the wand. But Severus killed him, so everyone sort of assumed Severus became the owner (well the people who knew about the wand).

The wand was buried with Albus, so it never transfered hands - because no one knew it was THE wand yet (except Albus and maybe another one or two wizards).

Although, what I didn't get is why Harry was the rightful owner of the wand. Because it was Draco's wand that Harry disarmed - Draco wasn't using the Elder wand. So why wouldn't the wand still answer to Draco, until it was disarmed from him? I'm not sure why disarming Draco's regular want somehow transfered the Elder wand's ownership...

I think it had to do with the fact that the Elder wand's master (Draco) was disarmed by Harry, so the Elder wand recognizes the new master regardless of the wand Draco was using at the time. It's about attacking the wizard, not the wand itself.

What I don't get is how Dumbledore was able to defeat and take the wand from Grindlewald in a duel if it was an unbeatable wand.

[Miles_Yuhas]

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I think it had to do with the fact that the Elder wand's master (Draco) was disarmed by Harry, so the Elder wand recognizes the new master regardless of the wand Draco was using at the time. It's about attacking the wizard, not the wand itself.

What I don't get is how Dumbledore was able to defeat and take the wand from Grindlewald in a duel if it was an unbeatable wand.

Harry beat the elder wand as well in the final battle. I think that the wand isn't really unbeatable, its just really powerful, because clearly it can be beaten.

I think that Harry should have finished Voldemort in a different way than what happened. I thought that harry would kill him with the killing curse.

[dkgojackets]

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Harry beat the elder wand as well in the final battle. I think that the wand isn't really unbeatable, its just really powerful, because clearly it can be beaten.

I think that Harry should have finished Voldemort in a different way than what happened. I thought that harry would kill him with the killing curse.

Harry didn't beat the wand because Voldemort didn't control the wand, he was just in possession of it. I think it was important that Voldemort ended up dying due to his own killing curse, meaning his own evil finished him off. As far as Harry killing Voldemort with avada kedavra, the book never explicitly has any Order member use the killing curse IIRC (well, except Snape), although it was hinted that Molly did against Bellatrix. Harry used crucio and imperio, but never tried to kill. This also has to be important, showing that victory does not have to come at the expense of tearing your soul.

[Miles_Yuhas]

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Harry didn't beat the wand because Voldemort didn't control the wand, he was just in possession of it. I think it was important that Voldemort ended up dying due to his own killing curse, meaning his own evil finished him off. As far as Harry killing Voldemort with avada kedavra, the book never explicitly has any Order member use the killing curse IIRC (well, except Snape), although it was hinted that Molly did against Bellatrix. Harry used crucio and imperio, but never tried to kill. This also has to be important, showing that victory does not have to come at the expense of tearing your soul.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Theres a lot of ways you can go with this, but i was thinking of harry having to tear his soul to finish Voldemort. I felt like there wasn't that much sacrifice that harry had to make to end Voldemort. Characters died, sure, but none of the people that he really cared about (Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Hagrid)

[Beantown]

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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Theres a lot of ways you can go with this, but i was thinking of harry having to tear his soul to finish Voldemort. I felt like there wasn't that much sacrifice that harry had to make to end Voldemort. Characters died, sure, but none of the people that he really cared about (Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Hagrid)

Harry didn't have to make much sacrifice? He had to accept the fact that he had to die in order to beat him.

In essence, Harry had to make the ultimate sacrifice in order to defeat Voldemort. Harry had no way of knowing he was going to survive, so when he walked into the forest he made the ultimate sacrifice by giving his life.


Just finished it, though. Great book. Great way to end the series. "The Princes Tale" and "Kings Cross" were amazing chapters.

[Beantown]

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I thought that harry would kill him with the killing curse.

That was the best part.

Lupin mentioned it earlier. Expelliarmus was Harry's signature spell, much like the Killing Curse was Voldemort's.

The battle of the two, at the end, was the only way you could end the fight between the two, in my opinion.