****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

[ifiok25]

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This show is very intriguing. Gets your blood pressure pumping. It seems like they don't really like Hugo all that much.

[ehh]

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However....haven't all the episodes so far this season featured flash-forwards?

No sir.

[Money99]

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I think it's as simple as 'if the island wants you alive, you stay alive'.
Michael avoided death twice now without being on the island.

I think Locke is fully alive but the island needs him. Or more to the point "Jacob" needs him.

Jacob is the overseeing 'spirit' of the island. But I think he's trapped somewhat and is trying to get Locke to take his place.

P.S. The person who died at the end of S3 could very well be Jacob. Maybe once Locke took his place, he could finally leave and die in peace?

[Pared]

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Wait a second..

Maybe you guys thought this already... but the end of season 3... when Kate is talking to Jack... isn't it possible that was AFTER they were involved...?? The flash forwards we're seeing can all be leading up to that one point...

[ehh]

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Wait a second..

Maybe you guys thought this already... but the end of season 3... when Kate is talking to Jack... isn't it possible that was AFTER they were involved...?? The flash forwards we're seeing can all be leading up to that one point...

I think that's what most people think, the S3 flash forward was the end of the S4 or in S5. It's fairly obvious I think, Jack has his **** together in all the S4 flash forwards but is a disaster in the S3 one. The most recent flash forward we saw of Jack the other week probably starts his demise. I assume he has a conversation with his father soon enough and is convinced he has to go back to the Island.

[fistofrage]

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that last night's episode appeared to have been a flashback to John's youth and the time he spent as a cripple directly prior to taking his walkabout. However....haven't all the episodes so far this season featured flash-forwards?

Keep in mind that John drew the smoke monster and was supposed to know which items belonged to him on the island. Was this a flash-forward, with the older John from the island somehow going back in time to inhabit his child self with the knowledge he has of the island? It's like this is happening in the future, but John's travelling back in time to when he was a child. Or possibly just reliving moments from his youth somehow.

Also, here's a conversation from the "Access: Granted" special feature on the Season 3 DVDs in which Damon and Carlton are asked specifically about the "island-ness" of the island.

Damon Lindelof: If an Island is defined by land mass surrounded by water, they are on an Island.
Carlton Cuse: Right. That’s good.
Damon Lindelof: Right.
Carlton Cuse: Yeah. I don’t think we should say anything more than that.
Damon Lindelof: Yes. That’s how that’s...
Carlton Cuse: That’s right.
Damon Lindelof: This is about definitive answers. We have defined the term Island and we’ve confirmed that we are in fact on one.
Carlton Cuse: And it's surrounded by water.
Damon Lindelof: It is.
Carlton Cuse: But everything beyond that is kind of up for grabs.

So the island is potentially not connected to anything and could therefore be moved. Some people are speculating that the eventual destination for the island is somewhere in the arctic, because of Hurley's drawing of an igloo and Ben breathing out crystalized air when he appears in Tunisia wearing a parka.

What a great show....

That is an interesting point. Perhaps Locke saved the island but the island has been severely damaged in the process and now they went back in time so they could do this all over again but this time with Locke knowing how to save the island so all the misshaps that happened along the way won't happen again. Groundhog day type stuff.

We know what the smoke monster is, it corrects discrepancies in the time continuum. You can't be two places at once or dead and alive at the same time. But it is possible that some of the Losties are actually dead and sooner or later that smoke monster will take them to their permanent grave. Perhaps there were only 6 or 8 survivors, Claire by default would have to be one of the survivors but not one of the 6. Maybe she dies in child birth.....

Anyway, back to Richard. If the island is moveable and he appears to be some type of ageless steward of the island, there's no chance that this island is some type of device from space that is indeed moveable with its own magnetic power source and cloaking device and they will play an alien angle on this is there? Lord I hope not.

[ehh]

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I'm reading random stuff online about the show cause I can't get it out of my head and another thing came to my attention again - what the hell happened to Mikhail after the S3 finale?

I guess he just swam back to shore and joined The Others at the The Temple? BTW, if Ben knows an impending war is about to happen, wouldn't he summon the remaining Others for help?

[TheLetterZ]

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I'm reading random stuff online about the show cause I can't get it out of my head and another thing came to my attention again - what the hell happened to Mikhail after the S3 finale?

I guess he just swam back to shore and joined The Others at the The Temple? BTW, if Ben knows an impending war is about to happen, wouldn't he summon the remaining Others for help?

You don't think the grenade killed him?

[ehh]

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You don't think the grenade killed him?

Ha, well if a spear through his heart didn't kill him I don't think a grenade would.

[TheLetterZ]

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If Skerik can bring up DVD: Extras on here, I guess podcasts are fair game.

Lindenof has confirmed multiple times that Mikhail was killed by the grenade.

[Double Eights]

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Why would Mikhail want to kill himself?

I figured he just dropped the grenade off and swam away.

[Leon]

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Why would Mikhail want to kill himself?

I figured he just dropped the grenade off and swam away.

'Cause he's crazy like that.

If you watch that scene again, Mikhail pulled the pin and shortly after, the grenade exploded. We didn't see him swim away, we saw the grenade explode while he still had it in his hand. To be more accurate, he pulled the pin, pushed back off the glass bit, then it exploded while it was still in his hand.

[CMH]

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Some people are speculating that the eventual destination for the island is somewhere in the arctic, because of Hurley's drawing of an igloo and Ben breathing out crystalized air when he appears in Tunisia wearing a parka.

Well, that's just genius. Imagine that if it were right.

The only thing I will bring up for consideration is the station at the end of Season 2.

It was notably in an artic setting. There's a possibility that either the Island is already actually near an artic setting (see: Polar Bears) and just seems to be in a warm climate, was once in an artic setting (see again: Polar Bears), or will be in one.

Things are connecting but they are still all over the place. I really do believe that when people watch the end of Lost they will see that since Episode One the producers knew all along what was going to happen. None of this "made it up as they go" crap is happening. That station at the end of Season 2, it's location, it's reasons for locating the anomoly, all have a purpose.

[CMH]

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We know what the smoke monster is, it corrects discrepancies in the time continuum.

That's a stretch. No one knows what the smoke monster is. Everything is just a theory.

I'm not sure where you got this information from. Care to share?

[ASB37]

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I really do believe that when people watch the end of Lost they will see that since Episode One the producers knew all along what was going to happen.

I feel the same way...it's almost like the in S3 and S4 the producers are trying to get us to think that they have deviated from the original story line, only to shock us again by bringing it in and tying it all together in the final seasons. Of course with lost you never know and this could be completely wrong, but the producers have a really tough job of being able to have all of this craziness make sense somehow, while still blowing the audiences mind, let's just hope they can keep it up.